Thor VS Wolverine (With No Super Powers)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is irrelevant to this conversation here. 🙂

no it's not. it established thor's combative response when on relatively even terms with an opponent.

if anything, thor's hammer > logan's claws

Originally posted by snowdragon
Right and the original bone claw logan was crazy feral with enhanced regen.

He doesn't have that at all this fight.

However that said weighing in at frickin 700lbs with no super powers Thor will practically beat himself, that's huge and kills stamina.

Logan wins due to crazy Thor's crazy double weight physiology.

Not in comics it doesn't, see the Kingpin for an example.

It never seemed to be an issue before when Thor was depowered, either.

Yup just my opinion.

Because KP does it doesn't meant Thor can depowered, just my opinion.

Not in comics it doesn't, see the Kingpin for an example.

That is also the exception there are VERY few fat guys that display that agility and strength and stamina.

I see, it's a disadvantage because you want Wolverine to win.

regardless of whether or not a depowered thor would be a lumbering oaf
of a truck stuck on low gear chasing the flash.....his immense size would
become a disadvantage without a subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size.

sabretooth is way smaller than thor, but way stronger than a completely
depowered thor; yet bone claws logan has proven to be strong enough
to grapple & beat down sabretooth on multiple occassions; & a powerless logan would about as strong as bone claws logan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, it's a disadvantage because you want Wolverine to win.

Which is why I brought up both their weaknesses, nope not gunning for either aside from the fact 700lbs on a real human structure is fail , yea aside from kp who defies heart failure😛

Why wouldn't Thor have "subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size"

Originally posted by snowdragon
Which is why I brought up both their weaknesses, nope not gunning for either aside from the fact 700lbs on a real human structure is fail , yea aside from kp who defies heart failure😛

This is comics, not the real world...real world people don't have Thor's muscle and bone density.

He's still peak human in terms of strength, endurance, agility, and everything else.

Nothing shown in any comic where he's been depowered suggests he's not.

Originally posted by wildernesss
sabretooth is way smaller than thor, but way stronger than a completely
depowered thor; yet bone claws logan has proven to be strong enough
to grapple & beat down sabretooth with reasonably comparative strength......& a powerless logan would about as strong as bone claws logan.

And using fights with feral wolverine is also terrible.

Logan when he fought sabertooth had crazy regen and feral instincts not good for this disucssion.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's still peak human in terms of strength, endurance, agility, and everything else.

Nothing shown in any comic where he's been depowered suggests he's not.

So how close is he to cap without powers> then decide where he stands with wolverine with no powers and (a HUGE crippling physiology stamina wise.)

Originally posted by snowdragon
So how close is he to cap without powers> then decide where he stands with wolverine with no powers and (a HUGE crippling physiology stamina wise.)

The thing is...this whole crippling physiology thing? It doesn't exist. Literally nothing in comics have shown or even alluded to that Thor without his powers suddenly can't support his body. And he's been depowered quite a bit.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why wouldn't Thor have "subsequent correlation between his
size & his strength/speed/stamina in proportion to his size"

he would, it's simply that when depowered, 6'6 640 lbs thor's strength is massively inferior to sabretooth's 6'6 270 lbs strength.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor would overpower that midget and beat the shit out of him.

"Stop hitting thyself."

Is Thor depowered or mortal? You'd think it doesn't make a difference but to gods it does apparently.

A mortal Thor is basically peak human (Possibly on par with Captain America) while incredibly skilled. Depowered, he loses his godly strength but can still hit with devastating force. Probably like class 20 or so. I'd have to double check to be entirely sure.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The thing is...this whole crippling physiology thing? It doesn't exist. Literally nothing in comics have shown or even alluded to that Thor without his powers suddenly can't support his body. And he's been depowered quite a bit.

Has something been shown he can take on a take ma and win then?

Thor's body won't be collapse on itself or anything. That's stupid. He likely won't keep his original 700 pound weight either though. I doubt his bones remain several times denser than humans.

Originally posted by snowdragon
And using fights with feral wolverine is also terrible.

Logan when he fought sabertooth had crazy regen and feral instincts not good for this disucssion.

bone claws logan has beat victor creed into pulp without even using his regen. as for feral instincts, logan instrincts are highly trained, without or without his super powers. period.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Has something been shown he can take on a take ma and win then?

You're better off arguing Logan's skill advantage is what beats Thor, not Thor's body being impossible for him to use effectively.

Captain America seems to be of the opinion that even without Mjolnir and his powers, Thor is still something impressive to behold.

Also this idea that Sabretooth is much stronger than Thor depowered makes no sense.

Originally posted by wildernesss
bone claws logan has beat victor creed into pulp without even using his regen. as for feral instincts, logan instrincts are highly trained, without or without his super powers. period.