Thor vs Hulk- Brute strength

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I agree with the latter part of your statement, and no, it does not actually have to be a literal one million suns' worth of power. I am just trying to refute carvers' assessment that just because it is stated in a characters' narration, that it does not actually make it so.

Its the same logic I use to downplay the Zom that faced the Hulk.

Here's what I am trying to say.

In the HotM storyline, the Hulk mowed through his opponents' left, right and centre. Nobody argues with that. He's legitimately more powerful.

In the Fear Itself Uncanny X-men tie-in, Kuurth mowed through everything Cyclops threw at him, and it was a clear display of his power.

In the Hulk vs Dracula storyline, however, even though the vampires state that the Hulk is much more powerful than he has ever been (or words to that effect), what we actually saw of Nuul-Hulk contradicts this. So, I am actually with carver, in that this Nuul-Hulk was weaker than the GammaFather. Using the same logic (character narration vs what is actually being shown on panel), the Sentry that fought WWH wasn't all that powerful.

Carver believes Nul was not as powerful as WWH (correct me if i'm wrong Carv), if by Gammafather you mean World Beaker, it was never stated Nul was more powerful than that level and going by feats he certainly wasn't.

What was shown on panel was Sentry unloading more power than he ever has done, he reverted Hulk back to human form no one has ever done this by beating on Hulk to my knowledge, that in itself should show you how powerful Sentry was.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Carver believes Nul was not as powerful as WWH (correct me if i'm wrong Carv), if by Gammafather you mean World Beaker, it was never stated he was more powerful than that level and going by feats he certainly wasn't.

What was shown on panel was Sentry unloading more power than he ever has done, he reverted Hulk back to human form no one has ever done this by beating on Hulk to my knowledge, that in itself should show you how powerful Sentry was.

You are on point.

As for your last statement, I agree, no one has ever made Hulk revert back to Banner before, not even Zom Strange or Zeus after the beating he gave Hulk. That should tell you the amount of power Sentry was unleashing.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Thor would have died against Void worse than what Savage Hulk went through if Void pressed his attack. Thor was helpless during this scene... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/thorsentry1.jpg/ ... Coughing up blood. Void let Thor go to lay waste to Asgard.

I will get the scan where it was stated the planet was in jeopardy.

One sec.

Are you basing that on something? And what makes you think the Void wasn't pressing his attacks against Thor?

Yea, the Void was extremely powerful, despite that though, Thor was able to hold him at bay solo and was driving him back but that's no surprise, the Odinson has always been far more powerful than Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
This wasn't the only time it was referenced during the fight.

Here is the first. It was stated again as well during this fight.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh017.jpg

That's not what you said but with you if a scene even resembles the description, it's a win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it shows a writer's opinion of a lower end sentry in comparison to a higher end Hulk. Sentry has fared better against the baddest Hulk up to that point that Thor has ever taken on solo which is relevant.

Siege.

The Void was working through the Sentry MM showing so if you want to stick to non Siege feats that's his absolute best which is beyond Thor.

Of course it's relevant, but using that logic as the only reason for him being beyond Thor....well it's flawed. Fortunately you realize it goes both ways, hence the backtracking. Might as well argue Thor would one shot the Sentry.

What about Siege lead you believe that Sentry was above Thor? The Void I can understand, but the Sentry persona? Crazy talk.

Why would you stick to strictly non Siege feats, and that was a Void influenced Sentry. There's a noticeably difference in power between the Sentry, a Void influenced Sentry, and a manifested Void which Siege illustrated.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think that Sentry was generating a million suns worth of power but if Thor statement of generating a tornado that had enough power of a thousand tornados is a valid statement to use than Sentry power output statement is just as valid.

Nul...I agree with your stance on that.

I don't see how. One is a statement by the narrator, one is a statement by a character who's guessing.

It sounds like you're basically saying "If Sentry can't have it, Thor can't have it either".

Which is kind of petty, tbh.

^To be fair it was 2 characters.. Reed says something like "Sentry is cutting loose for the first time"

The Thing saying "a million exploding stars" just seemed like he was agreeing Sentry is going all out. The "million exploding stars" has always been attributed to his full power but is probably more a metaphorical statement imo.

In terms of power output though we've seen more from Thor. More than just statements.

As for this fight, without Hulk's healing power I give it to Thor. Better fighter, plus he's always been able to take severe beatings from Savage Hulk, and always get back up. His damage soak is huge! So without Hulk's HF, Thor's damage soak is gna win him the fight imo.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^To be fair it was 2 characters.. Reed says something like "Sentry is cutting loose for the first time"

The Thing saying "a million exploding stars" just seemed like he was agreeing Sentry is going all out. The "million exploding stars" has always been attributed to his full power but is probably more a metaphorical statement imo.

In terms of power output though we've seen more from Thor. More than just statements.

As for this fight, without Hulk's healing power I give it to Thor. Better fighter, plus he's always been able to take severe beatings from Savage Hulk, and always get back up. His damage soak is huge! So without Hulk's HF, Thor's damage soak is gna win him the fight imo.

I just disagree with both instances being given equal value, is all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odinson has always been far more powerful than Hulk.

That's not what you said, but with you if a scene even resembles the description, it's a win.

What? You aren't basing that off of head to heads I'm guessing?

😂 And by resembles you mean at least getting the characters right.

The entire problem with this thread is that it's full of shit. The moment that the Hulks strength raises above Thor's he auto looses... How long is this farce going to continue? This thread seems to be a way for Thoraniacs to pull they're d@cks out and dance around the fact, that a scenario like this would never happen.

I think its a boost to Hulk fans actually. It means that Hulk is supreme in physical beat downs, and for it to be a fair fight, the Hulk needs to be handicapped....

Originally posted by Stoic
The entire problem with this thread is that it's full of shit. The moment that the Hulks strength raises above Thor's he auto looses... How long is this farce going to continue? This thread seems to be a way for Thoraniacs to pull they're d@cks out and dance around the fact, that a scenario like this would never happen.

also lol at hulk's healing factor having anything to do with how much damage he's dishing out to thor........who also doesn't have a healing factor. somehow it only applies to the hulk

Originally posted by Stoic
The entire problem with this thread is that it's full of shit. The moment that the Hulks strength raises above Thor's he auto looses... How long is this farce going to continue? This thread seems to be a way for Thoraniacs to pull they're d@cks out and dance around the fact, that a scenario like this would never happen.

😂

Originally posted by psycho gundam

also lol at hulk's healing factor having anything to do with how much damage he's dishing out to thor........who also doesn't have a healing factor. somehow it only applies to the hulk

i never thought i'd see a man u gif on this forum...

CIS on the Hulk would never ramp up as high as he did in the Dark Dimension against a champion like Thor. Notice who he put the boot to. A Despotic Ruler, a Cyborg, a Greater Demon possessed hairball, and leagues of demons.

As far as the thread goes, I honestly think Hulk wins. His ability to amp his strength should put him above Thor, and potentially anyone, but using his fight against Sentry as some sort of benchmark is retarded imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
As far as the thread goes, I honestly think Hulk wins. His ability to amp his strength should put him above Thor, and potentially anyone, but using his fight against Sentry as some sort of benchmark is retarded imo.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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I also think that in any physical fight, nobody is going to push Hulk as far as Thor would, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I also think that in any physical fight, nobody is going to push Hulk as far as Thor would, though.

Yeah, both of their egos would likely fuel the fight dragging out.

Originally posted by Stoic
The entire problem with this thread is that it's full of shit. The moment that the Hulks strength raises above Thor's he auto looses... How long is this farce going to continue? This thread seems to be a way for Thoraniacs to pull they're d@cks out and dance around the fact, that a scenario like this would never happen.

Whoa. Stoic puttin the smash down on the whole thread. Got tired of being diplomatic I see 😂

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, both of their egos would likely fuel the fight dragging out.

That, and I just don't see anyone lasting as long against Hulk as Thor would.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That, and I just don't see anyone lasting as long against Hulk as Thor would.

Not even Kal?