The What If version of Michael Korvac vs Thanos, Lord Mar-vell, and Void...

Started by Bentley8 pages
Originally posted by zopzop
I have as much proof as you do that those cosmics he beat were anywhere near as powerful as their 616 counterparts (see on panel proof that Korvac sh|t his pants at the sight of the Armada and had to resort to using the UN despite all the cosmics he had absorbed).

We can advance in this discussion in two ways: One would be admitting that the What If versions of the characters have undefined levels and thus their appearances doesn't count as a measuring stick and hence we shouldn't be discussed about them at all. It's a legitimate claim, but it beats the propose of the thread.

Or we can assume that the characters depicted are more or less as the usual characters unless the showings don't do them justice, in which case most proof would be heavily in Korvac's favor. So if we are actually discussing this, the only reasonable way of doing it is admitting Korvac has that kind of power, or going our way and ignoring this thread altogether. Either way I don't feel my claims are off.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then there's this from Death's own mouth :
"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"
And the Narrator :
"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"

Personally I think that Death affected Korvac by using his mental unstability, she manipulated him into destroying the universe by her "machinations" and not her by using power.

(Now I will speculate for the sake of speculation) IF, we were to delve into Korvac's personality, and we took it's combat against Captain America (Captain America v3 methinks), we would see that Korvac wanted a peaceful universe that was controlled and worked as a clock. When the entire universe went against him, his goal was entirely off limits, no subtle manipulation would achieve his perfect control over the universe. Then he simply busts the board.

Originally posted by Nihilist
By blasting,teleporting or magic just to name a few

Big deal Thanos pwnd a cube being and Void killed one, Alternate reality celestials are weak sauce fact.

Void one shot killed Molecule Man, Thanos tanked attacks from Magus with the IG who was maerging to universes together.

Dont bother with your pis crybaby stance its a sign of desperation.

Thanos beat a half cube that made itself vulnerable; you Thanos whores always conviently dont bother to mention circumstance...

Void killed a being with a sliver of the power of a CCU; again, your omission of the facts border on out right lying...

Korvac destroyed a full Cube Being simply by willing it to occur; huge difference between what Void and Thanos did...

Alternate Reality Celestials arent always weak; didnt they destroy IG users at one point? LoL...

There is no need to be desperate with dealing with someone whose face looks like an ugly humans anus!

💃

Originally posted by Bentley
We can advance in this discussion in two ways: One would be admitting that the What If versions of the characters have undefined levels and thus their appearances doesn't count as a measuring stick and hence we shouldn't be discussed about them at all. It's a legitimate claim, but it beats the propose of the thread.

Or we can assume that the characters depicted are more or less as the usual characters unless the showings don't do them justice, in which case most proof would be heavily in Korvac's favor. So if we are [i]actually[/¡] discussing this, the only reasonable way of doing it is admitting Korvac has that kind of power, or going our way and ignoring this thread altogether. Either way I don't feel my claims are off.

Your claims are off because he couldn't even handle the armada without resorting to the UN. He couldn't destroy the universe without resorting to the UN.

We have alt reality versions of the PF destroying universes using nothing but it's own power. Yet Korvac couldn't accomplish this despite the power of the IB, the earth bound Celestials, the Shaper, Korvac's own power he stole from Galactus' ship, the Stranger's power, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, everyone on planet earth, Carina, etc... With ALL of that he couldn't deal with a space armada without resorting to the UN.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He doesnt have to engage Thanos in that fashion; all he has to do is maintain his defenses and blast Thanos into oblivion...

He should definitely be capable of this...

Thanos can't die, though he can be KOed. Mar-vell can't die, though he can be KOed. Void can't die, though he can be KOed. Good luck with that Korvac.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos beat a half cube that made itself vulnerable; you Thanos whores always conviently dont bother to mention circumstance...

Void killed a being with a sliver of the power of a CCU; again, your omission of the facts border on out right lying...

Korvac destroyed a full Cube Being simply by willing it to occur; huge difference between what Void and Thanos did...

A few things:

Maker was a FULL Cube Being, at that point Beyonder and MM had already merged to form Kosmos.

MM with a sliver of a Cube's power owned Full Cube Being Beyonder, yet died vs Void.

Korvac beat a Cube Being from an ALTERNATE reality. Void and Thanos owned 616 reality versions of their opponents, so they get the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos beat a half cube that made itself vulnerable; you Thanos whores always conviently dont bother to mention circumstance...
Lie, with no proof to back it up about a half cube

Void killed a being with a sliver of the power of a CCU; again, your omission of the facts border on out right lying...
Second lie with no proof.

Korvac destroyed a full Cube Being simply by willing it to occur; huge difference between what Void and Thanos did...
Void beat a cube at its own game

Alternate Reality Celestials arent always weak; didnt they destroy IG users at one point? LoL...
😂 you havent even read the story, cos if you had you wouldnt use that as a example.

There is no need to be desperate with dealing with someone whose face looks like an ugly humans anus!

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Is that supposed to be a insult/flame? because that is a weak as your whole argument...a 10yr old could come back with better shit than that, then again they would still prolly be older than you

Originally posted by zopzop
Your claims are off because he couldn't even handle the armada without resorting to the UN. He couldn't destroy the universe without resorting to the UN.

We have alt reality versions of the PF destroying universes using nothing but it's own power. Yet Korvac couldn't accomplish this despite the power of the IB, the earth bound Celestials, the Shaper, Korvac's own power he stole from Galactus' ship, the Stranger's power, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, everyone on planet earth, Carina, etc... With ALL of that he couldn't deal with a space armada without resorting to the UN. [/B]

You already explained this yourself, Death manipulated him into using the UN, he's a paranoid who dreams of control and he saw everything in chaos against him. Korvac has downplayed his powers everytime he's scared, so you take the armada battle as a logical and sure measuring stick?

Originally posted by zopzop
Thanos can't die, though he can be KOed. Mar-vell can't die, though he can be KOed. Void can't die, though he can be KOed. Good luck with that Korvac.
LOM prolly doesnt even know Starlord with a CC couldnt ko a weak Thanos.

Originally posted by Bentley
You already explained this yourself, Death manipulated him into using the UN, he's a paranoid who dreams of control and he saw everything in chaos against him. Korvac has downplayed his powers everytime he's scared, so you take the armada battle as a logical and sure measuring stick?

Why would he NEED the UN? Killing something is killing something. If he really had all that power, he could have wiped out the armada and the universe using nothing but the power he had already accumulated, hell he should have at least been able to wipe the armada. But no, the first thing he though of when the armada came barreling down on him was the UN.

The guy had a hard time beating Captain America, he isn't adapted to use those powers when he's crapping his pants.

Also Death manipulated him into using the UN, you brought the on panel proof yourself.

(Gotta go to sleep for today, will answer tomorrow)

Originally posted by zopzop
A few things:

Maker was a FULL Cube Being, at that point Beyonder and MM had already merged to form Kosmos.

MM with a sliver of a Cube's power owned Full Cube Being Beyonder, yet died vs Void.

Korvac beat a Cube Being from an ALTERNATE reality. Void and Thanos owned 616 reality versions of their opponents, so they get the benefit of the doubt.

The Maker was not a full Cube; when left Owen and a portion of its power left with him...

The Beyonder jobbed to Owen...

The Alternate Shaper could have been stronger, weaker, or equal to 616 Shaper...your speculation to its power level is no better than anyone elses.

Originally posted by Bentley
The guy had a hard time beating Captain America, he isn't adapted to use those powers when he's crapping his pants.

Also Death manipulated him into using the UN, you brought the on panel proof yourself.

(Gotta go to sleep for today, will answer tomorrow)

Yup, because he didn't have the power to do it on his own. He couldn't down the armada or the universe without the UN.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The Maker was not a full Cube; Owen and a portion of its power left with him when it became Kosmos...

The Beyonder jobbed to Owen...

The Alternate Shaper could have been stronger, weaker, or equal to 616 Shaper...your speculation to its power level is no better than anyone elses.

No the Maker WAS a full cube being. It was Kosmos' new form. Kosmos was the FULL Cube being that formed when MM and Beyonder merged back in that FF issue.

If the Beyonder jobbed then so did Kubik, because he didn't even want to face Owen and admitted he would lose.

Exactly, so using ALT Shaper as proof of anything is wrong.

Originally posted by Nihilist
LOM prolly doesnt even know Starlord with a CC couldnt ko a weak Thanos.

Korvac could simply manipulate these guys into subduing Thanos:

Originally posted by zopzop
No the Maker WAS a full cube being. It was Kosmos' new form. Kosmos was the FULL Cube being that formed when MM and Beyonder merged back in that FF issue.

If the Beyonder jobbed then so did Kubik, because he didn't even want to face Owen and admitted he would lose.

Exactly, so using ALT Shaper as proof of anything is wrong.

And Owen eventually was separted from Kosmos; when this happened, a significant portion of Kosmos's power went with Owen...

That event with Kubik was during Molecule Man unleashed; that was messy PIS...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Korvac could simply manipulate these guys into subduing Thanos:
lulz Having to use a non cannon story, yeah i just owned the crap outta you desperado.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And Owen eventually was separted from Kosmos; when this happened, a significant portion of Kosmos's power went with Owen...

That event with Kubik was during Molecule Man unleashed; that was messy PIS...

No it didn't LoM. A FRAGMENT of a FRAGMENT is what Owen hid inside Marsha according to Doom and admitted by MM.

The fact remains Owen with his "fragment of a fragment" powers defeated Full Cube Being Beyonder and punked Kubik yet DIED vs Void.

Originally posted by Nihilist
lulz Having to use a non cannon story, yeah i just owned the crap outta you desperado.

Thanos fears the judicial system:

Originally posted by zopzop
No it didn't LoM. A FRAGMENT of a FRAGMENT is what Owen hid inside Marsha according to Doom and admitted by MM.

The fact remains Owen with his "fragment of a fragment" powers defeated Full Cube Being Beyonder and punked Kubik yet DIED vs Void.

Which was incredible PIS as pertains beating the Beyonder...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos fears the judicial system:
Concession accepted, Thread over...LOM OWNED HARD.