Lord Mar-vell vs Thor....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're setting yourself up with an out using ambiguous specifications. Posting evidence just so you can stick you're head in the sand isn't my goal.

I'm not going to post Eternity saying that Thor is a danger to a large part of him and Infinity or anything. I am going to post Thor's battles with Skyfather level beings and up however.

If you have a problem with the former then that's understandable, if it's the latter then we have a problem.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're setting yourself up with an out using ambiguous specifications. Posting evidence just so you can stick you're head in the sand isn't my goal.

I'm not going to post Eternity saying that Thor is a danger to a large part of him and Infinity or anything. I am going to post Thor's battles with Skyfather level beings and up however.

If you have a problem with the former then that's understandable, if it's the latter then we have a problem.

By all means, post those Skyfather fights. Keep in mind I've already seen the Zeus/Thor one where Zeus tells Thor he's not gonna kill him but teach him a lesson and has Thor on the floor crying out that he's not gonna surrender. I've seen the Glory one too where the woman prays to something and empowers Thor to overcome Glory. If it's more of those again (where there are outside forces at work or one party is holding back), don't bother.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We also have Thor losing to elite top tiers and less than. We don't have anyone getting the better of Mar-vell save Thanos. You have to take into consideration all of Thor's battles not just his best.

I'm not saying Thor is consistently operating on that level but the notion that Thor can't challenge or pose a threat to a Trans tier character is ridiculous.

I've seen him outperform a Skyfather.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not saying Thor is consistently operating on that level but the notion that Thor can't challenge or pose a threat to a Trans tier character is ridiculous.

I've seen him outperform a Skyfather.

Originally posted by zopzop
By all means, post those Skyfather fights.

Not limiting this to Skyfathers. Just to be clear, you're looking for scenes that indicate Thor can be a threat to a Trans tier character.

I'm assuming you're already aware of the God Blast and are discounting it, correct? Otherwise this conversation can be end even sooner.

Originally posted by zopzop
Keep in mind I've already seen the Zeus/Thor one where Zeus tells Thor he's not gonna kill him but teach him a lesson and has Thor on the floor crying out that he's not gonna surrender

Zeus specifically said he wasn't attempting to kill Thor. He was however pissed off and wanted Thor down. This is emphasized by him saying (Most likely hyperbole) that Thor put up more of a fight than all of the Titans or the Gods of Olympus.

Trying to disqualify that fight based on that is silly. Thor most likely wasn't trying to kill Zeus either. You don't have to want to kill someone to put in effort.

Originally posted by zopzop
I've seen the Glory one too where the woman prays to something and empowers Thor to overcome Glory. If it's more of those again (where there are outside forces at work or one party is holding back), don't bother.

She didn't empower Thor. Not in the sense that you're thinking of. Her prayer gave Thor the will to fight on which was being eroded away. She didn't amp his stats or Mjolnir.

A valid fight, it has some context to it, but a valid fight nonetheless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which skyfather did he outperform ?

Against the Celestials.

It should be noted, he also completely outperformed the Uni-Mind which IIRC was one shotted.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not limiting this to Skyfathers. Just to be clear, you're looking for scenes that indicate Thor can be a threat to a Trans tier character.

Zeus specifically said he wasn't attempting to kill Thor. He was however pissed off and wanted Thor down. This is emphasized by him saying (Most likely hyperbole) that Thor put up more of a fight than all of the Titans or the Gods of Olympus.

Trying to disqualify that fight based on that is silly. Thor most likely wasn't trying to kill Zeus either. You don't have to want to kill someone to put in effort.

Of course his comment about "all the Titans/Gods" was hyperbole. I'm glad you at least realize that. Zeus was toying with him and wanted to teach him a lesson. He had Thor on the floor crying out about he wont' give in because he's Odin's son or some such, then Zeus stops his assault.

She didn't empower Thor. Not in the sense that you're thinking of. Her prayer gave Thor the will to fight on which was being eroded away. She didn't amp his stats or Mjolnir.

A valid fight, it has some context to it, but a valid fight nonetheless.

That fight was vague as hell. No one knows who or what she was praying to. Some say the TOAA. Point is he would have died if it wasn't for an outside force assisting him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Against the Celestials.

It should be noted, he also completely outperformed the Uni-Mind which IIRC was one shotted.

How did he outperform them? By not being one shotted? Because the Celestials never attacked the Skyfathers so we don't know how many shots it would take to down them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course his comment about "all the Titans/Gods" was hyperbole. I'm glad you at least realize that. Zeus was toying with him and wanted to teach him a lesson. He had Thor on the floor crying out about he wont' give in because he's Odin's son or some such, then Zeus stops his assault.

Stop trying to diminish the fight for Thor. He held out against an angry Skyfather for a noticeable amount of time. Zeus didn't want to kill Thor but he obviously wanted to take him down. It was a matter of respect and pride for him at that point. He always had a quick temper.

Originally posted by zopzop
That fight was vague as hell. No one knows who or what she was praying to. Some say the TOAA. Point is he would have died if it wasn't for an outside force assisting him.

She was praying to Thor, it said that very clearly. As a result, her prayer of hope was able to reignite Thor's will which was beginning to fade.

The only reason you would have to disqualify that fight is you disliking it. There was no physical amp to his stats or Mjolnir. The only time such a thing occurred was when they prayed to TOAA to finally kill Glory, as he kept reforming due to the Chaos King directly empowering him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Stop trying to diminish the fight for Thor. He held out against an angry Skyfather for a noticeable amount of time. Zeus didn't want to kill Thor but he obviously wanted to take him down. It was a matter of respect and pride for him at that point. He always had a quick temper.

Zeus downed Thor, that's the point. He even said he wasn't meant to die by Zeus' hands but that wasn't going to stop Zeus from teaching him a lesson. And he did teach him a lesson, he had Thor on the floor crying out. Post the scans, that expression of pain on Thor's face is priceless. Far more humiliating than the one Mindset has in his sig.

She was praying to Thor, it said that very clearly. As a result, her prayer of hope was able to reignite Thor's will which was beginning to fade.

The only reason you would have to disqualify that fight is you disliking it. There was no physical amp to his stats or Mjolnir. The only time such a thing occurred was when they prayed to TOAA to finally kill Glory, as he kept reforming due to the Chaos King directly empowering him.

So an OUTSIDE force intervened in the Glory/Thor fight (twice)? Gotcha. Like I said.

Originally posted by zopzop
How did he outperform them? By not being one shotted? Because the Celestials never attacked the Skyfathers so we don't know how many shots it would take to down them.

The combined attack of Odin, Zeus, Vishnu didn't affect Arishem. The Uni-Mind, Zuras plus the entire Eternal race was one shotted. The Odin Destroyer wasn't able to do any physical damage (Using personal might) and was getting torn apart by attacks.

I think it's fairly obviously what would have happened if they got attacked.

actually odin was "oneshotted" when the celestials owned the destroyer

Originally posted by zopzop
Zeus downed Thor, that's the point. He even said he wasn't meant to die by Zeus' hands but that wasn't going to stop Zeus from teaching him a lesson. And he did teach him a lesson, he had Thor on the floor crying out. Post the scans, that expression of pain on Thor's face is priceless. Far more humiliating than the one Mindset has in his sig.

Zeus was winning, that's not in contention. A young -probably teenage- Thor holding his on against a raging Skyfather (Better than any other God of Olympus could) is the point.

I don't really know whats humiliating about this but okay:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus6.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
So an OUTSIDE force intervened in the Glory/Thor fight (twice)? Gotcha. Like I said.

As long as you understand that in the original fight where he beat Glory, that there was no amp given to him or Mjolnir and it's valid, then I don't care what you say or said.

Once more:

Just to be clear, you're looking for scenes that indicate Thor can be a threat to a Trans tier character.

I'm assuming you're already aware of the God Blast and are discounting it, correct? Otherwise this conversation can be end even sooner.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The combined attack of Odin, Zeus, Vishnu didn't affect Arishem. The Uni-Mind, Zuras plus the entire Eternal race was one shotted. The Odin Destroyer wasn't able to do any physical damage (Using personal might) and was getting torn apart by attacks.

I think it's fairly obviously what would have happened if they got attacked.

Yeah but Thor's attacks didn't affect the Celestials either. So I'm not getting the outperformed part. One shotting the Uni-Mind by the Celestials isn't that impressive since they created them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah but Thor's attacks didn't affect the Celestials either. So I'm not getting the outperformed part. One shotting the Uni-Mind by the Celestials isn't that impressive since they created them.

One of his attacks damaged Celestial Armor during that scene. Which is understandable as with his strength doubled, he put a hole in Exitar and with the God Blast damaged the more durable shell that held his brain. He also survived direct shots.

It wasn't a scene that indicated some sort of manipulation. Rather just power, as with the Odin Destroyer.

@zop,

Did you say that you don't believe Thor can harm a trans tier?

It's silly.

His hurt both Galactus and Odin in Matt Fraction's run alone.

Originally posted by dmills
@zop,

Did you say that you don't believe Thor can harm a trans tier?

Harm and beat are two different things. Hell Spider-Woman "harmed" Worthy Hulk pretty convincingly.

Originally posted by zopzop
Harm and beat are two different things. Hell Spider-Woman "harmed" Worthy Hulk pretty convincingly.

Bendis 😛

Originally posted by dmills
Bendis 😛

But you get my point 🙂