Originally posted by quanchi112
Just to make it clear despite having the most powerful wand in existence he still was losing against Voldemort.
Claim your filmy-film proof. No where did I see this in any Harry Potter movie. The only time Voldemort gets close to being one on one with Dumbledore is in #5, and Dumbles only needs to pull out some of his stops to finish it.
I seem to remember there being a very large plot point in HBP wherein Voldemort orders SOMEONE ELSE to kill Dumbledore; he's to afraid to get in that situation himself!!
Originally posted by siriuswriterThe only time these guys go at it is number 5. Voldemort isn't backing down he goes right for him. Voldemort only leaves due to the orders showing up and it being like 8-1. He was rocking him. Dumbledore looked scared of him as well.
Claim your filmy-film proof. No where did I see this in any Harry Potter movie. The only time Voldemort gets close to being one on one with Dumbledore is in #5, and Dumbles only needs to pull out some of his stops to finish it.I seem to remember there being a very large plot point in HBP wherein Voldemort orders SOMEONE ELSE to kill Dumbledore; he's to afraid to get in that situation himself!!
Why would Voldemort run around doing his dirty work when he can have his slaves do it for him. Dumbledore gave up his life. He knew he couldn't best Voldemort in battle.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The only time these guys go at it is number 5. Voldemort isn't backing down he goes right for him. Voldemort only leaves due to the orders showing up and it being like 8-1.
The only reason this duel is not a duel is because Harry is involved. Voldemort had to make a "last resort" move - possessing Harry. He couldn't even do that for five minutes straight.
Why would Voldemort run around doing his dirty work when he can have his slaves do it for him. Dumbledore gave up his life. He knew he couldn't best Voldemort in battle.
Negative. In film 6, Voldemort comes to be a teacher at Hogwarts, and Dumbledore sees through his veener. He says that he's surprised that Voldemort has showed up by himself, and comments, saying, "Aren't your friends, Dolohov and [forgot name]" down in the Hog's Head, waiting your return?"
Voldemort only does the dirty work that is important [and that he, himself, must do in order for it to work. Example? Horcruxes. Voldemort can't order a Death Eater to commit murder and then take his Death Eater's Horcrux.
And by the way, they're not slaves. I seem to remember Mrs. Malfoy and Draco being able to re-put themselves back into every day wizard life, because she didn't tell on Harry - that he wasn't actually dead. That'd be movie 7 part two, for those who are counting.
Was it important to kill Dumbledore to Voldemort? Of course.
Could he have done it?
No.
Why do I say this?
Because Voldemort had chances - from that day he came to apply for a professor-ship [movie 6 flashback] on to the ultimate fight in the Ministry of Magic [movie 5] to kill Dumbledore. This is a time period of over fifty years.
And he hadn't yet.
So, AGAIN, he makes someone else do it. Because he CAN'T. Because he's SCARED.
Originally posted by siriuswriterIn order of the phoenix in the movie he leaves because the orders show up. That's a fact this has nothing to do with this thread I am merely stating a fact.
Uhhh.... no. The Order is down for the count - the Death Eaters took care of them. You stated this before [I can bring up the quote if you like.]The only reason this duel is not a duel is because Harry is involved. Voldemort had to make a "last resort" move - possessing Harry. He couldn't even do that for five minutes straight.
[b]Why would Voldemort run around doing his dirty work when he can have his slaves do it for him. Dumbledore gave up his life. He knew he couldn't best Voldemort in battle.
Negative. In film 6, Voldemort comes to be a teacher at Hogwarts, and Dumbledore sees through his veener. He says that he's surprised that Voldemort has showed up by himself, and comments, saying, "Aren't your friends, Dolohov and [forgot name]" down in the Hog's Head, waiting your return?"Voldemort only does the dirty work that is important [and that he, himself, must do in order for it to work. Example? Horcruxes. Voldemort can't order a Death Eater to commit murder and then take his Death Eater's Horcrux.
And by the way, they're not slaves. I seem to remember Mrs. Malfoy and Draco being able to re-put themselves back into every day wizard life, because she didn't tell on Harry - that he wasn't actually dead. That'd be movie 7 part two, for those who are counting.
Was it important to kill Dumbledore to Voldemort? Of course.
Could he have done it?
No.
Why do I say this?
Because Voldemort had chances - from that day he came to apply for a professor-ship [movie 6 flashback] on to the ultimate fight in the Ministry of Magic [movie 5] to kill Dumbledore. This is a time period of over fifty years.
And he hadn't yet.So, AGAIN, he makes someone else do it. Because he CAN'T. Because he's SCARED. [/B]
That wasn't a last ditch effort he changed tactics the entire fight which is what great fighters do when something isn't working. He also put Dumbledore on his ass with a weaker wand whereas Dumbledore didn't phase him in the slightest.
Both Dumbledore and Voldemort were protected so they had to pick their moments. Voldemort was the wizard everyone feared including Dumbledore. People wouldn't even speak his name and at the end of the order of the phoenix the situation presented itself for Voldemort and he tried to kill Dumbledore before more backup showed up. Did you see his face too when he saw Voldemort...the life drained from his face. That's called forcing your will upon an entire wizarding world.
They were still his slaves just rebellious slaves. They were weak and couldn't confront him but only did so through treachery.
The entire world was scared of Voldemort while Dumbledore was so scared he forced his friend to kill him so he didn't have to fact Voldemort again. What a weenie.
Voldemort ftw.
Originally posted by siriuswriterVoldemort was winning the battle in the films as Dumbledore was on his ass. Voldemort was in control and while Dumbledore didn't die he was still on his butthole when Voldemort decided to possess Harry. I love Albus' scared look on his face. The guy was so happy the orders showed up he was just sitting there while Voldemort was talking down to Harry.
okay, number one? we speak footage, not "just cuz i said so." you clearly hold the burden of proof here, as no one else agrees with you.Imma gonna answer your little post in the morning, I'm watching GLEE and even you aren't going to spoil that. 😄
I agree that Dumbledore has an, "Oh shit!" moment, but he does recover.
Possessing Harry is a last resort move because Voldemort's trying to catch Dumble's bluff - "I thought you said that Harry would beat me! Well, I suppose if you decide to kill him, you could kill me... and that's what you want most, isn't it?"
And even though he wouldn't really be dead, it counts as a KO because he'll have to wander around in spirit form forever - the trick with the snake and the bone and the blood in Goblet of Fire was a one-time thing.
I think we've seen different movies. Again, the burden of proof is on you. Go get some footage and I might begin to see you as a credible resource. "Because I said so," is rotten debate tactic. I did debate in high school - I know this stuff.