X-Force V.S. The JSA

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Originally posted by carver9
The Rock...no explaination needed.
Steve Austin...no explaination needed.
Hulk Hogan...no explaination needed.
Rick Flare...no explaination needed.

Jericho belongs in the same category as Gold Dust.

All those people are bigger names and draws than Jericho. I won't dispute that.

Jericho is undoubtedly a better technical wrestler than them and as good on the mic as any of them. Charisma wise, the guy competes evenly with the Rock...and has multiple times when they've feuded. Or, like, when he actually debuted in WWE by interrupting the Rock's promo.

In what ways are they "better", Carvy?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
All those people are bigger names and draws than Jericho. I won't dispute that.

Jericho is undoubtedly a better technical wrestler than them and as good on the mic as any of them. Charisma wise, the guy competes evenly with the Rock...and has multiple times when they've feuded. Or, like, when he actually debuted in WWE by interrupting the Rock's promo.

In what ways are they "better", Carvy?

Lol...do you truly believe Jericho is better on the Mic than the Rock. Come on Jake.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...do you truly believe Jericho is better on the Mic than the Rock. Come on Jake.

I suggest reading my posts before replying to them.

I said:

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Charisma wise, the guy competes evenly with the Rock...and has multiple times when they've feuded. Or, like, when he actually debuted in WWE by interrupting the Rock's promo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I suggest reading my posts before replying to them.

I said:

I agree with charisma but you are giving him too much credit. Where is the proper thread where we can debate this because I can post vids for days proving my case. I haven't kept up lately with wrestling because it was slowly reverting to soap operas but I have seen enough to know what I am saying is truthful. Point me to the right direction and I will prove you wrong tomorrow.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with charisma but you are giving him too much credit. Where is the proper thread where we can debate this because I can post vids for days proving my case. I haven't kept up lately with wrestling because it was slowly reverting to soap operas but I have seen enough to know what I am saying is truthful. Point me to the right direction and I will prove you wrong tomorrow.

I'm not giving him any more credit than he deserves. If Jericho wasn't as good as you claim, he wouldn't have been made the first ever Undisputed Champion by going over Rock and Austin in the same night. Do you not comprehend how HUGE that was? And in his second year of WWE no less? It was one of the biggest upsets ever and they wouldn't have booked him to go over if they didn't think he could carry the company. And that's without factoring in the fact that he's the most prolific IC champion in history, and has put on legendary matches with Rock, Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane (ie. The Attitude Era's best). And he's gone over all of them at least once. The industry respects him immensely for his in-ring ability, charisma, and the fact that unlike other people his age who are trying to just get themselves over, he gives back to the industry by sharing his knowledge of the business with the younger guys.

You challenging me to whatever-this-is and showing up is as likely as you going through with a BZ with either Quan or Rage.

Originally posted by carver9
Classic Booker T. Yes. I didn't include everyone. I could if you want me to and Jericho sure wouldn't be on it.

Michaels would beat Booker. Jericho would beat Booker.

Originally posted by carver9
Jericho belongs in the same category as Gold Dust.

Possibly the most retarded thing I've read today.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not giving him any more credit than he deserves. If Jericho wasn't as good as you claim, he wouldn't have been made the first ever Undisputed Champion by going over Rock and Austin in the same night. Do you not comprehend how HUGE that was? And in his second year of WWE no less? It was one of the biggest upsets ever and they wouldn't have booked him to go over if they didn't think he could carry the company. And that's without factoring in the fact that he's the most prolific IC champion in history, and has put on legendary matches with Rock, Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane (ie. The Attitude Era's best). And he's gone over all of them at least once. The industry respects him immensely for his in-ring ability, charisma, and the fact that unlike other people his age who are trying to just get themselves over, he gives back to the industry by sharing his knowledge of the business with the younger guys.

You challenging me to whatever-this-is and showing up is as likely as you going through with a BZ with either Quan or Rage.

Concession accepted. I never said he didn't make a name for himself, I said you are giving him too much credit. A lot of people love the character and I'm trying to understand why. I'll start looking back at wrestling to see if he has done a 360 because if not...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Michaels would beat Booker. Jericho would beat Booker.

Possibly the most retarded thing I've read today.

Classic Booker. You are getting the eras mixed up.

Lol...I was just trying to piss Jake off. It didn't work though.

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted. I never said he didn't make a name for himself, I said you are giving him too much credit. A lot of people love the character and I'm trying to understand why. I'll start looking back at wrestling to see if he has done a 360 because if not...

I didn't concede anything.

How am I giving him too much credit? By explaining how what he's done is impressive and how the industry itself - not just the fans and marks - respect him? A lot of people like Jericho and rightfully so; he's a great all rounder wrestler who can brawl, do mat based technical wrestling, high flying/lucha libre, and can put on a good match with any one. He's got a unique personality, and is great on the mic, whether he's face or heel.

What the hell are you basing him not being that impressive on? Him winning or losing matches? Because those are booked by the writers and creative control team, brah.

Originally posted by carver9
Classic Booker. You are getting the eras mixed up.

Lol...I was just trying to piss Jake off. It didn't work though.

No, I'm not.

Goldd Dust as a character is a joke. Dusty Rhodes the wrestler behind the character is one of the most respected people in the history of the business, both in ring and out. I don't think that's what Carver meant, but the point could be argued.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Goldd Dust as a character is a joke. Dusty Rhodes the wrestler behind the character is one of the most respected people in the history of the business, both in ring and out. I don't think that's what Carver meant, but the point could be argued.

I doubt Carv meant it like that.

But I agree with your statement 100%.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, all this post basically is "Wolverine is awesome and he can totally maim people".

He cut King Thor's arm and caused him pain. He didn't render his arm useless and trying to attribute his lost arm from an hour long + fight with Hulk/Thing to Wolverine is misleading. Further more, per current depictions, a crazed, out for blood Wolverine only managed to make kitty scratches on Thor's Asgardian skin. He drew blood. That's it. Thor was in no where near terrible shape, much less dying. Eventually, Logan's damage would have added up, but he didn't display anything close to the damage you're trying to spin it as. Lol at trying to use Wolverine cutting up Ragnarok as evidence he'd do the same to Thor, who is far more durable and powerful than a bootleg cybernetic-clone. Gladiator's also less durable than Thor and Hulk, so big whoop. And he still wasn't in grievous shape. I guess I should congratulate Logan for stabbing Thanos who depowered himself with the IG?

So again, when Logan nearly kills someone of durability on par with Citizen Steel, which is imho, portrayed to be > Thor's (who Logan can't deal damage beyond fine cuts and slashes unless he's given time to wear down Thor and his Asgardian skin), I have no reason to believe that Wolverine might be able to possibly cut up Citizen Steel because it sounds right. And considering you entered this thread with hardly any knowledge of the character primarily being discussed at the time, you're in no position to critique anyone, least all of someone who knows who Citizen Steel is and what he's capable.

Wolverine didn't fail to significantly damage Thor because Thor is too durable, he failed to significantly injure Thor because Thor was conveniently protected by the plot shield that protects all major characters from being killed off. On the forum Citizen Steel doesn't have the luxury of being saved by prevalent comic book tropes like Thor does in an actual issue. Wolverine only landed glancing blows on Thor because if he connected cleanly in the right spot... Thor would die, and Marvel isn't going to kill off one of their intellectual properties every time two characters fight. The same thing happens every time Wolverine throws down with a character like Punisher. Punisher doesn't get "kitty scratches" on his chest because he is soooooooooooo durable that is all Wolverine can muster up, it's because if Wolverine connected cleanly Punisher would be dead. It's called PIS... and stuff like that is the reason why rules that clarify what is and what is not considered valid and applicable. If Wolverine can get full penetration on someone like Gladiator, then he can kill him, it just comes down to placement of the blows and on forum matches Wolverine isn't limited to glancing and nonlethal blows shoulder. I know you find it difficult to give Wolverine even a monocrum of respect but the guy has has cut Thanos, Gladiator, Magog, Count Nef, Elder Gods and virtually every top tier high durability character short of Classic Juggernaut.

You spend all day trying to rationalize why all Wolverine's feats don't matter instead of just excepting the way he has been portrayed virtually since his inception. Wolverine stabs Thanos, and you say "Well... Thanos probably depowered himself for that to happen!" Seriously? Based on what? Nothing in the story even suggests at that possibility, in reality he was more powerful than ever with the IG in is possession. I mean... just how difficult is it for you to give Wolverine his dues? At least your delusion that Hulk ripped off the arm we just happened to see Wolverine cut through a few panels earlier (because... as well all know super hero comics are known for the subtlety) has some basis in reality.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't fail to significantly damage Thor because Thor is too durable, he failed to significantly injure Thor because Thor was conveniently protected by the plot shield that protects all major characters from being killed off. On the forum Citizen Steel doesn't have the luxury of being saved by prevalent comic book tropes like Thor does in an actual issue. Wolverine only landed glancing blows on Thor because if he connected cleanly in the right spot... Thor would die, and Marvel isn't going to kill off one of their intellectual properties every time two characters fight. The same thing happens every time Wolverine throws down with a character like Punisher. Punisher doesn't get "kitty scratches" on his chest because he is soooooooooooo durable that is all Wolverine can muster up, it's because if Wolverine connected cleanly Punisher would be dead. It's called PIS... and stuff like that is the reason why rules that clarify what is and what is not considered valid and applicable. If Wolverine can get full penetration on someone like Gladiator, then he can kill him, it just comes down to placement of the blows and on forum matches Wolverine isn't limited to glancing and nonlethal blows shoulder. I know you find it difficult to give Wolverine even a monocrum of respect but the guy has has cut Thanos, Gladiator, Magog, Count Nef, Elder Gods and virtually every top tier high durability character short of Classic Juggernaut.

You spend all day trying to rationalize why all Wolverine's feats don't matter instead of just excepting the way he has been portrayed virtually since his inception. Wolverine stabs Thanos, and you say "Well... Thanos probably depowered himself for that to happen!" Seriously? Based on what? Nothing in the story even suggests at that possibility, in reality he was more powerful than ever with the IG in is possession. I mean... just how difficult is it for you to give Wolverine his dues? At least your delusion that Hulk ripped off the arm we just happened to see Wolverine cut through a few panels earlier (because... as well all know super hero comics are known for the subtlety) has some basis in reality.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't fail to significantly damage Thor because Thor is too durable, he failed to significantly injure Thor because Thor was conveniently protected by the plot shield that protects all major characters from being killed off. On the forum Citizen Steel doesn't have the luxury of being saved by prevalent comic book tropes like Thor does in an actual issue. Wolverine only landed glancing blows on Thor because if he connected cleanly in the right spot... Thor would die, and Marvel isn't going to kill off one of their intellectual properties every time two characters fight. The same thing happens every time Wolverine throws down with a character like Punisher. Punisher doesn't get "kitty scratches" on his chest because he is soooooooooooo durable that is all Wolverine can muster up, it's because if Wolverine connected cleanly Punisher would be dead. It's called PIS... and stuff like that is the reason why rules that clarify what is and what is not considered valid and applicable. If Wolverine can get full penetration on someone like Gladiator, then he can kill him, it just comes down to placement of the blows and on forum matches Wolverine isn't limited to glancing and nonlethal blows shoulder. I know you find it difficult to give Wolverine even a monocrum of respect but the guy has has cut Thanos, Gladiator, Magog, Count Nef, Elder Gods and virtually every top tier high durability character short of Classic Juggernaut.

You spend all day trying to rationalize why all Wolverine's feats don't matter instead of just excepting the way he has been portrayed virtually since his inception. Wolverine stabs Thanos, and you say "Well... Thanos probably depowered himself for that to happen!" Seriously? Based on what? Nothing in the story even suggests at that possibility, in reality he was more powerful than ever with the IG in is possession. I mean... just how difficult is it for you to give Wolverine his dues? At least your delusion that Hulk ripped off the arm we just happened to see Wolverine cut through a few panels earlier (because... as well all know super hero comics are known for the subtlety) has some basis in reality.

Uh huh.

The thickness of Thor's Asgardian skin prevented Logan from doing much damage initially. Said advantage wouldn't last forever, but it was enough to turn otherwise seriously damaging claw swipes into superficial, surface damage slashes. The comic states that and shows us that. While no Wolverine in the healing factor, Thor heals from his very minor and non life threatening injuries quickly enough. Trying to spin it into anything but that is ridiculous. If Thor used the full measure of his power and strength, if he didn't kill Wolverine, he'd easily one shot him. But you're the same guy who said Daken tanked a godblast during Siege, so I could just be wasting my breath. The comparison to Punisher and Thor is just...wow.

The rest of this drivel has already been discussed. If you think Wolverine can do lasting harm to Citizen Steel, by all means, prove it. But if Wolverine, who wanted to kill "Sabretooth", only managed to cut Thor just barely - while Thor was holding back and just trying to calm down Logan - I don't think his chances are good against a guy I'd honestly say rates higher than Thor in the durability department.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Uh huh.

The thickness of Thor's Asgardian skin prevented Logan from doing much damage initially. Said advantage wouldn't last forever, but it was enough to turn otherwise seriously damaging claw swipes into superficial, surface damage slashes. The comic states that and shows us that. While no Wolverine in the healing factor, Thor heals from his very minor and non life threatening injuries quickly enough. Trying to spin it into anything but that is ridiculous. If Thor used the full measure of his power and strength, if he didn't kill Wolverine, he'd easily one shot him. But you're the same guy who said Daken tanked a godblast during Siege, so I could just be wasting my breath. The comparison to Punisher and Thor is just...wow.

The rest of this drivel has already been discussed. If you think Wolverine can do lasting harm to Citizen Steel, by all means, prove it. But if Wolverine, who wanted to kill "Sabretooth", only managed to cut Thor just barely - while Thor was holding back and just trying to calm down Logan - I don't think his chances are good against a guy I'd honestly say rates higher than Thor in the durability department.

Thor's "thick skin" didn't turn otherwise serious damage into superficial surface damage, it turned superficial surface damage into even more superficial surface damage. Wolverine only landed glancing blows. They would have been glancing blows on anyone. On a street level they attacks may have got passed the epidermis and just slightly damaged the dermis... but that is it. On the Thor the glancing blows damage was relegated to the outer level of dermis only because it is thicker than normal. That is like the difference between a paper cut, and a slightly different paper cut. He wasn't turning direct full on blows into nothing with his epic durability, he was only getting clipped with nothing glancing blows. We've seen what happens when Wolverine lands flush time and time again, and that isn't it. You don't like the Punisher comparison but that's what happened. Wolverine was prevent form landing flush blows, because Thor can't survive that sort of damage and plot shielding was necessary. We aren't slaves to comic tropes like that here though and Wolverine gets to fight to the best of ability, which means no feeble glancing blows or using his claws merely as a distance gauge.

Originally posted by carver9
Adamantium is a hell of a drug. Wolverine has cut some of the most durable beings in comics. I see no reason on why he couldn't potentially rip through Citizen Steel.
CS is more durable than Kryptonians (inc. KC Superman.) Wolverine isn't cutting him.

Originally posted by Galan007
CS is more durable than Kryptonians (inc. KC Superman.) Wolverine isn't cutting him.

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Even if we give Logan the benefit of the doubt, which people are want to do anyway, there's no reason in hell to assume it would be anything more than superficial scratches.

Wolverine can cut anyone who doesn't posses magically endowed true invulnerability like Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Even if we give Logan the benefit of the doubt, which people are want to do anyway, there's no reason in hell to assume it would be anything more than superficial scratches.

Scratches are the worst injuries I could agree with CS sustaining.

...But personally, I'm not of the opinion that Wolverine could give a Kryptonian a severe injury either. /shrug