Darth Malgus vs Count Dooku

Originally posted by Nephthys
It can cut through steel easily enough.

Remember the scene in Phantom Menace when Gui-Gon was trying to cut through a blast door? It was taking time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And prove that the thing Kao threw at him with 'very durable.' I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And on the other hand I can press a blunt knife very hard against my finger and not break the skin, and yet a peice of paper can accidentally slice it open with very little pressure at all. This is because of how thin it is, which makes it very sharp. Now

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Confirm through canonical sources. I will not accept speculations.'

What, are you allowed to speculate and I am not? You are so full of shit. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
Listen old man, you need to retire. Get yourself on a cruise somewhere and let a cabin boy pork you until you feel better about getting your ass kicked by me.

I did. First I tried to cut it with a spoon, putting alot of pressure on it, but I couldn't even make a little cut. 🙁

Then I used a saw, only putting a small amount of pressure on it. But it was still cut! I was so happy! 😄

Come at me bro 😉

Try that experiment with a tree and then let me know.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But he doesn't do a stroke. He just jumps at it with his lightsaber held out in front of him.

Watch the video again, 4.48 :

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When he emerges from the flames his lightsaber isn't moving at all. He made no swing, he didn't attack at all, he just jumped at it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Pfft, it didn't even set his cloak on fire. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
That was a completely different example. It was not the same as the blasts the Trooper was firing at Malgus that destroyed those droids.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So Malgus wears that armor purely because it makes him look cool then?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Open your ****ing eyes. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
A bulletproof vest is not the same as futuristic full-body armor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Progression videos depict gameplay and are non-canon. That video is not useable as evidence.

Now you will be CRUSHED:

YouTube video

From 1:31 - 1:37, a single rocket fired from a 'shoulder based rocket launcher' destroyed that gigantic machine.

Get the picture?

You underestimate the enormous power of the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Stormtrooper armor is vulnerable to sticks and rocks, as shown in RotJ. However here we can see Vaders armor tank Lukes direct ligtsaber strike:

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5.16.

Same is true in case of Malgus:

The attack caught Malgus unprepared, and Aryn’s blade bit into his armor. Sparks flew and Malgus winced, snarled with pain. He ducked under Master Zallow’s blade, and Aryn recalled both to her hands as she ran. The moment she had them, she cast them both at Malgus again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As to that quote, so? Vader had been struck numerous times already by Starkillers lightsaber at that point,

Originally posted by Nephthys
and the explosion of the shield generator was far bigger than anything Malgus faced.

Malgus was hit by single rocket at least. The explosion was big and blinding as apparent from this image:

http://i39.tinypic.com/10wmvie.png

The other rockets destroyed anything in their path. You can also see in the Hope video that no Droid was able to withstand them and those were resistant to Blaster fire. Repeat: Mechanical parts. The rockets were used to clear entire columns of marching Sith Forces. Even Sith Warriors were not able to withstand them.

Learn to accept weaknesses of Vader. He is not invincible.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But again you miss my point, which is that fodder like Stormtroopers and basic battle droids are not heavily as armored as Sith Lords will be. Its a basic part of warfare, the higher up you are, the greater your resources will be.

Now pay attention:

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jte6h.png

The guys in the front are Sith Warriors. They are force users. However, once rockets are fired on this column, it is completely decimated. This paves way for the Republic Troops to launch counter attack.

Those Sith Warriors could tolerate grenade explosions near them (they are wearing body armor too) but could not tolerate powerful blasts of rockets. I don't pity them because this is not a JOKE.

Even Anakin Skywalker was not strong enough to tolerate that blast from a rigged Mandalorian helment (Trap on Vanquor).

Only a very powerful Sith Lord can use the Force to shield himself from damage caused by powerful explosions. Thus far, few have replicated this feat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't try to act smart, it just comes naturally to me.

And we're not talking about Armored Vehicles, we're talking about shitty little battle droids.

No, I just.... don't test very well. :C

(Yes, I'm taking the piss out of you)

I believe that I have covered this part effectively above. Powerful blasts are lethal to anything. Only few have managed to survive from such explosions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
🙄

'Malgus iz moch kewler! He must be able to defeat that stoopid old Dooku!'

Originally posted by Nephthys
So? Is Dooku not allowed o do that in this thread? I think he is, it is my thread after all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, so ****ing what? Malgus no doubt does the same. The point is that Dooku can augment his strength to the point that Malgus' attacks are not going to matter to him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't be pedantic. I showed the freaking image. Its not my fault you can't tell the difference between flesh and metal.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I remember. He choked him to death. Truely he is the Hulk of Star Wars. 🙄

He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi’s brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

Later on, he killed Lord Adraas with bare hands.

Yes. He is physically very strong. You are OWNED once again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes it is. Anakin defeated Dooku by tapping into his true power and by fighting at a level he has never achieved before or since.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He was not in that state when he fought Obi-Wan. He was insane with anger and grief.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He even Force Choked Padme, who he had done everything for including murdering children.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you know how much a Sith's mental and emotional state can affect their performance. Why not look at Malgus.

Malgus used his distaste for Adraas to further feed his anger. He had requested that Darth Angral allow him to lead the attack alone, but Angral had insisted that Adraas lead the drop ship team.

Discarding his cloak, discarding the remaining restraints on his rage, Malgus joined the Sith charge, taking position before Adraas. Emotion fed his power, and its swell fairly lifted him from his feet. He felt the power of the dark side around him, within him.

He has vast experience and great command of the Force. He had one weakness; Eleena. He himself eliminated her so that she could not be used by others to exploit him emotionally.

Later on, he becomes even more powerful by doing this.

Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to e exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.

He turns his weakness in to a source of exceptional strength.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only when he harnessed his rage was he able to defeat Kao.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin was not harnessing his rage, it was harnessing him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That does not matter. I'm not talking about him fighting someone with the Force. Dooku fought him blade to blade and blocked his blows casually and with a single hand. This proves Dooku can fight against strong opponents easily.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And he can do the same against Malgus. With Malgus' only advantage being his strength, which Dooku can neutralise, Dooku will undoubtably win.

If Dooku augments his physical strength with the Force, so would Malgus. And Malgus would still have advantage because of his greater physical strength. There would be more power behind in his strokes in comparison to those of Count Dooku. Don't make half-@ssed assumptions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually that was a Force Scream. Anakin did the same thing at the end of RotS and during Labyrinth to break a roof.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It won't be an endurance contest. Dooku is superior in speed and technique and he'll kill Malgus before he starts getting tired.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because he didn't do anything. He got the complete shit kicked out of him.

Darth Malgus owned Lord Adrass, who was described in the form of black storm of energy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Obi-Wan is also a bad@ss. You underestimate him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is why Lucas referred to them as the Golden Age of the Jedi I'm sure. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Shaaki Ti, Aayla and Ki Adi Mundi did not suck. The were on the Council for a reason.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And this is why you should not be taken seriously. You miss my points and do not understand what I'm talking about. I am talking purely about lightsaber combat. Dooku was able to effortlessly fight off Grievous with his lightsaber one handed despite the cyborg generals extreme capabilities, which are beyond Malgus'. Now you've asserted that the fight will be decided in lightsaber combat. If Dooku can fight Grievous so easily despite him being Malgus' superior, how can you possibly believe Malgus can defeat the Count?

Read this:

Their lightsabers danced, blurring and sweeping and shedding sparks in a way that would have been beautiful had their intent not been so deadly.

This is the description of final duel between Galen and Vader in TFU when both of them were trying hard against each other.

And also read this:

Thinking of Aryn, he felt his stomach flutter. He flew still higher, hoping to catch a glimpse of her near the Temple.
And he did.

She and Darth Malgus bounded across the ruins of the Temple, their blades flashing, locking, the speed of their duel so fast Zeerid could barely follow their movement. Despite himself, he found the combat beautiful.

And then read this:

Adraas loosed a flurry of strikes, his blade a humming, red blur as he spun, stabbed, slashed, and cut. Malgus backed off a single step, another, then held his ground, his own blade an answer to all of Adraas’s attacks. Adraas shouted as he attacked, the sound that of desperation, filled with the knowledge that he was no match for Malgus.
Finally Malgus answered with an attack of his own, forcing Adraas back with the power and speed of his blows. When he had Adraas backed up against the wall, he crosscut for his head.

You clearly have no idea of dueling abilities of Malgus. He is not slow and he has answer to highly skilled duelists in general.

Don't make bullshit assumptions again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am not the stupid one. He carried it on his back, he did not use the Force. If Yoda is physically strong enough to do that and yet Dooku can lock lightsabers with him and not be overwhelmed, then that means that Dooku must be incredibly strong himself.

How come Yoda carry a large object on his back when he uses the Force to lift an X-Wing fighter or a senate Pod?

Damn man! You are indeed full of shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A possibility. Not one that you can prove though. And you know how much I detest speculation. 😉

Also, you think Master Yoda cannot defeat Count Dooku in lightsaber combat? 🙄

Only idiots will take you seriously now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You have not even begun to demonstrate this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
😬

Oh my! 'Powerful strokes!' That means he must be a fantastic duelist! Theres no way Dooku will be able to match 'powerful strokes'! I mean, he's only one of the greatest lightsaber fighters in the mythos! But thats nothing compared to 'powerful strokes!'

You are pathetic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree.

Stop overhyping every Tom, D**k, and Harry of PT era Jedi who stood up to Count Dooku. Count Dooku is not the greatest duelist in Star Wars mythos.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In what way were they shitty? Asajj is a very capable duelist. Even Darth Sidious refered o her as 'a skilled warrior.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku also dodged his blade easily enough. He made Savage's attacks look like jokes. Another indication of his fantastic duelling ability.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, the Count is very strong to be able to do that. You yourself admitted how powerful and skilled she is in telekinesis, and yet he easily levitates and disarms her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said he was unstoppable. Nor is Malgus. Dooku does not need to be unstoppable to defeat him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku was able to block Anakin and Grievous' blows without much effort and yet a single strike from Oppress sent him flying. And Anakin and Grievous are both stronger than Malgus.

Do the math.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'This is just an assumption. He is not invincible in Force combat. Just vastly overhyped. Dooku is capable of performing powerful Force attacks.'

You have reached the epitome of bullshitting now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Your hypocracy is astounding.

I'll do it when my internet connection is less shitty.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Depends upon the type of the steel. Heavy starship parts are very durable.

Remember the scene in Phantom Menace when Gui-Gon was trying to cut through a blast door? It was taking time.

Prove how durable they are.

That was a blast door. It was designed to stop heavy blaster fire and other forms of penetration. And actually he was cutting through it pretty easily:

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6.00

Plus this was 3000 years in the future of TOR. You can't compare the materials there to those in TORs time anymore than you can that of ours to thse used 3000 years in our past.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Starship parts in Star Wars are made up of what?

I don't think theres been anything published yet that shows what they're made of. Of course, I don't know why you're asking me, its you who has to prove it was durable.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What does this example has anything to do with my point?

A lightsaber can cut through something incredibly easily due to its insane cutting power without the use of strength behind it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Starship parts in Star Wars are made up of what?

I don't think theres been anything published yet that shows what they're made of. Of course, I don't know why you're asking me, its you who has to prove it was durable.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are the dumbest person I have ever debated with in this forum. You cannot understand anything properly.

Try that experiment with a [b]tree and then let me know.[/b]

haermm

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, and how he tore through it? His brute strength helped him.

No, it was his lightsaber. At best strength would come into play by keeping his arm straight as his lightsaber cut through it, but not very much given the cutting power of a lightsaber.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Because he used the Force to nullify its effects.

Prove it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I know. However, this example is a demonstration of his brute strength and tolerance.

Not as much as you think. Stop overhyping your favourite characters. Its demeaning.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, it is lightsaber resistant to some extent. He endures several cuts with it.

Your quote later on reveals thats a lie.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need to open your eyes. Body armor is never good enough to withstand powerful explosions. This is where Forcefields come in the picture.

Really? Because the Trooper withstood the explosion just fine with nothing but armor. Was that explosion just not powerful?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right....

Now you will be CRUSHED:

YouTube video

From 1:31 - 1:37, a single rocket fired from a 'shoulder based rocket launcher' destroyed that [B]gigantic machine.

Get the picture?

You underestimate the enormous power of the Force.[/b]

Oh noes, the CRUSHING, it burns!

Hey, guess what? Thats 3000 years in the future from TOR! You cannot possibly compare a rocket from the Movie-era to that of the KotOR-era.

Get the picture?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Body armor worn by Sith Lords typically are designed to withstand lightsaber cuts to some extent.

Same is true in case of Malgus:

The attack caught Malgus unprepared, and Aryn’s blade bit into his armor. Sparks flew and Malgus winced, snarled with pain. He ducked under Master Zallow’s blade, and Aryn recalled both to her hands as she ran. The moment she had them, she cast them both at Malgus again.

Obviously you meant to post a different quote, because that one doesn't show Malgus' armor withstanding a lightsaber strike at all. That he winces in pain proves that the attack got through it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus has been struck several times too.

I count only once.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bullshit. It wasn't large enough to destroy that chamber and it Galen survived it. Vader got badly injured though because his mechanical parts were damaged.

Malgus was hit by single rocket at least. The explosion was big and blinding as apparent from this image:

http://i39.tinypic.com/10wmvie.png

The other rockets destroyed anything in their path. You can also see in the Hope video that no Droid was able to withstand them and those were resistant to Blaster fire. Repeat: Mechanical parts. The rockets were used to clear entire columns of marching Sith Forces. Even Sith Warriors were not able to withstand them.

Learn to accept weaknesses of Vader. He is not invincible.

Maybe you didn't read it:

'The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.'

The explosion was much larger and more destructive and Vader was right at the middle of it. That he was able to survive it is a testament to his durability.

Heres a video if you need an image of how high up the dome was. Shattering it shows how powerful the explosion really was:

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And I never said he was you dweeb. Guess what, neither is Malgus!

Also that image is blank.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Body armor does not protects you from heavy firepower. This logic also applies in Star Wars. Try to process this thing in your thick skull.

Now pay attention:

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jte6h.png

The guys in the front are Sith Warriors. They are force users. However, once rockets are fired on this column, it is completely decimated. This paves way for the Republic Troops to launch counter attack.

Those Sith Warriors could tolerate grenade explosions near them (they are wearing body armor too) but could not tolerate powerful blasts of rockets. I don't pity them because this is not a JOKE.

Even Anakin Skywalker was not strong enough to tolerate that blast from a rigged Mandalorian helment (Trap on Vanquor).

Only a very powerful Sith Lord can use the Force to shield himself from damage caused by powerful explosions. Thus far, few have replicated this feat.

Those Warriors must have been pretty shite if they couldn't handle a few explosions.

But we never actually see them destroyed by rocket blasts. So yeah, shut up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are smart? LOL

I believe that I have covered this part effectively above. Powerful blasts are lethal to anything. Only few have managed to survive from such explosions.

I am actually. Much smarter than you.

And I will reply as I have before: You have shown precisely zero evidence that Malgus blocked that explosion with the Force. Do so or drop the point.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, he can defeat Count Dooku.

Because he's cooler? Because you have a hard-on for KotOR-era people? You've already dropped the pretext of objectivity when you posted an argument merely stating that he's badass.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, he would do that. And so would Malgus. But greater physical help of Malgus can help him.

Irrelevent. Dooku has shown dealing very well against superior strength than Malgus', and boosting himself to a level beyond Malgus without much difficulty. Malgus has not demonstated the ability to surpass him in boosting his strength. Since this is your only argument for Malgus being able to win, you fail utterly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku can be overpowered. Remember what Oppress did to him, as shown in one of those videos? Dooku had to resort to his Force lightning to stop him repeatedly. And Malgus is far more powerful then Oppress. Don't make silly assumptions.

Anyone can be overpowered, including Malgus. Oppress is stronger than Malgus as I have proven and Dooku has dealt easily with opponents stronger than Malgus before.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't have that source. I suspected a robotic hand on the second-right image below. It is not very clear though in a close up shot. However, your point is flawed from the beginning.

Well if you don't know that Anakin has a robotic hand, then why are you even debating, lol. And my point was flawless thank you very much. If not, explain to me the flaws.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I rechecked the novel again and there is a surprise for you:

He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi’s brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

Later on, he killed Lord Adraas with bare hands.

Yes. He is physically very strong. You are OWNED once again.

Again he choked someone to death. Theres nothing in there indicating he broke the mans neck. I remain unimpressed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How to you know this? Even if this is true, Anakin was still trying hard to overpower Obi-Wan as apparent from his assaults on him. We cannot ignore the fact that the strengths and weaknesses of Obi-Wan differ from those of Count Dooku.

How do I know? I actually read the novelisation:

A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.

It is that simple, and that complex.

And it is final.

Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.

The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku & Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.

And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.

The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos.

Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.

Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke.

It is this knowledge that shows him his death, makes him handle it, turn it this way and that in his mind, examine it in detail like a black gemstone so cold it burns. Dooku's elegant farce has degenerated into bathetic melodrama, and not one shed tear will mark the passing of its hero.

But for Anakin, in the fight there is only terror, and rage.

Only he stands between death and the two men he loves best in all the world, and he can no longer afford to hold anything back. That imaginary dead-star dragon tries its best to freeze away his strength, to whisper him that Dooku has beaten him before, that Dooku has all the power of the darkness, to remind him how Dooku took his hand, how Dooku could strike down even Obi-Wan himself seemingly without effort and now Anakin is all alone and he will never be a match for any Lord of the Sith-But Palpatine's words rage is your weapon have given Anakin permission to unseal the shielding around his furnace heart, and all his fears and all his doubts shrivel in its flame.

When Count Dooku flies at him, blade flashing, Watto's fist cracks out from Anakin's childhood to knock the Sith Lord tumbling back.

When with all the power that the dark side can draw from throughout the universe, Dooku hurls a jagged fragment of the durasteel table, Shmi Skywalker's gentle murmur I knew you would come for me, Anakin smashes it aside.

His head has been filled with the smoke from his smothered heart for far too long; it has been the thunder that darkens his mind. On Aargonar, on Jabiim, in the Tusken camp on Tatooine, that smoke had clouded his mind, had blinded him and left him flailing in the dark, a mindless machine of slaughter; but here now, within this ship, this microscopic cell of life in the infinite sterile desert of space, his firewalls have opened so that the terror and the rage are out there, in the fight instead of in his head, and Anakin's mind is clear as a crystal bell.

In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.

Decide.

So he does.

He decides to win.

He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade.

He reaches out and the Force catches it for him.

And then Anakin takes Dooku's other hand as well.'

Anakin was never able to recapture that clarity and power.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By the time of Sacking of Coruscent, Malgus had learned to control his emotions perfectly. He used his emotions to actually fuel his power of the dark side. Anakin was not capable of doing this when he dueled with Obi-Wan. There is no comparison.

He choked Padme before the duel but he did not knew that she would die. He still had hope for winning her back. He was not completely lost.

Yes, I am well aware of this. Malgus demonstrated exceptional control over his emotions during events of the Decieved.

Malgus used his distaste for Adraas to further feed his anger. He had requested that Darth Angral allow him to lead the attack alone, but Angral had insisted that Adraas lead the drop ship team.

Discarding his cloak, discarding the remaining restraints on his rage, Malgus joined the Sith charge, taking position before Adraas. Emotion fed his power, and its swell fairly lifted him from his feet. He felt the power of the dark side around him, within him.

He has vast experience and great command of the Force. He had one weakness; Eleena. He himself eliminated her so that she could not be used by others to exploit him emotionally.

Later on, he becomes even more powerful by doing this.

Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to e exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.

He turns his weakness in to a source of exceptional strength.

Yes

That is a weakness of Anakin. He lacks the exceptional command of the dark side by that time.

This is pretty much a wankfest on how awesome Malgus is. So I'm skipping it. If you want to talk Anakin vs Malgus, there is now a thread for it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Grievous is a physical brute but he cannot augment his physical strength with the Force. Get the point?

It doesn't matter. Because he's demonstrated himself stronger than anything Malgus has shown. You can speculate that Malgus can augment his strength beyond Grievous', but you cannot prove it at all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Like he nuetralized Oppress?

If Dooku augments his physical strength with the Force, so would Malgus. And Malgus would still have advantage because of his greater physical strength. There would be more power behind in his strokes in comparison to those of Count Dooku. Don't make half-@ssed assumptions.

No, like he nuetralized Anakin and Grievous's strength.

You're the one making half-assed assumptions. Malgus hasn't shown teh ability to augment his strength to that level. You're just assuming that he can do it without any proof at all. Weak. And you call me stupid.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right. And Malgus repeated it again during his raid in the resting place of Lord Adrass destroying all objects around him.

Ok, cool I guess......

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, Count Dooku is not superior in speed and technique. Malgus performs lots of acrobatics in his duels. Endurance will matter in this struggle.

Performing loads of acrobatics does not make you a skilled duelist. It makes you a gymnist. Dooku going by feats is the superior fighter and swordsman. And he is much faster than Malgus. Sidious and Yoda were capable of blitzing multiple Jedi Masters at once, Sidious when he killed those trying to arrest him, and Yoda when he was training in a flashback and evaded Jedi Masters with lightsabers with ease, plus Yoda was able to keep up and in fact, disarm Sidious is lightsaber combat, proving he can move as fast as Sidous. And Dooku was able to keep up with Yoda. Thsi proves that Dooku has Force Speed beyond Malgus'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Are you out of your mind?

Darth Malgus owned Lord Adrass, who was described in the form of black storm of energy.

Are you?

What does being a 'black storm of energy' even mean. Obviously thats simply hyperbole and a colorful metaphor. It doesn't make him impresive at all. All he demonstrated was the ability to use Force Lightning. The guy was trash.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, I don't. He is damn good but not exceptional. Count Dooku took good care of him.

Obi-Wan is very much exceptional. As Mace ut it, he was 'the master' of Soresu. And here is his fight against Grievous:

'So now, facing the tornado of annihilating energy that is Grievous's attack, Obi-Wan simply is who he is.

The electrodrivers powering Grievous's mechanical arms let each of the four attack thrice in a single second; integrated by combat algorithms in the bio-droid's electronic network of peripheral processors, each of the twelve strikes per second came from a different angle with different speed and intensity, an unpredictably broken rhythm of slashes, chops, and stabs of which every single one could take Obi-Wan's life. Not one touched him.

After all, he had often walked unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, defended only by the Force's direction of his blade; countering twelve blows per second was only difficult, not impossible. His blade wove an intricate web of angles and curves, never truly fast but always just fast enough, each motion of his lightsaber subtly interfering with three or four or eight of the general's strikes, the rest sizzling past him, his precise, minimal shifts of weight and stance slipping them by centimeters.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. A subtle shift in the angle of a single parry brought Obi-Wan's blade in contact not with the blade of the oncoming lightsaber, but with the handgrip. -slice-

The blade winked out of existence a hairbreadth before it would have burned through Obi-Wan's forehead. Half the severed lightsaber skittered away, along with the duranium thumb and first finger of the hand that had held it.

Grievous paused, eyes pulsing wide, then drawing narrow. He lifted his maimed hand and stared at the white-hot stumps that held now only half a useless lightsaber.

Obi-Wan smiled at him.

Grievous lunged.

Obi-Wan parried.

Pieces of lightsabers bounced on the durasteel deck.

Grievous looked down at the blade-sliced hunks of metal that were all he had left in his hands, then up at Obi-Wan's shining sky-colored blade, then down at his hands again, and then he seemed to suddenly remember that he had an urgent appointment somewhere else.

Anywhere else.'

But I'm sure you're just going to say that Grievous is no match for a truly powerful Jedi blah blah blah. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Irrelevant. That statement does not means much. There were some great Jedi Masters in that Order. However, every member was not exceptional. And this is apparent from canonical sources approved by Lucas himself.

How can that statement not mean much. Its from George ****ing Lucas, talking about the Jedi as being the pinnacle of their entire history. Yes, not every member is exceptional, but the three that Grievous defeated damn sure were.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Snipped for space

I never said he was slow or unskilled. But he is not a match for Dooku, as I have proven again and again.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Face palm intended? Are you DRUNK?

How come Yoda carry a large object on his back when he uses the Force to lift an X-Wing fighter or a senate Pod?

Damn man! You are indeed full of shit.

Are you questioning whether it actually happened? Because it did. What exactly was the point of this? Whats your reply? That its dumb? I agree its dumb. But its canon whether I like it or not. So shut up and accept it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You detest speculation but you yourself are in to them? Fine joke of a person you are.

Also, you think Master Yoda cannot defeat Count Dooku in lightsaber combat? 🙄

Only idiots will take you seriously now.

If he could, why did he not do that in AotC?

Think carefully before you reply.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is comparabe to likes of Galen in this regard, as apparent from information provided above. No one has beaten him or managed to disarm him in lightsaber combat, genius.

Comparable to Galen in what way?

And so what if no-ones defeated him in lightsaber combat? That only proves that he's fought opponents weaker than him. Does that mean he cannot be defeated by anyone? Get your mouth off Malgus' cyborg cock and think again.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch again. Vindican has more refined lightsaber skills then those of Oppress. He is also faster then Darth Maul.

Stop overhyping every Tom, D**k, and Harry of PT era Jedi who stood up to Count Dooku. Count Dooku is not the greatest duelist in Star Wars mythos.

I disagree. Oppress showed a great amount of skill when he faced down that hanger full of battle-droids. He must of been deflecting about 20 blaster bolts a second or something.

No, you stop overhyping every character from the KotOR-era. Count Dooku is one of the greatest duelists, which is why you need to be pretty ****ing special to be put above him in that regard.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Look at her opening moves. Those were shitty when she tried to hit the Count. She is not PERFECT.

Thats merely the way the Clone Wars characters fight. If you think its shitty, thats your deal. But in canon, she is an extremely capable swordsman.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oppress dueled much better then Assaj and overpowered Count Dooku in one instance. Of course, not every strike of his would do wonders. His performance was around 80% to that of Vindican in this video.

I would disagree personally, I think Asajj did better than him. I also think he would have kicked Vindicans ass.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus has disarmed stronger opponents. He even disarmed Satele Shan who would own Assaj in any scenario.

Not with the Force. Dooku is so powerful that he can completely dominate even powerful and skilled opponents like Asajj Ventress easily. You yourself were impressed by her, remember.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Count Dooku lacks the power to defeat Malgus.

This is your opinion. I've shown that he is, and that he will.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did any force powers stopped Malgus before? Not even those of Satele Shan who would own Count Dooku in combat.

You have reached the epitome of bullshitting now.

Erm, yes. At the end of the Hope video. Malgus was defeated, remember?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have been owned in these posts. You are not making any sense here. Just quit, looser.

I may be loose, but I'm not a looser. Whatever that is.

Anyway those pillars are easily 20 tons, and thats being conservative.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove how durable they are.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That was a blast door. It was designed to stop heavy blaster fire and other forms of penetration. And actually he was cutting through it pretty easily:

YouTube video

6.00

And you call that easy? It was taking time. In comparison, Malgus tore through that wider heavy machinery in seconds and without hacking and slashing through his lightsabers. His brute strength helped him in the process.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus this was 3000 years in the future of TOR. You can't compare the materials there to those in TORs time anymore than you can that of ours to thse used 3000 years in our past.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think theres been anything published yet that shows what they're made of. Of course, I don't know why you're asking me, its you who has to prove it was durable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A lightsaber can cut through something incredibly easily due to its insane cutting power without the use of strength behind it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think theres been anything published yet that shows what they're made of. Of course, I don't know why you're asking me, its you who has to prove it was durable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
haermm

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it was his lightsaber. At best strength would come into play by keeping his arm straight as his lightsaber cut through it, but not very much given the cutting power of a lightsaber.

Try to cut through a heavy machinery with the finest sword in the world like that and then give your feedback, if you can.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not as much as you think. Stop overhyping your favourite characters. Its demeaning.

Also, that advice of yours is applicable to you too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Your quote later on reveals thats a lie.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Really? Because the Trooper withstood the explosion just fine with nothing but armor. Was that explosion just not powerful?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh noes, the CRUSHING, it burns!

Hey, guess what? Thats 3000 years in the future from TOR! You cannot possibly compare a rocket from the Movie-era to that of the KotOR-era.

Get the picture?

Here is a question for you: If that rocket hit Darth Sidious, would he be dead?

Don't try to dismiss things with these pathetic excuses. I have posted another video before which also supports my assertions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obviously you meant to post a different quote, because that one doesn't show Malgus' armor withstanding a lightsaber strike at all. That he winces in pain proves that the attack got through it.

Also, here are some sweet details for you:

Then the Dark Lord laughed.

It was an awful sound, empty of humor and full of mockery. In it, the apprentice heard a decade and a half of torture and abuse.

Anger flared. He lunged forward. His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh.

Darth Vader reeled backward, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking.

Quoted from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed novel.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I count only once.

She leapt to her feet and unleashed a backhand crosscut at his throat. He got his blade free and vertical to parry it, but at the same time she pointed the blade end of Master Zallow’s lightsaber at Malgus and activated it.

He must have sensed his danger at the last moment for he slid partially aside. Still, the green line of Master Zallow’s blade pierced his armor and side and elicited a snarl of pain and rage. Before Aryn could follow up, Malgus drove an open hand into the side of her face.

And another one:

Malgus’s strength drove her to her knees. She held out her other hand and pulled Master Zallow’s blade to her hand, stabbed for his stomach with it.

Malgus sidestepped the stab, though it skinned his armor and showered sparks.

This makes it 3 just in Decieved only.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe you didn't read it:

'The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.'

The explosion was much larger and more destructive and Vader was right at the middle of it. That he was able to survive it is a testament to his durability.

And Vader survived because of the Force. His mechanical parts were damaged due to impact of the explosion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Heres a video if you need an image of how high up the dome was. Shattering it shows how powerful the explosion really was:

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Originally posted by Nephthys
And I never said he was you dweeb. Guess what, neither is Malgus!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also that image is blank.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those Warriors must have been pretty shite if they couldn't handle a few explosions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But we never actually see them destroyed by rocket blasts. So yeah, shut up.

[YOUUBE]YQf1nas8BO4[/YOUTUBE]

From 1:07 to 1:11, 3 rockets are fired which destroy an entire advancing column of the Sith forces including Sith Warriors, Droids, and Troops. This move clears the path for the Republic Troops to launch an attack on the Sith Forces.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am actually. Much smarter than you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And I will reply as I have before: You have shown precisely zero evidence that Malgus blocked that explosion with the Force. Do so or drop the point.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he's cooler? Because you have a hard-on for KotOR-era people? You've already dropped the pretext of objectivity when you posted an argument merely stating that he's badass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Irrelevent. Dooku has shown dealing very well against superior strength than Malgus', and boosting himself to a level beyond Malgus without much difficulty. Malgus has not demonstated the ability to surpass him in boosting his strength. Since this is your only argument for Malgus being able to win, you fail utterly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyone can be overpowered, including Malgus. Oppress is stronger than Malgus as I have proven and Dooku has dealt easily with opponents stronger than Malgus before.

Also, Oppress's defences are weak. He cannot withstand Force lightning attacks. Malgus could move through them and redirect them back at his opponents.

Do the math.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well if you don't know that Anakin has a robotic hand, then why are you even debating, lol. And my point was flawless thank you very much. If not, explain to me the flaws.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Here we can see Anakin tear apart droids with his bare hands

You even understand the meaning of bare hands? You knew he was using a robotic hand to perform that feat.

So much for Anakin being a hulkster. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again he choked someone to death. Theres nothing in there indicating he broke the mans neck. I remain unimpressed.

He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi’s brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

In this case, Malgus used his physical strength to strangulate that Jedi with bare hand.

He returned his gaze to Zallow and stalked toward him, his rage and power surging before him in a palpable wave. Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi’s insufficient defenses, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved toward Zallow.

In this case, Malgus used the Force to choke that Jedi to death.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How do I know? I actually read the novelisation:

A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.

It is that simple, and that complex.

And it is final.

Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.

The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku & Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.

And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.

The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos.

Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.

Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke.

It is this knowledge that shows him his death, makes him handle it, turn it this way and that in his mind, examine it in detail like a black gemstone so cold it burns. Dooku's elegant farce has degenerated into bathetic melodrama, and not one shed tear will mark the passing of its hero.

But for Anakin, in the fight there is only terror, and rage.

Only he stands between death and the two men he loves best in all the world, and he can no longer afford to hold anything back. That imaginary dead-star dragon tries its best to freeze away his strength, to whisper him that Dooku has beaten him before, that Dooku has all the power of the darkness, to remind him how Dooku took his hand, how Dooku could strike down even Obi-Wan himself seemingly without effort and now Anakin is all alone and he will never be a match for any Lord of the Sith-But Palpatine's words rage is your weapon have given Anakin permission to unseal the shielding around his furnace heart, and all his fears and all his doubts shrivel in its flame.

When Count Dooku flies at him, blade flashing, Watto's fist cracks out from Anakin's childhood to knock the Sith Lord tumbling back.

When with all the power that the dark side can draw from throughout the universe, Dooku hurls a jagged fragment of the durasteel table, Shmi Skywalker's gentle murmur I knew you would come for me, Anakin smashes it aside.

His head has been filled with the smoke from his smothered heart for far too long; it has been the thunder that darkens his mind. On Aargonar, on Jabiim, in the Tusken camp on Tatooine, that smoke had clouded his mind, had blinded him and left him flailing in the dark, a mindless machine of slaughter; but here now, within this ship, this microscopic cell of life in the infinite sterile desert of space, his firewalls have opened so that the terror and the rage are out there, in the fight instead of in his head, and Anakin's mind is clear as a crystal bell.

In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.

Decide.

So he does.

He decides to win.

He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade.

He reaches out and the Force catches it for him.

And then Anakin takes Dooku's other hand as well.'

Anakin was never able to recapture that clarity and power.

Malgus has demonstrated the capability in the Decieved to use both of these important aspects to fuel his power. And he becomes virtually unstoppable with these in his final duel. He feels as if he is the Force under these aspects.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is pretty much a wankfest on how awesome Malgus is. So I'm skipping it. If you want to talk Anakin vs Malgus, there is now a thread for it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It doesn't matter. Because he's demonstrated himself stronger than anything Malgus has shown. You can speculate that Malgus can augment his strength beyond Grievous', but you cannot prove it at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, like he nuetralized Anakin and Grievous's strength.

You're the one making half-assed assumptions. Malgus hasn't shown teh ability to augment his strength to that level. You're just assuming that he can do it without any proof at all. Weak. And you call me stupid.

And Greivous is no match for Malgus and Anakin with these traits. Use your brain.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Performing loads of acrobatics does not make you a skilled duelist. It makes you a gymnist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku going by feats is the superior fighter and swordsman. And he is much faster than Malgus.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious and Yoda were capable of blitzing multiple Jedi Masters at once, Sidious when he killed those trying to arrest him, and Yoda when he was training in a flashback and evaded Jedi Masters with lightsabers with ease, plus Yoda was able to keep up and in fact, disarm Sidious is lightsaber combat, proving he can move as fast as Sidous.

Yoda is better duelist then Sidious.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Dooku was able to keep up with Yoda. Thsi proves that Dooku has Force Speed beyond Malgus'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you?

What does being a 'black storm of energy' even mean. Obviously thats simply hyperbole and a colorful metaphor. It doesn't make him impresive at all. All he demonstrated was the ability to use Force Lightning. The guy was trash.

Adraas growled as he climbed to his feet. Power gathered around him, a black storm of energy, and he leapt at Malgus, his blade held high.

From SWTOR:

Under the command of Lord Angral, the Sith fleet approaches the Republic’s capital planet for the first time in centuries. In advance of the fleet, the strongest Sith Warriors have flown a stolen Republic ship into Coruscant’s orbit. Their mission is critical – to destroy the planet’s defense grid mainframe hidden in the heart of the Jedi Temple.

Malgus and Adraas were specially chosen for this campaign by the high command. You think that the Sith Empire would send trash to attack Jedi Temple (The very seat of Jedi power)?

This is Lord Adraas:

He is powerful:

He watched Lord Adraas leap into the middle of a squad of Republic soldiers and punctuate his landing with an explosion of Force energy that cast the soldiers away like dry leaves.

He also destroyed that ground in the process.

He is a skilled duelist and is capable of unleashing powerful blasts of Force lightning.

Adraas snarled and held forth his left hand. Force lightning crackled from his fingertips, filled the space between them.

He is not trash.

I suspect that Malgus's next target would be Lord Angral.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan is very much exceptional. As Mace ut it, he was 'the master' of Soresu. And here is his fight against Grievous:

'So now, facing the tornado of annihilating energy that is Grievous's attack, Obi-Wan simply is who he is.

The electrodrivers powering Grievous's mechanical arms let each of the four attack thrice in a single second; integrated by combat algorithms in the bio-droid's electronic network of peripheral processors, each of the twelve strikes per second came from a different angle with different speed and intensity, an unpredictably broken rhythm of slashes, chops, and stabs of which every single one could take Obi-Wan's life. Not one touched him.

After all, he had often walked unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, defended only by the Force's direction of his blade; countering twelve blows per second was only difficult, not impossible. His blade wove an intricate web of angles and curves, never truly fast but always just fast enough, each motion of his lightsaber subtly interfering with three or four or eight of the general's strikes, the rest sizzling past him, his precise, minimal shifts of weight and stance slipping them by centimeters.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. A subtle shift in the angle of a single parry brought Obi-Wan's blade in contact not with the blade of the oncoming lightsaber, but with the handgrip. -slice-

The blade winked out of existence a hairbreadth before it would have burned through Obi-Wan's forehead. Half the severed lightsaber skittered away, along with the duranium thumb and first finger of the hand that had held it.

Grievous paused, eyes pulsing wide, then drawing narrow. He lifted his maimed hand and stared at the white-hot stumps that held now only half a useless lightsaber.

Obi-Wan smiled at him.

Grievous lunged.

Obi-Wan parried.

Pieces of lightsabers bounced on the durasteel deck.

Grievous looked down at the blade-sliced hunks of metal that were all he had left in his hands, then up at Obi-Wan's shining sky-colored blade, then down at his hands again, and then he seemed to suddenly remember that he had an urgent appointment somewhere else.

Anywhere else.'

But I'm sure you're just going to say that Grievous is no match for a truly powerful Jedi blah blah blah. 🙄

Grievous is good. You don't need to tell me this. However, he can defeated. He has been bested by several skilled Jedi and Sith: Kit Fisto, Obi-Wan, Count Dooku, Assaj, and Nahdar Vebb.

Assaj was right about Grievous. While Count Dooku taught him to use Lightsaber, he was not comparable to skilled Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How can that statement not mean much. Its from George ****ing Lucas, talking about the Jedi as being the pinnacle of their entire history. Yes, not every member is exceptional, but the three that Grievous defeated damn sure were.

Many Jedi were unable to block blaster fire. Droids kicked their @ss. OMG! The awesomeness. 🙄

The Golden Age of Jedi can have various meanings.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said he was slow or unskilled. But he is not a match for Dooku, as I have proven again and again.

Let's cut down these middle-men Sith, the real thread should be made:

Thrilla in Manila 2: Neph vs. Legend

Too soon, man. Too soon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you questioning whether it actually happened? Because it did. What exactly was the point of this? Whats your reply? That its dumb? I agree its dumb. But its canon whether I like it or not. So shut up and accept it.

If Jedi really focus, they can perform incredible feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If he could, why did he not do that in AotC?

Think carefully before you reply.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Comparable to Galen in what way?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And so what if no-ones defeated him in lightsaber combat? That only proves that he's fought opponents weaker than him. Does that mean he cannot be defeated by anyone? Get your mouth off Malgus' cyborg cock and think again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree. Oppress showed a great amount of skill when he faced down that hanger full of battle-droids. He must of been deflecting about 20 blaster bolts a second or something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, you stop overhyping every character from the KotOR-era. Count Dooku is one of the greatest duelists, which is why you need to be pretty ****ing special to be put above him in that regard.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats merely the way the Clone Wars characters fight. If you think its shitty, thats your deal. But in canon, she is an extremely capable swordsman.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I would disagree personally, I think Asajj did better than him. I also think he would have kicked Vindicans ass.

Also, Assaj showed her abilities in the final scene with Dooku. She was good there. However, Dooku disarmed her with his Force powers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not with the Force. Dooku is so powerful that he can completely dominate even powerful and skilled opponents like Asajj Ventress easily. You yourself were impressed by her, remember.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is your opinion. I've shown that he is, and that he will.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Erm, yes. At the end of the Hope video. Malgus was defeated, remember?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I may be loose, but I'm not a looser. Whatever that is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyway those pillars are easily 20 tons, and thats being conservative.

This Bus is 40 foot long and 10 tons.

http://platicasnocturnas.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/greyhound-bus.jpg

This Bus alone is bigger in mass, even if all those pillars are combined.

Ok, so I asked some good folks who know math and calculate wieghts alot in their section of KMC. And the rough weight I got back for those stones was about 210 tons. haermm

I told you I was being conservative.

Edit: The reason is that they have much more mass than the bus, which is mostly a lightweight frame on top of an engine and wheels. By comparison, the pillars are completely solid. And rock is very heavy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok, so I asked some good folks who know math and calculate wieghts alot in their section of KMC. And the rough weight I got back for those stones was about 210 tons. haermm

I told you I was being conservative.

Edit: The reason is that they have much more mass than the bus, which is mostly a lightweight frame on top of an engine and wheels. By comparison, the pillars are completely solid. And rock is very heavy.

The total weight of Statue of Liberty is at 225 tons (without concrete foundation) and it is considerably bigger then all of those stones combined which Dooku lifted.

These are the stones:

Count Dooku lifted 6 large stones and 4 small stones in total.

Naw look at this comparable example:

http://www.stonecarving7th.com/garden/statue_10.html

Each statue is 7 feet tall and weighs 800 kg. These are comparable in size to those large stones lifted by Count Dooku. The smaller stones would be much lighter; around 300 - 400 kg.

Total estimated weight lifted by Count Dooku is around 6400 kg of mass realistically. 7000 kg being maximum possible at those sizes.

You're way off:

Picture of an 8 ton boulder.

Picture of a 100 ton boulder.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're way off:

Picture of an 8 ton boulder.

Picture of a 100 ton boulder.

Those are boulders and they are considerably bulkier in mass in comparison to those thin stones lifted by Count Dooku. Use your eyes.

The stone statues which I used for comparison are valid references for those stones lifted by Count Dooku.

Those 'thin stones' were taller by at the very least half again than Dooku, who's 1.9 meters tall and broader than his shoulders at every point save the very tops. Even the small ones were chest height.

We're looking at about 3 tons for the small ones and about 10-20 for the big ones.

The stone statues you posted were likely hollow.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those 'thin stones' were taller by at the very least half again than Dooku, who's 1.9 meters tall and broader than his shoulders at every point save the very tops. Even the small ones were chest height.

We're looking at about 3 tons for the small ones and about 20 for the big ones.

The stone statues you posted were likely hollow.

Those large stones are around 7 feet tall actually or slightly taller. And mass wise, they are comparable to those 7 feet tall statues that I showed above.

Here is the best angle:

None of those stones can weigh as much as you claim.

You are unusally exaggerating here.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Look carefully. The angles of the camera are actually tricky.

Those large stones are around 7 feet tall actually.

Here is the best angle:

None of those stones can weigh as much as you claim.

You are unusally exaggerating here.

How the hell is that the best angle? Its crap, you can't even see the ground. And even then you can see they're bigger than that by comparison to Opress, who is 2.23 meters tall according to Wookiepedia.

Imo, this is the best angle and this is what I'm going by:

I'm taking this from the word of people I trust to get these things right. They've been calculating weights of objects for years.