Galactus vs Celestials (the fight happens in Feb)

Originally posted by zopzop
Quick question, did people even READ the Black Celestial arc in FF that featured that future version of Tiamut and Galactus? For those of you who didn't here's some key facts :

I have, and it seems to me as though you need a refresh of some of the key points in that arc.

a) An IMPRISIONED and depowered Tiamut ALTERED Galactus' very being. Tiamut was still in his coma and he played with Galactus' like a toy

An imprisoned Tiamut "SUBTLY" altered a Galactus who was quite literally dying: he was comatose and within moments of death. The text made it clear that Tiamut "dreamed" him altered, but the implication was that it was Galactus' "incalculable power" that tempted Tiamut and that he was ONLY able to accomplish that feat because Galactus was already at death's door.

The story ALSO clearly implied that Tiamut's alterations led to a condition Galactus long believed was a possibility anyway, hence the very existence of the UN.

2) Right before that Black Hole incident, Reed discovered that the only reason Tiamut was up and about was because of the engines the Deviants made in his prison base. He sends Gladiator with an entire cities worth of high tech Shi'ar explosives to destroy the base just as they were leading him around the Time Bubble. He was DEPOWERED by the time he made it to Galactus' belly/black hole and that's why he couldn't resist or protect himself from the effect. [/B]

Tiamut would have been consumed by Galactus at that point if he entered the event horizon of Galactus' black hole regardless of his power level. What Reed did was make sure that Tiamut lacked the power necessary to wrench himself away from Galactus' gravitational pull, nothing more nothing less.

It's not like Galactus was consciously directing his energies towards devouring Tiamut, the BC was just at the wrong place at the wrong time thanks to Reed.

and tiamut awoke 500,000 years later and galactus knew fear

galactus also fears franklin richards who is respected by the celestials and is richards' son

it will b interesting to see how its done

waiting

Originally posted by TheRavager

An imprisoned Tiamut "SUBTLY" altered a Galactus who was quite literally dying: he was comatose and within moments of death. The text made it clear that Tiamut "dreamed" him altered, but the implication was that it was Galactus' "incalculable power" that tempted Tiamut and that he was ONLY able to accomplish that feat because Galactus was already at death's door.

The story ALSO clearly implied that Tiamut's alterations led to a condition Galactus long believed was a possibility anyway, hence the very existence of the UN.

Tiamut would have been consumed by Galactus at that point if he entered the event horizon of Galactus' black hole regardless of his power level. What Reed did was make sure that Tiamut lacked the power necessary to wrench himself away from Galactus' gravitational pull, nothing more nothing less.
It's not like Galactus was consciously directing his energies towards devouring Tiamut, the BC was just at the wrong place at the wrong time thanks to Reed.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes I'm aware this occured when Galactus was on Earth and dying. But read the scan. It said "as he (Galactus) was healing, the Master (Tiamut) dreamt him whole but altered." Nothing "subtle" there. An "imprisoned and power drained/locked away in a key Tiamut" was still able to alter the physiology of another cosmic being, "dreaming him whole but altered".

That very scan explicitly makes clear that the opportunity ONLY arose due to Galactus being near death. Healing from near death =/= optimal levels of health.

"At last his chance came when Galactus, a being of incalculable power, lay dying on earth"

how do u think it will go my friend

do u think franklin will b the key to both galactus and celestials living

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
That very scan explicitly makes clear that the opportunity ONLY arose due to Galactus being near death. Healing from near death =/= optimal levels of health.

"At last his chance came when Galactus, a being of incalculable power, lay dying on earth"

The fact that he was able to "dream Galactus whole but altered" is a damn good feat in and of itself.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, Galactus was alive and healing from his near death experience, BUT Tiamut was DEPOWERED and locked in a prison and STILL was able to affect another cosmic being by altering his physiology.

The fact that he was able to "dream Galactus whole but altered" is a damn good feat in and of itself. [/B]

All of that is conditional on Galactus being near death.
That chance doesn't come unless Galactus was near death.

Otherwise he could have done it (altered G's hunger mentality) BEFORE he was near death. Instead it explicitly states his chance came about ONLY when Galactus was dying.

That's tantamount to saying even though I'm in jail and have mental inhibitors on, I can transmute you into a manatee.

Yeah, but I can do that ONLY after you were shot in the brain and in the hospital in critical but stable condition.

Given that requisite, it's a far cry from "Tiamut was depowered and imprisoneed but still managed to do xyz to Galactus" as you are presenting it.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
All of that is conditional on Galactus being near death.
That chance doesn't come unless Galactus was near death.

Otherwise he could have done it (altered G's hunger mentality) BEFORE he was near death. Instead it explicitly states his chance came about ONLY when Galactus was dying.

That's tantamount to saying even though I'm in jail and have mental inhibitors on, I can transmute you into a manatee.

Yeah, but I can do that ONLY after you were shot in the brain and in the hospital in critical but stable condition.

Given that requisite, it's a far cry from "Tiamut was depowered and imprisoneed but still managed to do xyz to Galactus" as you are presenting it.

We reading the same scans right? An imprisoned, DEPOWERED Tiamut altered a recovering Galactus (scan states : "as he (Galactus) was healing"😉. He (Tiamut) "dreamed him whole but altered".

tiamut's dreams haunted warren helped push him over the edge

tiamut put the entire earth to sleep...where was dumbass richards

tiamut has his powers back

tiamut the communicator/dreamer is one bad mutha******

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes I'm aware this occured when Galactus was on Earth and dying. But read the scan. It said "as he (Galactus) was healing, the Master (Tiamut) dreamt him whole but altered." Nothing "subtle" there. An "imprisoned and power drained/locked away in a key Tiamut" was still able to alter the physiology of another cosmic being, "dreaming him whole but altered".

The pertinent quote here being, "At last his chance came when Galactus, a being of incalculable power, lay dying on earth."

The implication being that he was only capable of this feat because Galactus, you know, "lay dying on earth"...comatose, defenseless.

The story implied no such thing. It was only because of Tiamut's power, even while imprisoned, that Galactus was thus altered.

Sorry, but it most certainly did. Reed pretty much confirms this is the very reason the UN exists.

Originally posted by TheRavager
The pertinent quote here being, "At last his chance came when Galactus, a being of incalculable power, lay dying on earth." The implication being that he was only capable of this feat because Galactus, you know, "lay dying on earth"...comatose, defenseless.

The very NEXT sentence says, "As he (Galactus) was healing, the Master (Tiamut) dreamed him whole but altered."

Tiamut, who was depowered and imprisoned, still had it in him to alter Galactus as he was healing from his near death experience.

Sorry, but it most certainly did. Reed pretty much confirms this is the very reason the UN exists.

Where was this stated?

Originally posted by zopzop
We reading the same scans right? An imprisoned, DEPOWERED Tiamut altered a recovering Galactus (scan states : "as he (Galactus) was healing"😉. He (Tiamut) "dreamed him whole but altered".

Dude, honest question, is English not your first language?

The whole sentence has a conditional structure.

GIVEN that Galactus was dying, he will recuperate and heal.

That is when Tiamut had his chance. You really are struggling with this more than you should be. It doesn't matter that Tiamut was depowered, he had the opportunity to do it only when Galactus was explicitly weakened due to near death.

If he is NOT near death, then he doesn't "the opportunity."

Again this isn't hard to grasp. Tiamut being imprisoned is a state that is constant. The OPPORTUNITY is the only variable.

The power of the feat is drastically reduced because he only do it after Galactus was near death. How are you not comprehending this? You are so hung up on the phrase "healing" that you immediately try to conceptualize it in some abstract fashion like "Oh Galactus must have mostly healed by then" when in fact the whole thing is unquantified, with the only certainty that the opportunity arose when Galactus was in a near death state and substantially vulnerable for quite some time afterwards.

In the context as written power cosmic is right. The scans clearly indicate it required this special circumstance of death coming on that gave tiamat the chance to alter Galactus...

As to whether a freed Tiamat could alter a normal Galactus who knows! All we have is what's happened on panel.

Pc and ravaged: +1