Darth Malgus vs Count Dooku

Started by Borbarad8 pages

Sorry for my interference here, but I simple have to participate in this:

Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
I'm not necessarily contesting this; it's perfectly believable that Yoda is powerful enough to overcome the platform's antigrav systems in order to keep it somewhat immobile. {After all, Sidious would have had to overwhelm the systems in order to throw it down at Yoda to begin with.}

My point, though, is that when the time comes to hurl the pod back, the sound you identify as the functioning antigrav systems is audible and therefore assisting Yoda in his endeavor. Unless I misread you, you're suggesting that he somehow shut them off; why would he do that? That would only make the task harder and he's not exactly in a position to recklessly expend vital energy {Sidious is already in a position to press his advantage with Yoda occupied with the pod}. Additionally, I see no reason for the antigrav systems to not lend significant assistance when their explicit function is to make the platforms levitate.

I'm rather certain, you are both not getting the point of antigravity devices. As the name "antigravity" already suggests, those things are designed to counter gravity - nothing more. So why should they work against or for either Sidious or Yoda?

Technically, they just have to prevent, that the pods are affected by gravity (hence "antigravity"😉, but force pushs or pulls, regardless in which direction they are aimed, would not benefit from this, since the pods wouldn't provide any force to aid / counter those force powers utilized against them, as those forces are not gravity.

That being said, I completely disagree with the theory of the sounds being generated by the antigrav devices (holy shit...imagine that annoyingly humming sound when all damn Senate pods would be floating through the air), which doesn't mean that they weren't active. I see this as a general indicator of the pods moving through the air - the faster they move, the louder the sound becomes. I haven't noticed any similar sound (in volume) during the various other Senate scene we saw in the Trilogy. But maybe somebody wants to check that.

We know based on Dooku's EU and television feats that he is an incredibly powerful telekinetic; telekinesis is arguably the most central ability of Force users. Lucas, Filoni, and Dooku himself have made it emphatically clear that Sidious is more powerful than the Count. If Dooku is able to casually lift a plethora of massive stone monoliths simultaneously during the Savage Opress arc, and Sidious is more powerful than him, why would we assume that he would be incapable of stopping a Senate platform?

Since when does "more powerful" as a general statement mean "superior in every single aspect of force use"? It is very well possible, that Dooku - either through a special talent or extensive training - has developed power in the field of telekinesis that topple those of his Sith master. I'm not saying that this is or must be the case...just saying that it could be possible.

If Dooku is able to casually lift a plethora of massive stone monoliths simultaneously during the Savage Opress arc, and Sidious is more powerful than him, why would we assume that he would be incapable of stopping a Senate platform? It seems unreasonable to me that you would suggest him to be incapable of such a feat, when the evidence {through feats and quotes} indicates that he is more than capable of it.

I think, Sidious was unable to stop that pod in that selected situation. Why?
The answer is rather simple: In addition to the momentum of the pod thrown at him, Sidious had to consider the possibility, that Yoda would keep pushing that pod. So stopping it would have meant to risk a direct test of powers with the Jedi Master who could have benefited from the fact, that he had already thrown an object in Sidious direction and just would have needed to add some more power to it to speed it up an - as final result - crush the Sith Lord with it.


My point is that these various authors and writers employed by LucasFilm have interpreted the scene from the film to depict Palpatine's superiority, even six years after its release. Why should what you or I interpret supercede what they do?

Do you seriously believe this?
I'm rather sure you're giving those authors far too much credit. They had an authorized interpretation of the scene in form of the RotS novel - so why do the already done work once again? Any statement refering to that particular scene, uses the same wording that is utilized in the RotS novel. Coincidence? Hardly. I can site several examples, which demonstrate clearly, that SW authors are rather good with the C&P.

Just for example: The description of Ragnos having "tremendous physical strength and a frightening grasp on the Dark Side" made it from Kreia's mouth right into the New Essential Chronology and can also be found in The Essential Guide through the Force. I don't think that three authors examined the source material on Ragnos and then came to the exact same conclusion with the exact same wording...

And the same is probably the case for the "interpretations" of the scene in RotS, which are all based on a early version of the script that doesn't necessarily represent what happens in the final version of the (movie) canon.

Borbarad
I haven't noticed any similar sound (in volume) during the various other Senate scene we saw in the Trilogy. But maybe somebody wants to check that.

I recall that similar noises were heard during the Senate scene in The Phantom Menace, but that might have been from the camera droids.

Borbarad
Since when does "more powerful" as a general statement mean "superior in every single aspect of force use"? It is very well possible, that Dooku - either through a special talent or extensive training - has developed power in the field of telekinesis that topple those of his Sith master. I'm not saying that this is or must be the case...just saying that it could be possible.

Telekinesis is arguably the most common and visible {as funny as that sounds} manifestation of Force power. If the Count's telekinetic powers eclipsed Palpatine's, I don't imagine that Dooku would feel particularly threatened by Sidious nor do I imagine that the authorities at LucasFilm would be so emphatic about Palpatine's superiority.

Borbarad
I think, Sidious was unable to stop that pod in that selected situation. Why?
The answer is rather simple: In addition to the momentum of the pod thrown at him, Sidious had to consider the possibility, that Yoda would keep pushing that pod. So stopping it would have meant to risk a direct test of powers with the Jedi Master who could have benefited from the fact, that he had already thrown an object in Sidious direction and just would have needed to add some more power to it to speed it up an - as final result - crush the Sith Lord with it.

Perhaps. I haven't personally ruled out the idea that Sidious couldn't stop it, I just found it unlikely.

Borbarad
Do you seriously believe this?

I do.
I'm not sure your example with Ragnos is appropriate, for a number of reasons. First, the source material in question is infinitely more popular and canonically more important than KotOR II. Likewise the characters involved are more popular and canonically more important than Ragnos, who isn't a high profile character even in the EU. Third, the near identical wording of the descriptions of Ragnos contrast with the varied and different descriptions of the duel between Yoda and Sidious.

It is unreasonable to assume that these authors, six years after the fact, only deal with an unrevised script.

LeGend can't even prove how Malgus will be able to overcome Count Dooku, and yet he continues to argue that he can be compared to Darth Bane. Yeah, there's no way in hell

Neither one of you have proven how Dooku would overcome a force beast like Malgus, other than posting the same crap ad infinitum. If dooku wins, it will be with a saber..

Malgus' Force beastly status has yet to be verified I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus' Force beastly status has yet to be verified I'm afraid.
If that were the case, then your argument would be "dooku wins because he has more feats to his name"? Lol

Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
Neither one of you have proven how Dooku would overcome a force beast like Malgus, other than posting the same crap ad infinitum. If dooku wins, it will be with a saber..
*COUGH Dooku is sexy and he knows it COUGH*

Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
If that were the case, then your argument would be "dooku wins because he has more feats to his name"? Lol

No, not really.

Dooku has more feats than Abeloth or Nihilus, yet both are obvious Force Titans. If Malgus was really so fantastical then his superiority would be undeniable.

And yet..... I deny! abcmwahaha

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not really.

Dooku has more feats than Abeloth or Nihilus, yet both are obvious Force Titans. If Malgus was really so fantastical then his superiority would be undeniable.

And yet..... I deny! abcmwahaha

Lol so is zon3akin better than Abeloth and Nihilus

Originally posted by Nephthys
so how strong is zone

Um.....

mmm

........ Well he was strong enough to pretty much take out Dooku whenever he wanted at he end, which even Yoda wasn't able to do. But Dooku was heavily fatigued and drained by that point, which no doubt factored in, especially as Anakin was just getting stronger.

I'd hazard a guess that he's around Yoda's level, but the description of him just getting stronger and stronger as the fight went on is really unique. So its hard to say.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um................... so? 😬

That..... isn't a feat of strength for him.


He augmented his strength with the Force before he made that move. You think that it is easy to carve your way through heavy machinery like that? Continue to read below.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He just jumped at it with his lightsaber held out in front of him.

Lightsabers do not cut through starship parts like knife through butter with minor effort. Impressive strength is required to cut through such heavy machinery. And Malgus was not hacking and slashing.

Here is another analogy; you have a saw in your hand that is lethal enough to cut through heavy wood. However, your physical strength would determine that how fast you cut through it.

Get the point?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Look, you can see it more clearly here. Besides, he's wearing armor, which no doubt protected him.

There is a limit to protection of body armor. If body armor is enough withstand powerful explosions, then how come heavily armored Tanks and Droids get destroyed by them? The energy and heat that such explosions release are enormous. Again, you are not making any sense.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, not a feat of strength. Malgus' armor protected him. Plus, this is where his face gets damaged.

Sometimes I wonder if I am arguing with a kid. If body armor can protect you from missiles and rocket propelled grenades, who needs Tanks and gigantic Droids in battles? Use your brain. Malgus himself was physically very strong. Now show me comparable example from Anakin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The strength needed to lift a man/woman/alien one-handed is good I guess,

You guess? Try it youself, genius. You need a cyborg to do that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
but nowhere near that needed to rip (futuristic) metal apart with ones bare hands.

Anakin would be augmenting his strength with the Force. Jedi gets superhuman capabilities from the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also he does not break the Jedi's neck.

The Jedi is pretty much immobilized.

Originally posted by Nephthys
At least, not by anything I saw. And cutting someone down is not a strength feat either.

Try lifting a man with one hand and use your sword against other to strike him down simultaneously. Then come back.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So Anakin is stronger.

No, he is not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus does not have the unlimited power of Anakin Skywalker to call upon.

There is no such thing as unlimited power. Every one has limits, even in Star Wars.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In that fight Anakin tapped into his true potential, which as stated by George Lucas (iirc) was twice that of Darth Sidious, the man heralded and widely believed to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

And against Obi-Wan, what happened?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nor am I.

The example was unnecessary.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, no, you seem to have missed the point. All throughout the duel we can see Dooku block Grievous' strikes easily one-handedly. Considering the cyborg has enough strength to dent hulls, that is extremely impressive, and speaks for the Count's Force-assisted strength.

That is Count Dooku's dueling style. Even Darth Malak dueled with single hand. Malgus also often duels with single hand. And he can also augment his strength with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Quite impressive. But not enough to tip anything in in his favor. He'll need more than kicks to take down Dooku.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Grievous was also able to kick Obi-Wan across a room and the Count still schooled him, as seen above.

Obi-Wan is not a powerful force user.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So?

So it proves that Malgus is capable of performing powerful force attacks. And he will make the duel difficult for Count Dooku.

Originally posted by Nephthys
😐

It does not matter? The fact that Grievous is capable of moving far and away faster than any human being (including Malgus) in history does not matter?


Random Sith? Lord Adrass is no random Sith. Did you even watched the Decieved video and read about him in the novels?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You yourself salivate over some random Siths lightsaber blurring and the fact that Grievous can move so fast his arms vanish from sight, imitating a quantum even Does. Not. Matter?

Grievous being a machine is capable of performing impressive feats. However, this is not sufficient to put him on par with powerful Jedi and Sith. No droid is ever a match for a powerful Sith or Jedi.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. That Dooku was capable of treating an opponent with that level of speed, as well as the strength I provide above, like child with a wooden stick speaks wonders of his ability in lightsaber combat.

Again, Dooku's schooling of Greivous is not impressive example. His dueling with Yoda is much better example.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So? All Jedi use the Force to amplify their physical attributes.

Yes. And this example is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not privy to the Counts thoughts. So you cannot make assumptions about why he decided to withdraw.

Then why did he ran away? He could have ended Yoda right there, if he was that much capable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. That Malgus can survive the beating Satale gave him is impressive, but it won't allow him to survive a lightsaber stab.

I can accept this. Keep in mind that Count Dooku's force abilities will be useless against Malgus.

Member Sith Sorcerer is correct in his assumption that if Malgus goes down, it will be because of lightsaber stab.

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

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These are good animations. More realistic then those funny cartoons.

Oppress is slower then Vindican in both of these videos.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And now for his fight against Dooku:

YouTube video

A very impressive showing from Dooku imo.


Oppress is physically stronger then Count Dooku and send him packing at 1:04. Count Dooku heavily relied on Force lightning to stop him.

Opress is good with lightsaber. However, he has no prominent kills to his name. These videos do no put him on par with Malgus. Not even close.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Your welcome. You should watch them, they're great.

I would be inclined to agree with you. However, that Dooku was able to so effortlessly dominate her speaks of his power and abilities.


Again, see the third video above. Diffferent characters can pose different challenges depending upon their capabilities. Malgus is considerably harder battle for Count Dooku.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus only supported 'several tons' of rubble. A quick look on Dictionary.com reveals that 'several' means 'Being of a number more than two or three but not many'. The weight of the pillars Dooku casually supported was likely dozens of tons, well above what Malgus accomplished.

Again, you dare assume on weight of those objects? Don't do it without proper backing.

Several tons does not means 2 or 3. It means more. Not too many but still can be impressive number.

Also, Malgus threw them away like ragdolls.

Originally posted by Nephthys
😐

No he isn't.


Yes, he is. There is no example here that puts Count Dooku on par with Malgus's physical strength and also his tolerance.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nice...

You lack logical thinking. His points lack logical reasoning too. He is just impressed by single hand dueling style of Count Dooku. Count is not unique in this regard.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
LeGend can't even prove how Malgus will be able to overcome Count Dooku,

You have better arguments? Then post here instead of these baseless one-liners.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
and yet he continues to argue that he can be compared to Darth Bane. Yeah, there's no way in hell

Darth Bane is massively overhyped. Like all other characters, he has moments of glory and also failures.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He augmented his strength with the Force before he made that move. You think that it is easy to carve your way through heavy machinery like that? Continue to read below.

Well, yes. Its a lightsaber, it can cut through pretty much anything.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Lightsabers do not cut through starship parts like knife through butter with minor effort.

Proof of this? Do you have an example of a lightsaber struggling to cut through an engine?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is another analogy; you have a saw in your hand that is lethal enough to cut through heavy wood. However, your physical strength would determine that how fast you cut through it.

Get the point? [/b]

Incorrect. The sharpness of the saw would also play a significant part. The sharper the blade, the less resistence to my cuts. And a lightsaber has the best cutting power in the galaxy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There is a limit to protection of body armor. If body armor is enough withstand powerful explosions, then how come heavily armored Tanks and Droids get destroyed by them? The energy and heat that such explosions release are enormous. Again, you are not making any sense.

Well for a start they got destroyed by direct hits, while Malgus was not directly hit, he was just caught up in the explosion. Secondly he's a Sith Lord, so of course he has the best armor available. Thirdly, they're just battle droids. You might as well ask why stormtroopers get shitty mass-produced armor while Vader gets armor that can deflect a direct lightsaber strike.

And fourthly, his armor did protect him. What, do you think it played no part at all? That the explosion only hit his head, the only exposed part of him. Come on. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sometimes I wonder if I am arguing with a kid.

Legend, don't patronize me. No-one, myself included, takes you seriously. Count yourself lucky I'm bored enough to stoop to debating you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If body armor can protect you from missiles and rocket propelled grenades, who needs Tanks and gigantic Droids in battles? Use your brain.

If body armor can protect you from lightsaber strikes, why need stormtroopers? 🙄

Typical blind Legend.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus himself was physically very strong. Now show me comparable example from Anakin.

Again, how the **** does that show he's strong? Did he punch the explosion!?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You guess? Try it youself, genius. You need a cyborg to do that.

Or the ability to use the Force. Are you really this ignorant or are you just doing a good impression.

You yourself have said that Jedi can amplify their physical strength with the Force. Guess what, alot of Jedi can do this. Being able to lift someone one-handed is not a particularly overwhelming feat. In Tales of the Jedi Exar Kun and Sylvar both replicate this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Anakin would be augmenting his strength with the Force. Jedi gets superhuman capabilities from the Force.

No dumbass, he's using his robotic hand. You can't augment a robot hand with the Force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Jedi is pretty much immobilized.

Again, so what? He just lifted him up. Theres nothing indicating he snapped his/her neck.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Try lifting a man with one hand and use your sword against other to strike him down simultaneously. Then come back.

You're a real idiot, you know that?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There is no such thing as unlimited power. Every one has limits, even in Star Wars.

I was using a colorful turn of phrase.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And against Obi-Wan, what happened?

Anakin did not tap into his true potential, instead becoming a feral, insane lunatic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The example was unnecessary.

No it wasn't you utter insect. That you are too blind to understand basic logic does not make the point unnecessary. The point being that Grievous is incredibly strong, stronger than Malgus, and Dooku was able to block him with one hand.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That is Count Dooku's dueling style. Even Darth Malak dueled with single hand. Malgus also often duels with single hand. And he can also augment his strength with the Force.

THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE POINT!

Dooku is strong enough to easily block a cyborg with superstrength with ONE HAND! That alone proves that he is more that capable of dealing with Malgus' pitiful strength. I can't tell at this stage whether your actually missing the point or if you're pretending to be ignorant because you know you can't refute my points legitimately.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Agreed.

Good.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Obi-Wan is not a powerful force user.

He is, but whatever, its not important.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So it proves that Malgus is capable of performing powerful force attacks. And he will make the duel difficult for Count Dooku.

So what? We're talking about Malgus' physical strength, not his Force strength. You think Dooku cannot also perform powerful Force attacks? Please. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Random Sith? Lord Adrass is no random Sith. Did you even watched the Decieved video and read about him in the novels?

Yes, you've posted both for me to read. He does not impress me in the slightest.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Grievous being a machine is capable of performing impressive feats. However, this is not sufficient to put him on par with powerful Jedi and Sith. No droid is ever a match for a powerful Sith or Jedi.

Yes it is sufficient. If you continue to ignore my evidence like a coward then I will stop replying to you. Oh and:

YouTube video

3 of those Jedi were Jedi Council Members. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, Dooku's schooling of Greivous is not impressive example. His dueling with Yoda is much better example.

Grievous is faster and stronger than Malgus. And Dooku toyed with him. This is an incredibly impressive feat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes. And this example is irrelevant.

Dooku is capable of holding a saberlock with abeing who can lift a house-sized gun and its irrelevent? Ok, if you say so. 😆

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then why did he ran away? He could have ended Yoda right there, if he was that much capable.

There were reinforcements in coming. Also if he had not left at that point he may not have been able to get off the planet and past any Republic ships. There are numerous reasons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can accept this. Keep in mind that Count Dooku's force abilities will be useless against Malgus.

As long as you keep in mind that the reverse is also true.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Member Sith Sorcerer is correct in his assumption that if Malgus goes down, it will be because of lightsaber stab.

Agreed. And since Dooku is superior to him with a lightsaber.....

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oppress is slower then Vindican in both of these videos.

Oppress is physically stronger then Count Dooku and send him packing at 1:04. Count Dooku heavily relied on Force lightning to stop him.

Opress is good with lightsaber. However, he has no prominent kills to his name. These videos do no put him on par with Malgus. Not even close.

So? Speed doesn't matter as much as strength remember. 🙄

That Opress was able to do that and Grievous was not simply speaks about his strength, not Dooku's weakness. And Dooku was able to simply dance around his attacks without a lightsaber anyway.

Again your stupid rule of judging someone by 'prominent kills'. And why not? Opress is stronger than Malgus, can walk through less Jedi and has comparable Force Strength.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, see the third video above. Diffferent characters can pose different challenges depending upon their capabilities. Malgus is considerably harder battle for Count Dooku.

How does that respond to my point? Dooku dominating Asajj is a damn impressive feat for him given how powerful she is. Do not ignore this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, you dare assume on weight of those objects? Don't do it without proper backing.

I have gotten a proper backing on them in the past, in the Dooku vs Vader thread. And they are easily over a dozen tons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Several tons does not means 2 or 3. It means more. Not too many but still can be impressive number.

No, not impressive. Not even close.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, he is. There is no example here that puts Count Dooku on par with Malgus's physical strength and also his tolerance.

Your lies are sour. Anakin is a monster. That you put Malgus above Zonakin, the fully-realised Chosen One, is laughable.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You lack logical thinking. His points lack logical reasoning too. He is just impressed by single hand dueling style of Count Dooku. Count is not unique in this regard.

No, You're completely missing his points. Dooku, being able to duel very strong opponents with one hand, proves that Dooku is far from a weakling himself.

Now if Dooku and Malgus were to have an arm wrestling match, I would most likely give it to Malgus. However, Malgus strength is not enough to overcome Dooku in an all out fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have better arguments? Then post here instead of these baseless one-liners.

Nephthys already crushed your arguments. He has provided evidents in Dooku's superiority in TK and duelling skills, and you continue to argue. Sorry but we're not going to do what Sith Sorcerer wants us to do and place new comers up there with the big dogs just because they may look more badass. You need to provide proof that he can overcome someone like Dooku, and so far you have not provided proof for Malgus's superiority over Dooku.

YouTube video

That dart Dooku pulled out of his neck was some kind of drug imbued with nightsister magic. It took away Dooku's vision and dampened his force senses. Yet Dooku ended up sending all three nightsister (including Ventress) flying out of his window with a powerful burst of force lightning.

Ventress who is skilled and powerful enough to take on some of the best the jedi order had to offer, such as Kit Fisto, is absolutely no match for Dooku, even when she has help. Don't underestimate Ventress. Although she is not a full fledged sith, she is still a very gifted warrior.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Bane is massively overhyped. Like all other characters, he has moments of glory and also failures.

And Malgus is all glory and no failures, right?

Get out of here. lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, yes. Its a lightsaber, it can cut through pretty much anything.

This is very shortsighted logic. Lightsaber cannot cut through everything in the first place. Also, some objects are harder to cut through then others. Starship parts are typically made of very durable materials.

Here is an analogy: A shark can have mouth filled with razer sharp teeth which can cut through flesh like knives through butter. However, the bite force plays a significant role behind the total damage inflicted on the victim's body in a single chomp.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Proof of this? Do you have an example of a lightsaber struggling to cut through an engine?

Starship parts are very durable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Incorrect. The sharpness of the saw would also play a significant part. The sharper the blade, the less resistence to my cuts.

Listen kid, you need some serious reality check.

I have performed this experiment myself. The saw is indeed designed to cut through the wood. However, the more force I apply, the faster I cut through.

Try this yourself.

And a lightsaber has the best cutting power in the galaxy.

It might be but still the force behind the strokes matter a lot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well for a start they got destroyed by direct hits, while Malgus was not directly hit, he was just caught up in the explosion.

Watch the video again. Malgus force jumped towards the Starship engine and destroyed it in mid-air:

And he tolerated all that explosion in the process.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Secondly he's a Sith Lord, so of course he has the best armor available.

Not necessarily. Jedi and Sith mostly rely on the Force to protect themselves from dangerous attacks, if they are strong enough.

And body armor offers limited protection. If you wear the best bulletproof jacket in the world, it will offer you good protection against bullets and sharpnel. However, it cannot save you from RPG hits.

Even in the Star Wars, forcefield offers good protection against heavy firepower.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thirdly, they're just battle droids.

Battle Droids can be enormous in size and very heavily armored.

Watch this video:

YouTube video

At 1:41, the Bounty Hunter destroys a large Droid with a single rocket or RPG hit. And he uses the Forcefield to save himself from dangerous attacks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You might as well ask why stormtroopers get shitty mass-produced armor while Vader gets armor that can deflect a direct lightsaber strike.

Stormtroopers are vulnerable to powerful explosions. Even Vader's armor offers limited protection against powerful explosions.

Here;

He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master.

The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.

He was the first to his feet, striding across the rubble to where Darth Vader lay face-forward, gravely wounded and stripped of his armor in places. Flesh and machinery showed through the gaps. Finally, some real blood was flowing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And fourthly, his armor did protect him. What, do you think it played no part at all? That the explosion only hit his head, the only exposed part of him. Come on. 🙄

His armor did not do any wonders. It cannot protect him from such powerful explosions. He used the Force to protect him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Legend, don't patronize me. No-one, myself included, takes you seriously. Count yourself lucky I'm bored enough to stoop to debating you.

I don't care. I rely on logic and brain because I have some grasp of reality. You actually don't. Your assertions are particularly laughable in this thread.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If body armor can protect you from lightsaber strikes, why need stormtroopers? 🙄

Typical blind Legend.


Don't try to act smart genius. Why do armies use Amored Vehicles in battles? Because Armored Vehicles offer much greater protection to vulnerable troops from heavy firepower. Same logic applies in Star Wars.

Typical blind Nephthys who fails to understand any logic. Do you suck in IQ test?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, how the **** does that show he's strong? Did he punch the explosion!?

He was standing right there even after the impact of powerful explosions. That is bad@ss.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or the ability to use the Force. Are you really this ignorant or are you just doing a good impression.

And you think that Anakin and Count Dooku are not using the Force to augment their strengths when they perform impressive moves? They always do.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You yourself have said that Jedi can amplify their physical strength with the Force. Guess what, alot of Jedi can do this. Being able to lift someone one-handed is not a particularly overwhelming feat. In Tales of the Jedi Exar Kun and Sylvar both replicate this.

Yes, same applies to Anakin and Count Dooku. Force is what grants Jedi and Sith superhuman abilities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No dumbass, he's using his robotic hand. You can't augment a robot hand with the Force.

Tell that to Darth Vader. And you previously stated bare hands. Do you even understand the difference between a bare hand of flesh and a robotic hand?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, so what? He just lifted him up. Theres nothing indicating he snapped his/her neck.

Ok, my mistake. He choked him to death but he did this with his single hand. He also killed a prominent Sith Lord with his bare hands, remember?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're a real idiot, you know that?

Then no need to belittle feats of Malgus.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was using a colorful turn of phrase.

Stick to realism.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin did not tap into his true potential, instead becoming a feral, insane lunatic.

This is no justification. He was trying just as hard against Obi-Wan. Difference is that Obi-Wan presented a different kind of challenge to him (Soresu) and Anakin failed to find an opening.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it wasn't you utter insect. That you are too blind to understand basic logic does not make the point unnecessary. The point being that Grievous is incredibly strong, stronger than Malgus, and Dooku was able to block him with one hand.

I understood your point. Grievous is physically strong because of being machine. However, can he match the power of the Force? He cannot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE POINT!

Dooku is strong enough to easily block a cyborg with superstrength with ONE HAND! That alone proves that he is more that capable of dealing with Malgus' pitiful strength. I can't tell at this stage whether your actually missing the point or if you're pretending to be ignorant because you know you can't refute my points legitimately.


Do you even understand that how lightsaber dueling occurs? Count Dooku would have augmented his physical strength to withstand the powerful strokes of Grievous.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He is, but whatever, its not important.

Not like Dooku and Malgus.

Malgus can radiate power with just expressions of rage;

Anger refilled him, overcame him. A shout of hate, raw and jagged, burst from his throat. Power went with it, shattering a nearby column and sending a rain of stone shards through the room.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So what? We're talking about Malgus' physical strength, not his Force strength. You think Dooku cannot also perform powerful Force attacks? Please. 🙄

Did I said that Count Dooku cannot? However, he has limits. Because of his old age, he will tire out sooner.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, you've posted both for me to read. He does not impress me in the slightest.

Because of your epic fanboyism which is clouding your judgement.

You are impressed by Lsu taking on no-name Sith and Bane on no-name Dark Acolytes but you are not impressed by Malgus killing another powerful Sith Lord. Bravo. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes it is sufficient. If you continue to ignore my evidence like a coward then I will stop replying to you. Oh and:

YouTube video

3 of those Jedi were Jedi Council Members. 🙂


Grievous is skilled. No one doubts this. However, he is not exceptional. If he was such a bad@ss, why he failed to defeat lone Obi-Wan?

And not all PT era Jedi were powerful. Many of them sucked.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Grievous is faster and stronger than Malgus. And Dooku toyed with him. This is an incredibly impressive feat.

And this is why you should not be taken seriously. What makes you think that Grievous stands a chance against Malgus? Malgus will school him with his force powers without much difficulty.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku is capable of holding a saberlock with abeing who can lift a house-sized gun and its irrelevent? Ok, if you say so. 😆

You so damn stupid. Yoda would have used the Force to lift that heavy object. What does that feat has any relevance to dueling abilities of Yoda?

Originally posted by Nephthys
There were reinforcements in coming. Also if he had not left at that point he may not have been able to get off the planet and past any Republic ships. There are numerous reasons.

Or Yoda would have subdued him?

Originally posted by Nephthys
As long as you keep in mind that the reverse is also true.

No. Malgus is more powerful then him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Agreed. And since Dooku is superior to him with a lightsaber.....

This is just an assumption. He is not invincible in lightsaber combat. Just vastly overhyped. Malgus is capable of performing powerful strokes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So? Speed doesn't matter as much as strength remember. 🙄

By speed, I mean't bladework. The bladework of Vindican is better then his.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That Opress was able to do that and Grievous was not simply speaks about his strength, not Dooku's weakness. And Dooku was able to simply dance around his attacks without a lightsaber anyway.

Assaj performed shitty moves to hit Count Dooku in the early stage. And he easily dodged her.

In addition, Count Dooku relied heavily on his force powers to stop Oppress who was more dominating then her because of his greater strength.

In the end, Assaj performed some good acrobatics to nullify the advantage of Count Dooku's dueling abilities and he once again relied on his force powers to disarm her.

Count Dooku is good. But he is not unstoppable. Thanks for the video though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again your stupid rule of judging someone by 'prominent kills'. And why not? Opress is stronger than Malgus, can walk through less Jedi and has comparable Force Strength.

You don't know if Oppress is stronger then Malgus. You are just speculating. Malgus has far more feats to his name in comparison.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How does that respond to my point? Dooku dominating Asajj is a damn impressive feat for him given how powerful she is. Do not ignore this.

Addressed above on the basis of the video you shared. Force powers of Count Dooku cannot stop Malgus.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I have gotten a proper backing on them in the past, in the Dooku vs Vader thread. And they are easily over a dozen tons.

Confirm through canonical sources. I will not accept speculations.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not impressive. Not even close.

Only in your deluded mind.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is very shortsighted logic. Lightsaber cannot cut through everything in the first place. Also, some objects are harder to cut through then others. Starship parts are typically made of very durable materials.

[B]Here is an analogy: A shark can have mouth filled with razer sharp teeth which can cut through flesh like knives through butter. However, the bite force plays a significant role behind the total damage inflicted on the victim's body in a single chomp.[/b]

It can cut through steel easily enough. And prove that the thing Kao threw at him with 'very durable.' I'll be waiting.

And on the other hand I can press a blunt knife very hard against my finger and not break the skin, and yet a peice of paper can accidentally slice it open with very little pressure at all. This is because of how thin it is, which makes it very sharp. Now

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Starship parts are very durable.

'Confirm through canonical sources. I will not accept speculations.'

What, are you allowed to speculate and I am not? You are so full of shit. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Listen kid, you need some serious reality check.

I have performed this experiment myself. The saw is indeed designed to cut through the wood. However, the more force I apply, the faster I cut through.

Try this yourself.

Listen old man, you need to retire. Get yourself on a cruise somewhere and let a cabin boy pork you until you feel better about getting your ass kicked by me.

I did. First I tried to cut it with a spoon, putting alot of pressure on it, but I couldn't even make a little cut. 🙁

Then I used a saw, only putting a small amount of pressure on it. But it was still cut! I was so happy! 😄

Come at me bro 😉

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It might be but still the force behind the strokes matter a lot.

But he doesn't do a stroke. He just jumps at it with his lightsaber held out in front of him.

Watch the video again, 4.48 :

YouTube video

When he emerges from the flames his lightsaber isn't moving at all. He made no swing, he didn't attack at all, he just jumped at it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch the video again. Malgus force jumped towards the Starship engine and destroyed it in mid-air:

And he tolerated all that explosion in the process.

Pfft, it didn't even set his cloak on fire. 🙄

That was a completely different example. It was not the same as the blasts the Trooper was firing at Malgus that destroyed those droids.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not necessarily. Jedi and Sith mostly rely on the Force to protect themselves from dangerous attacks, if they are strong enough.

So Malgus wears that armor purely because it makes him look cool then?

Open your ****ing eyes. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And body armor offers limited protection. If you wear the best bulletproof jacket in the world, it will offer you good protection against bullets and sharpnel. However, it cannot save you from RPG hits.

A bulletproof vest is not the same as futuristic full-body armor.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Battle Droids can be enormous in size and very heavily armored.

Watch this video:

YouTube video

At 1:41, the Bounty Hunter destroys a large Droid with a single rocket or RPG hit. And he uses the Forcefield to save himself from dangerous attacks.

Progression videos depict gameplay and are non-canon. That video is not useable as evidence.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Stormtroopers are vulnerable to powerful explosions. Even Vader's armor offers limited protection against powerful explosions.

Here;

He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master.

The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.

He was the first to his feet, striding across the rubble to where Darth Vader lay face-forward, gravely wounded and stripped of his armor in places. Flesh and machinery showed through the gaps. Finally, some real blood was flowing.

His armor did not do any wonders. It cannot protect him from such powerful explosions. He used the Force to protect him.

Stormtrooper armor is vulnerable to sticks and rocks, as shown in RotJ. However here we can see Vaders armor tank Lukes direct ligtsaber strike:

YouTube video

5.16.

As to that quote, so? Vader had been struck numerous times already by Starkillers lightsaber at that point, and the explosion of the shield generator was far bigger than anything Malgus faced.

But again you miss my point, which is that fodder like Stormtroopers and basic battle droids are not heavily as armored as Sith Lords will be. Its a basic part of warfare, the higher up you are, the greater your resources will be.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't care. I rely on logic and brain because I have some grasp of reality. You actually don't. Your assertions are particularly laughable in this thread.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Don't try to act smart genius. Why do armies use Amored Vehicles in battles? Because Armored Vehicles offer much greater protection to vulnerable troops from heavy firepower. Same logic applies in Star Wars.

Typical blind Nephthys who fails to understand any logic. Do you suck in IQ test?[/b]

I don't try to act smart, it just comes naturally to me.

And we're not talking about Armored Vehicles, we're talking about shitty little battle droids.

No, I just.... don't test very well. :C

(Yes, I'm taking the piss out of you)

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He was standing right there even after the impact of powerful explosions. That is bad@ss.

🙄

'Malgus iz moch kewler! He must be able to defeat that stoopid old Dooku!'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you think that Anakin and Count Dooku are not using the Force to augment their strengths when they perform impressive moves? They always do.

So? Is Dooku not allowed o do that in this thread? I think he is, it is my thread after all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, same applies to Anakin and Count Dooku. Force is what grants Jedi and Sith superhuman abilities.

Again, so ****ing what? Malgus no doubt does the same. The point is that Dooku can augment his strength to the point that Malgus' attacks are not going to matter to him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Tell that to Darth Vader. And you previously stated bare hands. Do you even understand the difference between a bare hand of flesh and a robotic hand?[/b]

Don't be pedantic. I showed the freaking image. Its not my fault you can't tell the difference between flesh and metal.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ok, my mistake. He choked him to death but he did this with his single hand. He also killed a prominent Sith Lord with his bare hands, remember?

Yes, I remember. He choked him to death. Truely he is the Hulk of Star Wars. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is no justification. He was trying just as hard against Obi-Wan. Difference is that Obi-Wan presented a different kind of challenge to him (Soresu) and Anakin failed to find an opening.

Yes it is. Anakin defeated Dooku by tapping into his true power and by fighting at a level he has never achieved before or since. He was not in that state when he fought Obi-Wan. He was insane with anger and grief. He even Force Choked Padme, who he had done everything for including murdering children. Do you know how much a Sith's mental and emotional state can affect their performance. Why not look at Malgus. Only when he harnessed his rage was he able to defeat Kao. Anakin was not harnessing his rage, it was harnessing him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I understood your point. Grievous is physically strong because of being machine. However, can he match the power of the Force? He cannot.

That does not matter. I'm not talking about him fighting someone with the Force. Dooku fought him blade to blade and blocked his blows casually and with a single hand. This proves Dooku can fight against strong opponents easily.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you even understand that how lightsaber dueling occurs? Count Dooku would have augmented his physical strength to withstand the powerful strokes of Grievous.

And he can do the same against Malgus. With Malgus' only advantage being his strength, which Dooku can neutralise, Dooku will undoubtably win.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not like Dooku and Malgus.

Malgus can radiate power with just expressions of rage;

Anger refilled him, overcame him. A shout of hate, raw and jagged, burst from his throat. Power went with it, shattering a nearby column and sending a rain of stone shards through the room.

Actually that was a Force Scream. Anakin did the same thing at the end of RotS and during Labyrinth to break a roof.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did I said that Count Dooku cannot? However, he has limits. Because of his old age, he will tire out sooner.

It won't be an endurance contest. Dooku is superior in speed and technique and he'll kill Malgus before he starts getting tired.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Because of your epic fanboyism which is clouding your judgement.

You are impressed by Lsu taking on no-name Sith and Bane on no-name Dark Acolytes but you are not impressed by Malgus killing another powerful Sith Lord. Bravo.

No, because he didn't do anything. He got the complete shit kicked out of him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Grievous is skilled. No one doubts this. However, he is not exceptional. If he was such a bad@ss, why he failed to defeat lone Obi-Wan?

And not all PT era Jedi were powerful. Many of them sucked.

Because Obi-Wan is also a bad@ss. You underestimate him.

Which is why Lucas referred to them as the Golden Age of the Jedi I'm sure. 🙄

Shaaki Ti, Aayla and Ki Adi Mundi did not suck. The were on the Council for a reason.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And this is why you should not be taken seriously. What makes you think that Grievous stands a chance against Malgus? Malgus will school him with his force powers without much difficulty.

And this is why you should not be taken seriously. You miss my points and do not understand what I'm talking about. I am talking purely about lightsaber combat. Dooku was able to effortlessly fight off Grievous with his lightsaber one handed despite the cyborg generals extreme capabilities, which are beyond Malgus'. Now you've asserted that the fight will be decided in lightsaber combat. If Dooku can fight Grievous so easily despite him being Malgus' superior, how can you possibly believe Malgus can defeat the Count?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You so damn stupid. Yoda would have used the Force to lift that heavy object. What does that feat has any relevance to dueling abilities of Yoda?

I am not the stupid one. He carried it on his back, he did not use the Force. If Yoda is physically strong enough to do that and yet Dooku can lock lightsabers with him and not be overwhelmed, then that means that Dooku must be incredibly strong himself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Or Yoda would have subdued him?

A possibility. Not one that you can prove though. And you know how much I detest speculation. 😉

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No. Malgus is more powerful then him.

You have not even begun to demonstrate this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is just an assumption. He is not invincible in lightsaber combat. Just vastly overhyped. Malgus is capable of performing powerful strokes.

😬

Oh my! 'Powerful strokes!' That means he must be a fantastic duelist! Theres no way Dooku will be able to match 'powerful strokes'! I mean, he's only one of the greatest lightsaber fighters in the mythos! But thats nothing compared to 'powerful strokes!'

You are pathetic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By speed, I mean't bladework. The bladework of Vindican is better then his.

I disagree.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Assaj performed shitty moves to hit Count Dooku in the early stage. And he easily dodged her.

In addition, Count Dooku relied heavily on his force powers to stop Oppress who was more dominating then her because of his greater strength.

In the end, Assaj performed some good acrobatics to nullify the advantage of Count Dooku's dueling abilities and he once again relied on his force powers to disarm her.

Count Dooku is good. But he is not unstoppable. Thanks for the video though.

In what way were they shitty? Asajj is a very capable duelist. Even Darth Sidious refered o her as 'a skilled warrior.'

Dooku also dodged his blade easily enough. He made Savage's attacks look like jokes. Another indication of his fantastic duelling ability.

Yes, the Count is very strong to be able to do that. You yourself admitted how powerful and skilled she is in telekinesis, and yet he easily levitates and disarms her.

I never said he was unstoppable. Nor is Malgus. Dooku does not need to be unstoppable to defeat him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You don't know if Oppress is stronger then Malgus. You are just speculating. Malgus has far more feats to his name in comparison.

Dooku was able to block Anakin and Grievous' blows without much effort and yet a single strike from Oppress sent him flying. And Anakin and Grievous are both stronger than Malgus.

Do the math.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Addressed above on the basis of the video you shared. Force powers of Count Dooku cannot stop Malgus.

'This is just an assumption. He is not invincible in Force combat. Just vastly overhyped. Dooku is capable of performing powerful Force attacks.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Confirm through canonical sources. I will not accept speculations.

Your hypocracy is astounding.

I'll do it when my internet connection is less shitty.