Originally posted by theICONiac
Try reading my posts again. If the comprehension is still lacking maybe a third time would be the charm??
Try reading the OP and various posts in the thread, again. If it still does not click why your post was irrelevant, it won't be worth trying to figure it out again, either.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
30 years that many of them spent as slaves in all but name thanks to sharecropping. More than a few freed slaves had no choice but to go right back to their owners.
That's a much better choice than starving and freezing to death in the streets while being treated like the lowest scum of the earth. Sign me up for sharecropping.
Originally posted by Mindship
Long live Techno!
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Originally posted by Stoic
hmmm, I didn't know how deep it actually went thanks for the lesson (not being sarcastic, I really didn't know). The thing here is that the struggle continues for blacks even today, a very good friend of mine, who happens to be a part time Bus Driver, and prominent business man had to restrain himself from breaking a South African mans neck, for calling him kaffa. The South African man told him "hey kaffa, go and fetch my bags". Instead of stomp raping him, my buddy threw him off of the bus.My point being, is that the bullshit, is still going strong. I for the life of me can't tell what causes one person to hate another by just looking at the color of their skin. I used to think that perhaps it was because of a domination game, but as you just pointed out in you post above, things may be more complex than what I may believe.
I'm mixed, I'm American Indian, and Black and not to go on a tangent of whoa is me and all of that shit, I just wanted to share something with you that happened to me as a child.
I was born in Jersey, and raised in Montreal, I went to a school that was predominantly filled with Greek children. One day instead of taking the school bus, my mom drove me to school. One of the Greek children, walked up to me, and began to laugh, and told me that my mother was an ugly monkey. She wasn't of course, my mom was exceptionally good looking in her younger days, she was a model even.
If I were to analyze why a child would, or had that type of thing in their hearts, I would say that racism is perpetual, and that it is handed down from parents to children. So even though slavery has been abolished, statistically speaking, blacks are still in chains. Lower wages for the same jobs, makes it hard for black people to leave the ghettos.
My grand mother lives in the ghetto, and she pays more property taxes than my ex boss, who lives in an affluent community. the treatment is blatant, and in some cases, as clear as day.
Look at Birmingham Alabama for instance, up until 2 years ago, black children and white children were not allowed to go to school dances, or attend proms together.
In my opinion, and if I were to vote on the winner of the take it in the ass, with an exploding Firecracker Award, I'd say African American's win by a land slide.
I knew you were black...but would have never guessed you were also part Native American. So you go the blood of the two worst treated lineages in America? U mad, bro? 😆
I also am black. However, I'm also part Italian, Native American, Jewish, and Armenian. I'm also a woman and a lesbian. I get my "blackness" from a man from darfur in Sudan.
So I'm literally have the blood of the most oppressed person ever born.
I'm also not serious.
I'd say that the Native Americans had it the worst, though, than the African Americans. I'd choose slavery over death in most cases.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Believe it or not...electronica owes its actual roots to African slaves! GASPITY! Dem hard BEATS, boy!
considering the hip-hop/reggae influence, I don't see how that is hard to believe
I did take a course on the spirituality of blacks in the slave diaspora, I think you are actually playing down how much of their culture they were able to hold onto
Originally posted by dadudemon
Try reading the OP and various posts in the thread, again. If it still does not click why your post was irrelevant, it won't be worth trying to figure it out again, either.
Lessee if we can figure out where the disconnect is here between the hypothesis I proposed and you inability to comprehend it. I'll break it down in its simplist terms:
dadudemon (in the OP): Quote - "So, how is that possible for such a heavily discriminated against people to rise from the ashes in such a short period of time? Basically, why is there such a difference between Italian Americans and African Americans? What factors from and for each group lead to their differing socioeconomic statuses?"
ICON: One major difference is the family/community dynamic Italians have that is lacking in other cultural groups (ie Irish/English/Scots and blacks). This helped Italians to become established quicker/greater prosperity
dadudemon: Quote - "It looks like you're basing your opinion on "tight familial bonds" off of one too many mafia movies and The Sopranos."
ICON: Nope, this is based on personal observations of 1st/2nd gen Italian Canadians
dadudemon: Quote - "Okay, so your entire point contained in this post is irrelevant to not only this thread but the post you replied to."
ICON: emot-vsuicide
Does this make it any clearer what I am trying to get at?
Originally posted by inimalist
considering the hip-hop/reggae influence, I don't see how that is hard to believeI did take a course on the spirituality of blacks in the slave diaspora, I think you are actually playing down how much of their culture they were able to hold onto
I don't understand your last statement.
Reword it.
Because i think they held on to more of their culture than most people believe.
I've taken 2 courses and I am in another course, currently, that covers African American history (current one is focused on negro spirituals, their music, and it's "original" influences). So I win, right? Appeal to Expert, right?
Originally posted by theICONiac
Lessee if we can figure out where the disconnect is here between the hypothesis I proposed and you inability to comprehend it. I'll break it down in its simplist terms:dadudemon (in the OP): Quote - "So, how is that possible for such a heavily discriminated against people to rise from the ashes in such a short period of time? Basically, why is there such a difference between Italian Americans and African Americans? What factors from and for each group lead to their differing socioeconomic statuses?"
ICON: One major difference is the family/community dynamic Italians have that is lacking in other cultural groups (ie Irish/English/Scots and blacks). This helped Italians to become established quicker/greater prosperity
dadudemon: Quote - "It looks like you're basing your opinion on "tight familial bonds" off of one too many mafia movies and The Sopranos."
ICON: Nope, this is based on personal observations of 1st/2nd gen Italian Canadians
dadudemon: Quote - "Okay, so your entire point contained in this post is irrelevant to not only this thread but the post you replied to."
ICON: emot-vsuicide
Does this make it any clearer what I am trying to get at?
Thank you for showing what I already knew. And, sorry, you still don't get it. I am under no obligation to show you why you are not getting it, either.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't understand your last statement.Reword it.
Because i think they held on to more of their culture than most people believe.
I've taken 2 courses and I am in another course, currently, that covers African American history (current one is focused on negro spirituals, their music, and it's "original" influences). So I win, right? Appeal to Expert, right?
I wasn't trying to argue a point with you...
I guess it appeared as if you were saying they didn't retain a lot of their culture
Originally posted by inimalist
I wasn't trying to argue a point with you...I guess it appeared as if you were saying they didn't retain a lot of their culture
You sure?
Originally posted by dadudemon
If you think African Americans didn't carry over their religion or customs, you'd be wrong (ambiguous you). In fact, someone made the case (I believe, successfully) that all of our modern music (pop music) gets their drum beats/tracks from an African influence. That's awesome.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you're correct. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't complete annihilation. Thanks to their traditions, we have things like "western voodoo" and ...well........pretty much all modern music. Believe it or not...electronica owes its actual roots to African slaves! GASPITY! Dem hard BEATS, boy!
Re: Italian Americans vs. African Americans.
Originally posted by dadudemonThe comparison I have been confronted with a few times within my life were the comparison of African Americans and Jews or African Americans and Native Americans. None the less the differences are the same when comparing African Americans to any other group of people on our planet. African Americans were stripped from there homeland, language, culture, history and identity. This was done strategically to keep him brain washed of who he really was. The effects of it still haunts him to this very day. He was also targeted for his skin color, in which he could not change or blend in to another society if he wanted to. Although Blacks were not the only ones targeted for there physical appearances. Italians are still a branch of the white race. Over time after being Americanized they can physically blend in with society and deny there heritage if they choose to. Blacks did not and still don't have that luxuary. When comparing Blacks to any other groups of people on the planet, he is looked at as being inferior to them all. Not just because he was brainwashed, but because the world itself has been brainwashed as well, by those who re write history as they see fit.
In my history class, we were tasked with researching and writing about how poorly Italian Americans were treated. I did not know how truly poorly they were treated until I dug into the research. Some of it is just awful. Reminded me of the treatment of African Americans and in some ways it was worse.They were discrimnated against (true), lynched (true), routinely denied jobs and education because of their ethnicity (true), were persecuted because of their religion (true...Americans didn't like Catholics for obvious reasons), came to America at the bottom of the social totem pole (true), and were relegated to very low-paying blue-collar jobs (true). Yet, as early as 1990, 30 of Italians were managers or professionals and 35% were white-collar. http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/ancestry/Italian.txt
So, how is that possible for such a heavily discriminated against people to rise from the ashes in such a short period of time?
Basically, why is there such a difference between Italian Americans and African Americans? What factors from and for each group lead to their differing socioeconomic statuses?
I actually had many reasons for the differences. But I wanted to read/hear reasons from others before I got into it.