Mito Uzumaki vs Kisame Hoshigaki (w/the Samahada)

Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v58/c544/14.html

"You're only the second person to dodge my top-speed punch."

Bee didn't dodge it, he matched it. 131

WHEW!

Good thing a Lariat isn't a punch then, right?

And good thing a lariat isn't a speed attack but a power attack.

And good thing they both ran at eachother fully intending to hit each other rather than dodge each other, right?

Glad I dodged that bullet because you almost had me.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If there is a difference in speed between A and Bee, it isn't very large.

I agree, oh wait...

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/543/6

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not sure what you mean.

I explain in my very next statement why picking which two authorities you would choose, is a false dilema.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Or it could be both. 🙂 The notion that A, despite being in his second level Lightning Release form, was going slower than normal, has no backing.

The notion that it mattered when they were going right at each other and did not intend to dodge and the fact that it is all about power, is the point so, no, it is not both.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That said, I did misremember the flashback, I'll admit that.

Why did you turn into a panzy of a debater...constantly admitting when you're wrong.

You're taking the fun out of everything. 😐

Originally posted by NemeBro
You said KCM grants superior physical stats to Bee.

I had to read back on my post to understand what you meant: object confusion from the English language again...so it required context.

I now understand that what you meant to say above is this:

"You said KCM grants physical stats superior to Bee."

It sure does. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
Strength? Demonstratably not.

Prove it.

Because that is not a position you can prove.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Durability? Bee took the Lariat to the neck while overpower it, compared to Naruto who admitted that at full contact being hit by A would screw him. Do note Naruto said this concerning an A who was still in his "calmer" Lightning Shroud.

So you still think that a punch from A is the same as his lariat when they are "Demonstratably not."?

Clotheslining someone is not punching them. A's punch is obviously far stronger than his lariat: see Madara's beat down (lol)

I'd say that A's punches are far more destructive than his lariat. His lariat is only a combo move used more for ensuring that the host and the raikage are in tune with each other. It was far more metaphorical than it was a literally useful technique. Why would you decap someone with your arms when you could cut their head off with your sword? Simple...there's more to a DL than being cool looking...something deeper than a superficial reading.

I note psycho stopped answering after his questions were answered and ones were asked in return 🙂

I *suspect* this means he'll just not mention it for awhile and then be back to moaning and groaning as usual ^^

you can't confirm mito's abilities other than her ability to detect evil intent. what do you want from me now?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you can't confirm mito's abilities other than her ability to detect evil intent. what do you want from me now?

V----V

Q99
This has been covered a couple times now.

Either KCM does (sense evil), or two people have the exact same prerequisites for the same incredibly rare ability yet somehow get it via different means.

We know that drawing on kyuubi chakra without the mode draws in the Kyuubi's evil and makes one beastial, which rather precludes being a good sensor- no prior level granted any sensor ability at all, let alone the highest forum of sensor ability in the world. We also know that being able to draw upon the chakra without the mind is what lets you get as much as you need and thus KCM.

Do you have any evidence supporting this 'coincidental different methods to get a nigh-unique ability' hypothesis of yours? Because that's the conclusion you're jumping to.

lol.. can you even post a pic of her with the sage-cloak? any feats of her using kyuubi chackra or enhanced stats? no, so give it a rest.

kushina has the ability to allow naruto to gain the ability, yet she herself didn't have it. it's not a set pattern even amongst kyuubi jinchuriki, for all we know hashirama could have had something to do with his wife's ability to suppress the kyuubi's hate, matter fact, im going to run with that, prove me wrong.

smh

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol.. can you even post a pic of her with the sage-cloak? any feats of her using kyuubi chackra or enhanced stats? no, so give it a rest.

I can post her being directly stated to have an ability only known to come from KCM, a mode that we have a lot of details on how it works and functions.

kushina has the ability to allow naruto to gain the ability, yet she herself didn't have it.

Yes, but it only comes with sufficient mastery, to state the obvious.

Naruto couldn't do it until he achieved KCM, and we have no sign Kushina achieved KCM. So, there's no evidence that Kushina had it (though if you could show she did, that would be worth considering).

This has already been answered, y'know?

it's not a set pattern even amongst kyuubi jinchuriki, for all we know hashirama could have had something to do with his wife's ability to suppress the kyuubi's hate, matter fact, im going to run with that,

....which'd allow her to take control of it's full chakra, and thus have Kyuubi Chaka Mode 🙂

The lack of the hatred is what allows someone to draw upon the great well of chakra without transforming.

That's pretty much how Naruto gained it too, others helped him suppress the hatred.

That may very well be how she gained it, but once the hatred is gone, bam, that's all you need to draw upon the power without going beastial, aka KCM.

prove me wrong.

Oh, yea, one more thing: We're working on preponderance of evidence here, not "beyond reasonable doubt." If someone posts a crazy theory, they need to support it, it doesn't go assumed.

Granted, your theory isn't crazy... it just also happens to be a theory that doesn't suggest she lacks it, being more about how she got the mode and that suggests her having the mode, rather than an alternative to having KCM.

Right now, we still only know one way to gain evil sensing: Kyuubi Chakra Mode. If you can produce an explanation better than simply having that, then you'll get somewhere.

again, lol

minato's 8-trigrams seal most likely isn't the same one mito used on herself way back when, so to allow herself to know when tobi was going to come after her, maybe she rigged her seal to allow herself to sense evil; it goes with what we know and minato (a guy who learned seals from the uzumaki) was able to do wonders with his seals too.

i'm not cosigning her having the cloak, and if i indicated that it was accidental as i was typing that while cooking something

Originally posted by psycho gundam
again, lol

minato's 8-trigrams seal most likely isn't the same one mito used on herself way back when, so to allow herself to know when tobi was going to come after her, maybe she rigged her seal to allow herself to sense evil; it goes with what we know and minato (a guy who learned seals from the uzumaki) was able to do wonders with his seals too.

That's a lot of "maybe", and want to know what Kyuubi Chakra Mode is? Rigging the seal so it gets the power and not the evil... in other words, what you just said is "maybe she rigged her seal to give herself KCM."

In fact, just like the last example, that's pretty much what Naruto did when he got KCM, he rigged his seal so he could get the chakra without the evil, which allowed him to sense evil.

"Maybe Mito rigged the seal" still isn't an alternate explanation for how someone could sense evil without doing so, it's just another explanation that fits with how to get the mode and doesn't suggest an alternate origin of the sensing. As far as we know the only way to sense evil is large amounts of kyuubi chakra uncontaminated by it's mind and evil, and both your ideas would come with the Kyuubi's power.

So that's two explanations so far which boil down to "Here are ways she could have the evil sensing which also line up with KCM" and don't actually suggest an alternate explanation besides KCM for the sensing on it's own rather than just having KCM.

Care for three?

care to hold deez nuts?
i was just throwing out equally valid speculations.

Originally posted by Q99
Rigging the seal so it gets the power and not the evil... in other words, what you just said is "maybe she rigged her seal to give herself KCM."

anyway, nothing's concrete about her abilities and kishi might not even get around to elaborating on her character, unless you're kishi i don't see why you're so certain about all this.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
care to hold deez nuts?
i was just throwing out equally valid speculations.

Speculation that doesn't actually indicate another possibility is more likely than KCM, and in fact fit in just fine with the KCM conclusion, and further more both your 'speculations' are pretty much exactly how Naruto got KCM (other people helped him suppress the evil then he messed with his seal).

So they aren't very good arguments for how she *doesn't* have KCM 🙂

anyway, nothing's concrete about her abilities and kishi might not even get around to elaborating on her character, unless you're kishi i don't see why you're so certain about all this.

Again, didn't say we were certain. Just that this is the most likely state with the known knowledge (just like, literally, over a half dozen other listed people that just came off the top of the head last time this was pointed out).

The problem is you keep on bringing it up repeatedly... and you can't actually back up your objections by bringing up any alternative that doesn't fit KCM even better.

mito's evil sense doesn't necessarily = rikkudo mode

that is basically the only point i want to make about her on-panel showings. her off-panel speculative ability...kisame could still whoop that ass holding back his trump card.

come at me

Originally posted by psycho gundam
mito's evil sense doesn't necessarily = rikkudo mode

We don't know any other things that grant evil sense though and she has all the prereqs for KCM to boot. We don't have a more likely explanation. In fact, we only have evidence pointing to one explanation at all, even if it is the only datapoint.

that is basically the only point i want to make about her on-panel showings.

Yea, and everyone knows it, but you still insist on regularly making a big fuss about her being on the list.

her off-panel speculative ability...kisame could still whoop that ass holding back his trump card.

I do disagree on his ability to beat a KCM user w/master sealing 🙂

Mostly because of how broken KCM clones are.

there you go again 🙄

That is what you get for making a thread like this.

fine, i don't want to talk about this dumb shit anymore

Originally posted by psycho gundam
care to hold deez nuts?

crylaugh

Originally posted by psycho gundam
unless you're kishi i don't see why you're so certain about all this.

That...

Would explain a few things. Like how adamant she is about Konan having S-Class feats.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
fine, i don't want to talk about this dumb shit anymore

And then in a week or two you'll post again complaining about how Mito's on the list and pretending this whole thing didn't happen 😄