The What If version of Michael Korvac vs Thanos, Lord Mar-vell, and Void...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Korvac in a heart beat; this version of Korvac permanently succeeded in destroying the universe...Thanos has never done so permanently.

This version of Korvac was under her direct protection (stated on panel in so many words). This version of Korvac destroyed an ALTERNATE reality using the UN. Thanos has conquered 616 reality multiple times in her name. Thanos avenged her honor in the Cancerverse by introducing death to it, allowing her to annihilate that universe and the Cancerwave forces that spilled over into our universe.

She is NOT siding with Korvac. Team takes this.

Originally posted by zopzop
This version of Korvac was under her direct protection (stated on panel in so many words). This version of Korvac destroyed an ALTERNATE reality using the UN. Thanos has conquered 616 reality multiple times in her name. Thanos avenged her honor in the Cancerverse by introducing death to it, allowing her to annihilate that universe and the Cancerwave forces that spilled over into our universe.

She is NOT siding with Korvac. Team takes this.

He doesnt need her help with these guys to KO them; he defeated The Shaper, Arishem, and all the rest of the Earth-bound Celestials solo...and he one-shot-killed the Inbetweener...he doesnt need Deaths assistence at all in this fight.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He doesnt need her help with these guys to KO them; he defeated The Shaper, Arishem, and all the rest of the Earth-bound Celestials solo...and he one-shot-killed the Inbetweener...he doesnt need Deaths assistence at all in this fight.

Sure he does. He took the IB by surprise, in fact, most every time he struck down one of the cosmic council, the narration mentions this fact on panel.

He's not doing jack vs this team without Death acting as his sugar mamma.

And you ignore the fact that he gained the power of every member of the cosmic council he struck down...

This version of Korvac had all the power of the Earth bound Celestials, The Shapers power, the Strangers power, and the IB's power added to his own...

To suggest that this isnt enough power to defeat this team is ridiculous...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And you ignore the fact that he gained the power of every member of the cosmic council he struck down...

This version of Korvac had all the power of the Earth bound Celestials, The Shapers power, the Strangers power, and the IB's power added to his own...

To suggest that this isnt enough power to defeat this team is ridiculous...

And yet he feared a space armada that was about to attack Earth. For all his power he still couldn't destroy the universe without resorting to the UN. He was very underwhelming. Half the crap he pulled on the Cosmics was because he caught them unaware and had Death's backing. That won't work on Team. Thanos isn't stupid.

Originally posted by zopzop
And yet he feared a space armada that was about to attack Earth. For all his power he still couldn't destroy the universe without resorting to the UN. He was very underwhelming. Half the crap he pulled on the Cosmics was because he caught them unaware and had Death's backing. That won't work on Team. Thanos isn't stupid.

Still doesnt change the fact that the power of the Celestials, a Full Cube Being, the IB's, the Strangers, combined with Korvacs own power is far more than enough to defeat this team...

Come on zop...Arishem could solo this team; how could they wreck someone far more powerful than Arishem?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Still doesnt change the fact that the power of the Celestials, a Full Cube Being, the IB's, the Strangers, combined with Korvacs own power is far more than enough to defeat this team...

Come on zop...Arishem could solo this team; how could they wreck someone far more powerful than Arishem?

616 Arishem would rape this team. But we're not talking about 616 Arishem. We don't know how powerful the alternate reality version of the beings Korvac beat were. There are alt reality versions of Celestials that have KILLED two IG wielders with one blast. Fought Doom with Classic Beyonder's power combined with the IG for 435 years before dying out but wrecking the IG and exhausting Classic Beyonder's power. I could go on but you get my point. Yet other alt reality Celestials couldn't put down alt reality Ego without Blink's help!

ASSUMING these alt reality versions were just as powerful as their 616 counter parts is wrong. What makes me suspicious is the fact that the space armada had him desperate enough to whip out the UN and call it a day. The fact that he couldn't destroy the universe under his own power (and all the power he had accumulated) is just icing on the cake.

Korvac for a solid win, this guy bfrd Phoenix, Surfer and Dr. Strange with a gesture, he blocked the adjacent dimensions so Skyfathers couldn't advance against him and he restored Thor with his own power along with the Avengers. Since Korvac isn't the most stable fighter this team could keep him off balance and maybe put him in trouble, but frankly, his feats are just above the guys.

Originally posted by zopzop
616 Arishem would rape this team. But we're not talking about 616 Arishem. We don't know how powerful the alternate reality version of the beings Korvac beat were. There are alt reality versions of Celestials that have KILLED two IG wielders with one blast. Fought Doom with Classic Beyonder's power combined with the IG for 435 years before dying out but wrecking the IG and exhausting Classic Beyonder's power. I could go on but you get my point. Yet other alt reality Celestials couldn't put down alt reality Ego without Blink's help!

ASSUMING these alt reality versions were just as powerful as their 616 counter parts is wrong. What makes me suspicious is the fact that the space armada had him desperate enough to whip out the UN and call it a day. The fact that he couldn't destroy the universe under his own power (and all the power he had accumulated) is just icing on the cake.

So are you arguing that anyone that cant destroy a universe under their own power cant beat this team?

Korvac couldnt destroy the universe under his own power...big deal...he still amassed enough power simply via the number of cosmics he'd absorbed to defeat this team.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So are you arguing that anyone that cant destroy a universe under their own power cant beat this team?

Korvac couldnt destroy the universe under his own power...big deal...he still amassed enough power simply via the number of cosmics he'd absorbed to defeat this team.

The armada was also a dead giveaway. Fact is, those were ALT reality versions of 616 beings. We have zero clue how powerful they are and we KNOW Death was aiding Korvac (he doesn't have that luxury here). Team can/will take him down.

Originally posted by zopzop
The armada was also a dead giveaway. Fact is, those were ALT reality versions of 616 beings. We have zero clue how powerful they are and we KNOW Death was aiding Korvac (he doesn't have that luxury here). Team can/will take him down.

When you have alternate versions of the Badoon slaving the entire Celestial race and a simple war between the Kree and the Sh'iar pretty much destroyed reality, you'd be wrong at downplaying every race in the universe in favor of cosmics.

Also, Korvac was a paranoid and crazy man from the very begining, you could also argue that Death fueled those personality traits so he ended everything with a bang.

Originally posted by zopzop
The armada was also a dead giveaway. Fact is, those were ALT reality versions of 616 beings. We have zero clue how powerful they are and we KNOW Death was aiding Korvac (he doesn't have that luxury here). Team can/will take him down.

With all the power he possesses, he doesnt need Death in this fight...

Agree to disagree, then...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
With all the power he possesses, he doesnt need Death in this fight...

Agree to disagree, then...

What power? We haven't even established how powerful those ALTERNATE reality versions of 616 beings were! The fact that he panicked and whipped out the UN as soon as he sensed the armada was a big clue as to how powerful he really was and this was WITH Death aiding him.

But like you said, agree to disagree.

What power??

The power to BFR pheonix, doctor strange, and the surfer...the power to lock away all the Skyfathers so that they couldnt interfer with him...the power to one-shot abstracts...I could go on, but all of this has already been stated here in this thread.

IMHO, this version of Korvac was more than powerful enough to defeat this team...

Originally posted by zopzop
What power? We haven't even established how powerful those ALTERNATE reality versions of 616 beings were! The fact that he panicked and whipped out the UN as soon as he sensed the armada was a big clue as to how powerful he really was and this was WITH Death aiding him.

But like you said, agree to disagree.

He did seal away Mephisto, Odin and a bunch of others, he also managed to restore Thor and Starhawk under his own power. Even after playing the not-616 card he is comfortably above Mar-vell and Thanos.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What power??

The power to BFR pheonix, doctor strange, and the surfer...the power to lock away all the Skyfathers so that they couldnt interfer with him...the power to one-shot abstracts...I could go on, but all of this has already been stated here in this thread.

IMHO, this version of Korvac was more than powerful enough to defeat this team...

LoM, THOSE WERE ALT REALITY VERSIONS OF 616 BEINGS. We don't know how powerful they are.

Originally posted by zopzop
LoM, THOSE WERE ALT REALITY VERSIONS OF 616 BEINGS. We don't know how powerful they are.

That still doesn't make them powerless 😬

Originally posted by Bentley
He did seal away Mephisto, Odin and a bunch of others, he also managed to restore Thor and Starhawk under his own power. Even after playing the not-616 card he is comfortably above Mar-vell and Thanos.

How is this impressive? Alt reality versions of Sym and Madelyne Prior sealed off their universe from all outside forces EXACTLY like Korvac did (What if Xmen Lost Inferno).

And he can only rez people he himself has killed. Not that impressive seeing as how Odin can rez whoever the hell he wants. He's not even Skyfather level in that regard.

True enough, but surely even alt versions of Celestials are stronger than Thanos, Lord Mar-vell, and Void...

Originally posted by Bentley
That still doesn't make them powerless 😬

Still makes their power level unknown! How can one version of the Celestials annihilate TWO IG wielders yet other versions are unable to restrain a crazed Ego without Blink's help?