Galactus vs Celestials (the fight happens in Feb)

It wasn't stated in the issue that it happened in IIRC, maybe somewhere else, but I never bothered to follow up on it:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_6-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_7-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg

Was it ever stated that 3 actual Solar Systems were destroyed? I mean the planets and shit, not just the Annihilation wave or planets wiped clean of them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Still doesn't answer my question. And Watchers like other characters fluctuate.

Scan of it being stated that a Galaxy was destroyed, that makes very little sense. We know and saw that the entire Galaxy wasn't annihilated.

Because of what I just said.

We'll see. I'm ignoring the obvious like Scathan or the Dreaming Celestial/Fullcrum shit during the Eternal series.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know for sure it was a Watcher? Where was this stated?

I'm pretty sure they can withstand that. Otherwise Galactus wouldn't have acted all surprised that Thanos with the HotU could kill a Celestial.

Afterall there is a Celestial head floating round in space, and dont forget the damage Thor and Sue Storm did and their power is nothing compared to Galactus

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It wasn't stated in the issue that it happened in IIRC, maybe somewhere else, but I never bothered to follow up on it:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_6-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_7-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg

Was it ever stated that 3 actual Solar Systems were destroyed? I mean the planets and shit, not just the Annihilation wave or planets wiped clean of them.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Sheer logic also Annihilus a high herald at best with q bands makes him around trans, shouldnt survive blasts of that magnitude.

It's a high end showing but it's not the dumbest thing a character of that tier has done.

Besides, we all know Thor would no sell that shit then proceed to rape Surfer.

g_serious

Originally posted by Nihilist
My bad it was in a early Nova issuse that covered the aftermath of the Anni War, soory i dont have a scanner..il pm Dmilss and ask him.

Just tell me the issue number or I can just take your word for it. Still doesn't make sense, we know a Galaxy wasn't destroyed, just wiped clean of the wave.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Not being a dick, but how?

Just so we're clear, I'm talking about why using direct comparisons wouldn't be in Galactus' best interest as Celestials so far outnumber him due to Odin/Cosmic Cubes or whatever.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah, we'll see 😖hifty:

mhmm

Originally posted by Nihilist
Links no work holmes

Shit, just Ctrl+F search Annihilation wave:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144535.0.html

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's a high end showing but it's not the dumbest thing a character of that tier has done.

Besides, we all know Thor would no sell that shit then proceed to rape Surfer.

g_serious

Just tell me the issue number or I can just take your word for it. Still doesn't make sense, we know a Galaxy wasn't destroyed, just wiped clean of the wave.

I wouldnt lie about it as im not a huge Galactus fan, i only ever get into it over Thanos.

Just so we're clear, I'm talking about why using direct comparisons wouldn't be in Galactus' best interest as Celestials so far outnumber him due to Odin/Cosmic Cubes or whatever.

mhmm [/B]

Originally posted by Nihilist
How many other have actually tanked(taken a direct hit) from a blast of the power/scope?

👆 Thanos would absorb a blast like that 🙂

😂

Does Surfer count?

Originally posted by Nihilist
TBH im not 100% sure, it was at the very start of his series, so id prolly say within issues 1-5.

I wouldnt lie about it as im not a huge Galactus fan, i only ever get into it over Thanos.

Alright, I'll check it out.

mhmm

So you admit that you lie about Thanos? Profiled for future references.

Originally posted by Nihilist
I see, but i just dont get all the hype the Celestials get, solo or collectively they havent imo shown that kind of force.

dur

I don't think it's unwarranted, they were introduced as being beyond all the other Cosmics, they were stated to be more powerful than Cosmic Cubes IIRC and they stomped Odin who up until that point was a major player. The All Father coincidentally has busted Galaxies and shit if you want to count that, of course I think he was jobbed.

Temporarily destroying the Odin Destroyer is probably the most specific Galactic level destruction feat I can think of at the moment. In that arc there power was really played up, hyperbolic shit like the Celestials possessing power to destroy Universes etc. was mentioned.

In my opinion, a fed Galactus should have the power edge over Odin while being a peer to the average Celestial (Meaning not Exitar, Scathan, or the Dreaming Celestial). That's completely ignoring Thor #300 which I won't do in a real debate.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah, it was either Nova or a prologue to Anni Conqeust

If anyone knows where this was stated can you please post the issue number or a scan?

Yeah but he was suprised a guy that was more or less TOOA killed a Celestial, thats retarded.

Afterall there is a Celestial head floating round in space, and dont forget the damage Thor and Sue Storm did and their power is nothing compared to Galactus

Sue used a weakness exploit and heavy PIS/CIS to accomplish her goal. Thor didn't do any lasting damage. Hell the 2000ft Destroyer was lopping off their arms and it was regrowing back instantly. So your Thor example is pointless. In that very issue, Mjolnir and his Belt of Strength were destroyed but the SERVANT of the Celestials repaired both with a wave of his hand.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Afterall there is a Celestial head floating round in space, and dont forget the damage Thor and Sue Storm did and their power is nothing compared to Galactus

Tbf, we have no idea how it died and it was treated like some inconceivable occurrence. Also, Sue Storm had a very -plot- specific weakness and Thor used the God Blast, which as we all know can operate on a Cosmic scale. The Odinson never did any lasting damage, in the Thor books at least, the Celestials were beyond physical forms, even existing at the same time across multiple times.

Galactus has had more than his fair share of low showings as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Does Surfer count?

Alright, I'll check it out.

mhmm

So you admit that you lie about Thanos? Profiled for future references.

I don't think it's unwarranted, they were introduced as being beyond all the other Cosmics, they were stated to be more powerful than Cosmic Cubes IIRC and they stomped Odin who up until that point was a major player. The All Father has busted Galaxies and shit if you want to count that, of course I think he was jobbed.

Temporarily destroying the Odin Destroyer is probably the most specific Galactic level destruction feat I can think of at the moment. In that arc there power was really played up, hyperbolic shit like the Celestials possessing power to destroy Universes etc. was mentioned.

In my opinion, a fed Galactus should have the power edge over Odin while being a peer to the average Celestial (Meaning not Exitar, Scathan, or the Dreaming Celestial). That's completely ignoring Thor #300 which I won't do in a real debate.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It wasn't stated in the issue that it happened in IIRC, maybe somewhere else, but I never bothered to follow up on it:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_6-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/Galactus%20Respect%20Thread%20II%20Energy%20Manipulation/026_7-Destroystheannihilationwave-A.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it ever stated that 3 actual Solar Systems were destroyed? I mean the planets and shit, not just the Annihilation wave or planets wiped clean of them.

Originally posted by zopzop

If anyone knows where this was stated can you please post the issue number or a scan?

Sue used a weakness exploit and heavy PIS/CIS to accomplish her goal. Thor didn't do any lasting damage. Hell the 2000ft Destroyer was lopping off their arms and it was regrowing back instantly. So your Thor example is pointless. In that very issue, Mjolnir and his Belt of Strength were destroyed but the SERVANT of the Celestials repaired both with a wave of his hand.

Thats my whole point Galactus not being jobbed down would be able to dish stuff more powerfull and longer lasting damage wise than what the Celestial took before.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thats the thing for me though, Celestial vs Asgard was 20-30 years ago, i honestly dont see that going down the same now as it did then.

Yeah well I had the exact same opinion but the fight was confirmed in Sacred Invasion as recently as 2007(?).

So as of 2007, the fight would go down exactly the way depicted in Thor 300.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah

There you go then.

Originally posted by Nihilist
LOL you know what i meant, i dont really give a shit about a "debate" unless Thanos is involved

Nuh uh, still counts.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thats the thing for me though, Celestial vs Asgard was 20-30 years ago, i honestly dont see that going down the same now as it did then.

I don't think it will either, that was the probably the lowest point in Odin's history as Thomas specifically toned them down. Still it was a very momentous occasion, when someone thinks of Odin/Celestials, that issue immediately comes to mind. For some reason Gods being below Cosmics is something that many Marvel fans accept readily.

Imo, if Odin enters the Destroyer and then doubles his power by absorbing the Odin Force from Asgard/Asgardians, his the clear favorite against Galactus but based on Thor #300 that still wouldn't put him on par with a Celestial.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Oh, I never doubted that the blast was Galactic in scale, that much is non debatable imo, I was just curious where it was stated that it destroyed the entire Galaxy. Very different from sweeping it clean of the Annihilation Wave.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I doubt the three solar systems were tickled.

I'm not trying to lowball Galactus just trying to clarify if they were destroyed or wiped clean of the wave.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh, I never doubted that the blast was Galactic in scale, that much is non debatable imo, I was just curious where it was stated that it destroyed the entire Galaxy. Very different from sweeping it clean of the Annihilation Wave.

I'm not trying to lowball Galactus just trying to clarify if they were destroyed or wiped clean of the wave.

But I also think that is retarded.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'd be far more impressed with Galactus if he directly targeted only the Annihilation Wave throughout the galaxy and somehow left everything else relatively unscathed.

But I also think that is retarded.

I don't know how else to explain the unscathed planets like the one Gamora was on or the specifications about the Annihilation Wave being destroyed.

^ I agree. You don't know how.

Originally posted by zopzop
Quick question, did people even READ the Black Celestial arc in FF that featured that future version of Tiamut and Galactus? For those of you who didn't here's some key facts :

I have, and it seems to me as though you need a refresh of some of the key points in that arc.

a) An IMPRISIONED and depowered Tiamut ALTERED Galactus' very being. Tiamut was still in his coma and he played with Galactus' like a toy

An imprisoned Tiamut "SUBTLY" altered a Galactus who was quite literally dying: he was comatose and within moments of death. The text made it clear that Tiamut "dreamed" him altered, but the implication was that it was Galactus' "incalculable power" that tempted Tiamut and that he was ONLY able to accomplish that feat because Galactus was already at death's door.

The story ALSO clearly implied that Tiamut's alterations led to a condition Galactus long believed was was a possibility anyway, hence the very existence of the UN.

2) Right before that Black Hole incident, Reed discovered that the only reason Tiamut was up and about was because of the engines the Deviants made in his prison base. He sends Gladiator with an entire cities worth of high tech Shi'ar explosives to destroy the base just as they were leading him around the Time Bubble. He was DEPOWERED by the time he made it to Galactus' belly/black hole and that's why he couldn't resist or protect himself from the effect.

Tiamut would have been consumed by Galactus at that point if he entered the event horizon of Galactus' black hole regardless of his power level. What Reed did was make sure that Tiamut lacked the power necessary to wrench himself away from Galactus' gravitational pull, nothing more nothing less.

It's not like Galactus was consciously directing his energies towards devouring Tiamut, the BC was just at the wrong place at the wrong time thanks to Reed.