Originally posted by Nephthys
He only noticed it when it was a few meters away. He was too busy chuckling up a storm. Or maybe he just thought it was easier to just jump out the way.
Point being, Yoda stopped a pod coming downwards at a considerable speed. Sidious with equal timing was unable to replicate the feat on a pod moving slower against gravity. Yoda's ability to stop the pod took literally one second.
Also to clarify on my earlier post, I'm including Clone Wars feats as well.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, the pods made active sounds because they were being manipulated via the antigrav controls when Sidious was using them. Just turn the volume up.
I did and the sound is present even when Yoda hurls the pod back.
From 0:31 to 0:42, the antigravity functions remain audible. With that in mind, Yoda's feat is a lot less impressive.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
I did and the sound is present even when Yoda hurls the pod back.From 0:31 to 0:42, the antigravity functions remain audible. With that in mind, Yoda's feat is a lot less impressive.
HD videos are always good to use.
The audible "whirling" sound is more pronounced when Sidious is sending forth pods than when Yoda is sending his back. If you watch from 0:26 - 0:29 or so, the sound of the pod whirling stops dead when Yoda raises his hands, and it continues to be markedly less pronounced than when Sidious is using the pods. In fact, when it whips up around the Sith Lord, the sound of the pod rotating in a circle is much louder.
The point being that Sidious is not superior because of "superior TK" as has been argued previously; that title still belongs to Yoda. Even if you assume that Yoda is manipulating the pod the same way (which is odd given that he had the power to dead-stop it and then he put it into a spinning motion) the point remains that Sidious did not even consider stopping it. He jumped to the side immediately.
So if you're comparing Yoda to Sidious in TK alone, Yoda's feat is superior because of:
- His dead-stop.
- The fact that Sidious refused to attempt to dead-stop something else moving upwards as opposed to downwards.
If you argue thusly:
- Whirling sound, therefore there is some anti-grav in effect. Yoda added the spin and relied on the antigrav to carry the pod up.
Then you must also admit this:
- The speed of the descending pod which Yoda dead-stopped was faster than the one Yoda sent upwards which Sidious immediately fled before.
In either case, my point stands
Excuse the delay; you'd be surprised at how little one can find on Star Wars senate platforms and there repulsorlifts.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
HD videos are always good to use.The audible "whirling" sound is more pronounced when Sidious is sending forth pods than when Yoda is sending his back. If you watch from 0:26 - 0:29 or so, the sound of the pod whirling stops dead when Yoda raises his hands, and it continues to be markedly less pronounced than when Sidious is using the pods. In fact, when it whips up around the Sith Lord, the sound of the pod rotating in a circle is much louder.
Because the thrum stops entirely when Yoda halts the pod, I presume that the noise is meant to dictate the pod's speed {i.e. the quicker the thrum, the faster the pod is moving}.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The point being that Sidious is not superior because of "superior TK" as has been argued previously; that title still belongs to Yoda. Even if you assume that Yoda is manipulating the pod the same way (which is odd given that he had the power to dead-stop it and then he put it into a spinning motion)
I'm not sure how it would be odd to assume. The antigrav systems {if that is indeed what that noise is and not, say, extraneous sound intended to enhance the epic feel of the scene} are audible even when Yoda is manipulating the pod and while the thrum is slower than when Palpatine threw it, I would argue it is just as loud, if not louder as it approaches him.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
the point remains that Sidious did not even consider stopping it. He jumped to the side immediately.
Your argument in favor of Yoda's superiority is contingent on the idea that Palpatine was incapable of stopping the slower pod {I agree that the pod was slower returning to Sidious than it was leaving him}. But I submit that his evasion of it isn't necessarily indicative of incapability.
I just say Yoda is greater in Force due to the 'Lightning exchange.'
Yoda landed on the edge of the repulsorpod, in a precarious position when he was blasted with the Sidious's Force Storm. Yet still, he was able to catch it bare-handed, gather its energy, and redirect it upon the Dark Lord (had he not been smaller and at the ledge, he wouldn't have fallen; not to mention, Sidious smack in the middle of the pod, where he had a much greater chance of holding onto the pod).
I'd say that that would be a more convincing argument in favor of Yoda's superiority in the Force than the argument with the pods; if the antigrav systems were functional, Sidious had to overwhelm them in order to force the pods down.
But even then I'm not sure that it's meant to be interpreted that way, given that into 2011 the supplement material dictates Yoda was outmatched in that final struggle.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
Excuse the delay; you'd be surprised at how little one can find on Star Wars senate platforms and there repulsorlifts.
I understand this very well. No worries.
Because the thrum stops entirely when Yoda halts the pod, I presume that the noise is meant to dictate the pod's speed {i.e. the quicker the thrum, the faster the pod is moving}.
It's true that the thrumming increases as the pod increases in velocity. This is directly tied to the argument that the thrum means the antigrav is in effect. Before this scene, you see Sidious wrench free multiple pods and raise them slightly before sending them forward. As the pods ascend, the thrumming grows in intensity and remains that way as they streak down at Yoda and well past him in some cases.
In the scene where Yoda stops one, the thrumming drops to almost nothing immediately. You can conceivably draw two conclusions from this:
- Yoda overcame the antigrav and is holding the pod in a TK grip.
- The antigrav recognized that its movement was restricted by the TK and stopped itself from resisting. This is ludicrous and unable to be substantiated.
So the logical thing to assume here is that Yoda stopped the pod dead, antigrav and all, with his telekinesis. In a heartbeat.
I'm not sure how it would be odd to assume. The antigrav systems {if that is indeed what that noise is and not, say, extraneous sound intended to enhance the epic feel of the scene} are audible even when Yoda is manipulating the pod and while the thrum is slower than when Palpatine threw it, I would argue it is just as loud, if not louder as it approaches him.
The whirling sound still comes from the pod underneath, but its tempo slow and it is barely audible. Again, if the volume and tempo of the pod is indicative of its antigrav exerting effort (a logical conclusion) then Yoda's pod delivered little to no effort at all to aid his TK versus Sidious' demonstration.
Also, I'm not sure how you're hearing it as louder when it's coming towards Sidious in this scene. I'm wearing headphones, with the sound up on "painful", and I cannot detect much above a trace of the whirl above the overwhelming sound of the rotation Yoda put on the pod.
Your argument in favor of Yoda's superiority is contingent on the idea that Palpatine was incapable of stopping the slower pod {I agree that the pod was slower returning to Sidious than it was leaving him}. But I submit that his evasion of it isn't necessarily indicative of incapability.
That's stretching the evidence to support your conclusion though. It is entirely possible that Sidious could replicate the feat. it is entirely possible Dooku or Obi-Wan or Anakin could replicate the feat. But without canon evidence to demonstrate those facts, the arguments must rely on what is empirical, not just conjecture.
Let's break this down:
1. You're a big bad Sith Lord. You've murdered a few top level Jedi with relative ease.
2. You believe you've planned for every eventuality, but Yoda, the most powerful Jedi alive, comes knocking at your door.
3. You engage in a saber fight in which you lose your blade and are forced to retreat.
4. From a position of height and advantage, you rain down senatorial pods as Yoda struggles for a means to counter attack.
5. You are well aware of your own limitations and powers in the realm of the Force, having studied it in secret for decades.
6. Yoda sends a pod back at you at a slower velocity. You want to demonstrate superiority and win this fight. What do you do?
A. Throw the pod back with disdainful ease.
B. Throw it aside and rain lightning down on him.
C. Run away because you know you can't defeat him in a matched contest of Force TK strength.
How else am I to take the available evidence?
I'd say that that would be a more convincing argument in favor of Yoda's superiority in the Force than the argument with the pods; if the antigrav systems were functional, Sidious had to overwhelm them in order to force the pods down.
The pods are able to move in any direction. If Sidious is manipulating the controls, then it's very likely he can just send them blazing forward in whatever direction he likes with a small push. Also, unlike Yoda he is intimately familiar with the pods and their abilities.
But even then I'm not sure that it's meant to be interpreted that way, given that into 2011 the supplement material dictates Yoda was outmatched in that final struggle.
Given that analysis of supplemental material is less open to discussion than the highest canon material available, I don't see the point of bringing this up. If you intend to hold all viewpoints of Lucasfilms' handbook brigade as absolute and binding and disregard the movies, your HD video clip is irrelevant to the discussion.
For the sake of both brevity and sanity, I'd like to keep this somewhat concise. If I fail to address something you regard as a major point, just let me know.
SM
So the logical thing to assume here is that Yoda stopped the pod dead, antigrav and all, with his telekinesis. In a heartbeat.
I'm not necessarily contesting this; it's perfectly believable that Yoda is powerful enough to overcome the platform's antigrav systems in order to keep it somewhat immobile. {After all, Sidious would have had to overwhelm the systems in order to throw it down at Yoda to begin with.}
My point, though, is that when the time comes to hurl the pod back, the sound you identify as the functioning antigrav systems is audible and therefore assisting Yoda in his endeavor. Unless I misread you, you're suggesting that he somehow shut them off; why would he do that? That would only make the task harder and he's not exactly in a position to recklessly expend vital energy {Sidious is already in a position to press his advantage with Yoda occupied with the pod}. Additionally, I see no reason for the antigrav systems to not lend significant assistance when their explicit function is to make the platforms levitate.
SM
That's stretching the evidence to support your conclusion though. It is entirely possible that Sidious could replicate the feat. it is entirely possible Dooku or Obi-Wan or Anakin could replicate the feat. But without canon evidence to demonstrate those facts, the arguments must rely on what is empirical, not just conjecture.
We know based on Dooku's EU and television feats that he is an incredibly powerful telekinetic; telekinesis is arguably the most central ability of Force users. Lucas, Filoni, and Dooku himself have made it emphatically clear that Sidious is more powerful than the Count. If Dooku is able to casually lift a plethora of massive stone monoliths simultaneously during the Savage Opress arc, and Sidious is more powerful than him, why would we assume that he would be incapable of stopping a Senate platform? It seems unreasonable to me that you would suggest him to be incapable of such a feat, when the evidence {through feats and quotes} indicates that he is more than capable of it.
SM
A. Throw the pod back with disdainful ease.B. Throw it aside and rain lightning down on him.
C. Run away because you know you can't defeat him in a matched contest of Force TK strength.
How else am I to take the available evidence?
Sidious was in a position of decisive advantage over Yoda in at least two occasions and didn't capitalize on it: once when Yoda was unconscious and then when Yoda was dealing with the final pod. Both times, he opted to gloat or cackle rather than exploit his superior position. Are we to assume, then, that because he didn't, he couldn't?
Perhaps Sidious opted to evade the pod and leap aside because he sought an even more decisive advantage? After all, the second Sidious touches down in his new pod, Yoda has seemingly vanished-- perhaps Sidious evaded the pod rather than stop it in order to deal with Yoda's inevitable attack?
SM
The pods are able to move in any direction. If Sidious is manipulating the controls, then it's very likely he can just send them blazing forward in whatever direction he likes with a small push. Also, unlike Yoda he is intimately familiar with the pods and their abilities.
I see no evidence to indicate that Sidious is manipulating the controls.
SM
Given that analysis of supplemental material is less open to discussion than the highest canon material available, I don't see the point of bringing this up. If you intend to hold all viewpoints of Lucasfilms' handbook brigade as absolute and binding and disregard the movies, your HD video clip is irrelevant to the discussion.
My point is that these various authors and writers employed by LucasFilm have interpreted the scene from the film to depict Palpatine's superiority, even six years after its release. Why should what you or I interpret supercede what they do?
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
We know based on Dooku's EU and television feats that he is an incredibly powerful telekinetic; telekinesis is arguably the most central ability of Force users. Lucas, Filoni, and Dooku himself have made it emphatically clear that Sidious is more powerful than the Count. If Dooku is able to casually lift a plethora of massive stone monoliths simultaneously during the Savage Opress arc, and Sidious is more powerful than him, why would we assume that he would be incapable of stopping a Senate platform?
Good point.
Another impressive Force showing from the Count.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Is he?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Here we can see Anakin tear apart droids with his bare hands:
Darth Malgus charges towards the Starship engine, hits it, tears through it, and tolerates that explosion:
Not enough?
Malgus tolerates direct hits of rocket propelled grenades and powerful explosions:
Originally posted by Nephthys
And here we can see Dooku blocking both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time one handed:
During 2:27 - 2:29, Malgus uses one hand to grab the neck of a Jedi, lifts him up from the ground, and breaks his neck, and he uses other hand to cut down another Jedi with his lightsaber simultaneously.
And we all know that how that duel ended for Count Dooku. Anakin alone overpowered him with overwhelming strikes when he was enraged. Malgus gets enraged too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Here (3.37) we can see Grievous punch a dent in a Starship hull:sSlksBVfVkQ&feature=related
Originally posted by Nephthys
And here we can see Dooku treat Grievous like a broken-armed child:
Malgus send a powerful Jedi Master packing with a single kick:
And then Malgus force pushed the Jedi Master so hard that he hit the wall with such a force that he broke through it (like a cyborg) and landed on the other side in humiliating manner;
The Jedi Master himself was very strong. However, he was no match for Malgus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
BTW, here is the RotS description of Grievous:'The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan-but he didn't have to.'
Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres also a matter of Yoda carrying a house-sized gun on his back in Clone Wars volume 3 (comic). But even I'm iffy on that one.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Dooku cannot? Remember that Dooku engaged in a Force duel with Yoda and stalemated. The same Yoda who would go on to Force Push hundreds of battle droids off a bridge and telekintically own 2 tank carrier transport ships in the Battle of Corescant.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or Dooku could dance around his lightsaber like he did with Oppress.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't underestimate Asajj. Shes pretty hardcore.Watch as she telekinetically owns some Clone Troopers in hysterically over the top fashion:
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(3.00 onwards)
Ok, I have to admit, that scene is way too funny. haermm
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Also she displays impressive abilities here. Illusionment, Speed, Telekinesis, its all good stuff. She's also Force Crushed a Jedi Masters heart and animated corpses in the comics. And Force Choked Anakin and Kenobi at the same time in the CGI cartoon.
I admit, she is impressive. However, not in the league of Malgus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Good point.Another impressive Force showing from the Count.
However;
Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.
The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.
Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.
Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.
He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
I agree with what you posted Neph
Count Dooku will put up a decent fight but he will go down against Malgus.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Yoda wasn't bothering going on the offensive in the Force against Dooku. He was just blocking. If he had decided to go all out, Dooku would have definitely lost then and there. It was Dooku who just prematurely claimed his Force might was on level with Yoda's and decided to move onto sabers.Yoda won the 'Force exchange' against Sidious in ROTS, who is surely stronger in the Force than Dooku.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Big deal?Darth Malgus charges towards the Starship engine, hits it, tears through it, and tolerates that explosion:
Um................... so? 😬
That..... isn't a feat of strength for him. He just jumped at it with his lightsaber held out in front of him. Look, you can see it more clearly here. Besides, he's wearing armor, which no doubt protected him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not enough?Malgus tolerates direct hits of rocket propelled grenades and powerful explosions:
Again, not a feat of strength. Malgus' armor protected him. Plus, this is where his face gets damaged.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Check this video:During 2:27 - 2:29, Malgus uses one hand to grab the neck of a Jedi, lifts him up from the ground, and breaks his neck, and he uses other hand to cut down another Jedi with his lightsaber [B]simultaneously
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The strength needed to lift a man/woman/alien one-handed is good I guess, but nowhere near that needed to rip (futuristic) metal apart with ones bare hands. Also he does not break the Jedi's neck. At least, not by anything I saw. And cutting someone down is not a strength feat either.
So Anakin is stronger.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And we all know that how that duel ended for Count Dooku. Anakin alone overpowered him with overwhelming strikes when he was enraged. Malgus gets enraged too.
Malgus does not have the unlimited power of Anakin Skywalker to call upon. In that fight Anakin tapped into his true potential, which as stated by George Lucas (iirc) was twice that of Darth Sidious, the man heralded and widely believed to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is a machine. Not surprised.
Nor am I.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku used the Force to manhandle Grievous. And that isn't a big deal. Obi-Wan also send Grievous packing with his Force push. Grievous has no defence against force attacks. Malgus will reduce him to spare parts.
Um, no, you seem to have missed the point. All throughout the duel we can see Dooku block Grievous' strikes easily one-handedly. Considering the cyborg has enough strength to dent hulls, that is extremely impressive, and speaks for the Count's Force-assisted strength.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus send a powerful Jedi Master packing with a single kick:
Quite impressive. But not enough to tip anything in in his favor. He'll need more than kicks to take down Dooku. Grievous was also able to kick Obi-Wan across a room and the Count still schooled him, as seen above.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And then Malgus force pushed the Jedi Master so hard that he hit the wall with such a force that he broke through it (like a cyborg) and landed on the other side in humiliating manner;The Jedi Master himself was very strong. However, he was no match for Malgus.
So?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Does not matters. Malgus has dominated powerful adversaries.
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It does not matter? The fact that Grievous is capable of moving far and away faster than any human being (including Malgus) in history does not matter? You yourself salivate over some random Siths lightsaber blurring and the fact that Grievous can move so fast his arms vanish from sight, imitating a quantum even Does. Not. Matter?
Bullshit. That Dooku was capable of treating an opponent with that level of speed, as well as the strength I provide above, like child with a wooden stick speaks wonders of his ability in lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He would be using the Force.
So? All Jedi use the Force to amplify their physical attributes.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It was not a stalemate. Dooku realized that he would not be able to hold Yoda much longer and distracted him by attempting to crush Anakin and Obi-Wan with a large object. Yoda decided to save the Jedi. Dooku is impressive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not privy to the Counts thoughts. So you cannot make assumptions about why he decided to withdraw.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But what Malgus accomplished in Aldeeran puts him above Dooku without second thoughts.
No it doesn't. That Malgus can survive the beating Satale gave him is impressive, but it won't allow him to survive a lightsaber stab.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What are the accomplishments of Oppress with lightsaber?
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And now for his fight against Dooku:
A very impressive showing from Dooku imo.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those cartoons are very funny. Thanks for sharing. 😄I admit, she is impressive. However, not in the league of Malgus.
Your welcome. You should watch them, they're great.
I would be inclined to agree with you. However, that Dooku was able to so effortlessly dominate her speaks of his power and abilities.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That is impressive.However;
Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.
The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.
[B]Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.
Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.
He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings.
A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged. [/B]
Malgus only supported 'several tons' of rubble. A quick look on Dictionary.com reveals that 'several' means 'Being of a number more than two or three but not many'. The weight of the pillars Dooku casually supported was likely dozens of tons, well above what Malgus accomplished.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus is stronger then Count Dooku. He is much more overwhelming then Anakin Skywalker.
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No he isn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Um................... so? 😬That..... isn't a feat of strength for him. He just jumped at it with his lightsaber held out in front of him. Look, you can see it more clearly here. Besides, he's wearing armor, which no doubt protected him.
Again, not a feat of strength. Malgus' armor protected him. Plus, this is where his face gets damaged.
The strength needed to lift a man/woman/alien one-handed is good I guess, but nowhere near that needed to rip (futuristic) metal apart with ones bare hands. Also he does not break the Jedi's neck. At least, not by anything I saw. And cutting someone down is not a strength feat either.
So Anakin is stronger.
Malgus does not have the unlimited power of Anakin Skywalker to call upon. In that fight Anakin tapped into his true potential, which as stated by George Lucas (iirc) was twice that of Darth Sidious, the man heralded and widely believed to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
Nor am I.
Um, no, you seem to have missed the point. All throughout the duel we can see Dooku block Grievous' strikes easily [b]one-handedly.
Considering the cyborg has enough strength to dent hulls, that is extremely impressive, and speaks for the Count's Force-assisted strength.Quite impressive. But not enough to tip anything in in his favor. He'll need more than kicks to take down Dooku. Grievous was also able to kick Obi-Wan across a room and the Count still schooled him, as seen above.
So?
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It does not matter? The fact that Grievous is capable of moving far and away faster than any human being (including Malgus) in history does not matter? You yourself salivate over some random Siths lightsaber blurring and the fact that Grievous can move so fast his arms vanish from sight, imitating a quantum even Does. Not. Matter?
Bullshit. That Dooku was capable of treating an opponent with that level of speed, as well as the strength I provide above, like child with a wooden stick speaks wonders of his ability in lightsaber combat.
So? All Jedi use the Force to amplify their physical attributes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not privy to the Counts thoughts. So you cannot make assumptions about why he decided to withdraw.
No it doesn't. That Malgus can survive the beating Satale gave him is impressive, but it won't allow him to survive a lightsaber stab.
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And now for his fight against Dooku:
A very impressive showing from Dooku imo.
Your welcome. You should watch them, they're great.
I would be inclined to agree with you. However, that Dooku was able to so effortlessly dominate her speaks of his power and abilities.
Malgus only supported 'several tons' of rubble. A quick look on Dictionary.com reveals that 'several' means 'Being of a number more than two or three but not many'. The weight of the pillars Dooku casually supported was likely dozens of tons, well above what Malgus accomplished.
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No he isn't. [/B]
Nice...
LeGend can't even prove how Malgus will be able to overcome Count Dooku, and yet he continues to argue that he can be compared to Darth Bane. Yeah, there's no way in hell