Originally posted by NephthysThis is idiotic since the ONLY thing suggested is that he overcame them with his own power.
No, you are speculating. All we know is that they walked into a room and didn't walk out again. We have no clue what happened in there. You are merely speculating that he overcame them through his own power when there is nothing to suggest it. Its completely unknown what he did so it cannot be used as an example of his combat prowess.
Originally posted by truejedi
you know, he could have just had their speeders blown up, or the building they were working in bombed. Lots of ways to kill someone, and quite a stretch to assume he did it with overwhelming hand-to-hand combat...
Spoiler:
1. Lord Scourge went to meet Lord Vitiate, and informed him of the treachery of the Dark Council.2. Lord Vitiate dispatched his forces to destroy the compound of Lord Nyriss and kill her.
3. While the assault took place on Nyriss' compound, Lord Vitiate summoned all other Dark Council members to his citadel.
4. Lord Scourge and the Jedi escaped from the aftermath of the attack on the Nyriss' compound and took refuge in a cave.
5. Lord Scourge went out to observe the situation in Kaas City and make arrangements for assassination of Lord Vitiate. The Sith Emperor had imposed martial law.
6. Upon return, Lord Scourge revealed to the Jedi about the fate of the Dark Council. He mentioned that Lord Vitiate had destroyed the entire Dark Council by himself to make an example for all others who would harbored thoughts of betraying him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is how the events unfolded:Spoiler:
1. Lord Scourge went to meet Lord Vitiate, and informed him of the treachery of the Dark Council.2. Lord Vitiate dispatched his forces to destroy the compound of Lord Nyriss and kill her.
3. While the assault took place on Nyriss' compound, Lord Vitiate summoned all other Dark Council members to his citadel.
4. Lord Scourge and the Jedi escaped from the aftermath of the attack on the Nyriss' compound and took refuge in a cave.
5. Lord Scourge went out to observe the situation in Kaas City and make arrangements for assassination of Lord Vitiate. The Sith Emperor had imposed martial law.
6. Upon return, Lord Scourge revealed to the Jedi about the fate of the Dark Council. He mentioned that Lord Vitiate had destroyed the entire Dark Council by himself to make an example for all others who would harbored thoughts of betraying him.
Palpatine could have defeated the entirety of his dark side adepts collectively, including a guy who matched and obliterated Ood Bnar, what's your point?
You keep throwing out feats like they mean much without pausing to consider it's not unique
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Palpatine could have defeated the entirety of his dark side adepts collectively, including a guy who matched and obliterated Ood Bnar, what's your point?
You keep throwing out feats like they mean much without pausing to consider it's not unique
One of those Dark Side adepts was capable of going toe to toe with one of the most respected and celebrated masters of the Old Republic calling upon the power of Ossus until they achieved mutual obliteration.
What prevents Palpatine's adepts from being as strong as sith lords of old? Would anyone deny Cronal was at the level of an average Dark Lord of the Sith, for one? Would anyone deny Kadann or Azrakel have displayed pretty incredible power? Or Arden Lyn, a 25,000 year old original Dark Jedi?
Originally posted by LightsnakeGood one. Certain words were bolded for irrelevance. You'll have to excuse me if I ignore this feat because the tree lacks any kind of relevant combat prowess.
One of those Dark Side adepts was capable of going toe to toe with one of the most respected and celebrated masters of the Old Republic calling upon the power of Ossus until they achieved mutual obliteration.
What prevents Palpatine's adepts from being as strong as sith lords of old? Would anyone deny Cronal was at the level of an average Dark Lord of the Sith, for one? Would anyone deny Kadann or Azrakel have displayed pretty incredible power? Or Arden Lyn, a 25,000 year old original Dark Jedi? [/B]Seeing as how they're just adepts and nothing more, compared to dark lords of the sith who command various myriads of force techniques (and no i don't need to specify), there's no real comparison here. Also, explain Arden Lynn's superiority to anyone. And finally, explain the relevance of foresight as it pertains to combat?
Ah, so I see that Ood Bnar is suddenly an untalented fool now? Even if lightsaber combat wasn't his forte, he was noted for exceptional learning, strength in the force and had Ossus's power to draw on.
And they're 'adepts' because Palpatine granted them that title. He doesn't HAVE other Sith Lords. What does the title even matter? Cronal's power in the Dark Side was frankly titanic. He didn't call himself Sith because he considered it wholly irrelevant.
And Arden was the second in command of the Legions of Lettow. That says a lot for her strength, givne that she was one of the major players of the first great Schism.
The Dark Side adepts also command 'myriad of Force techniques,' given many of them were taught by Palpatine or members of Sith Cults before he found them. One of them (Rokur Gepta) wiped out all life on a planet with a force technique.
To say a freaking abolished title means anything is insane. Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun and Naga Sadow weren't 'Darths,' does that mean they're weaker next to Darth Rivan and Darth Nyriss?
These aren't level up classes they have. It's just splitting hairs over an abolished title.
And Kadann's main power was his prophetic abilities. He was also an immensely powerful force user and saber user. He just disliked physical force and often simply left if someone attempted it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ah, so I see that Ood Bnar is suddenly an untalented fool now? Even if lightsaber combat wasn't his forte, he was noted for exceptional learning, strength in the force and had Ossus's power to draw on.
And they're 'adepts' because Palpatine granted them that title. He doesn't HAVE other Sith Lords. What does the title even matter? Cronal's power in the Dark Side was frankly titanic. He didn't call himself Sith because he considered it wholly irrelevant.
And Arden was the second in command of the Legions of Lettow. That says a lot for her strength, givne that she was one of the major players of the first great Schism.
The Dark Side adepts also command 'myriad of Force techniques,' given many of them were taught by Palpatine or members of Sith Cults before he found them. One of them (Rokur Gepta) wiped out all life on a planet with a force technique.
To say a freaking abolished title means anything is insane. Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun and Naga Sadow weren't 'Darths,' does that mean they're weaker next to Darth Rivan and Darth Nyriss?
These aren't level up classes they have. It's just splitting hairs over an abolished title.
And Kadann's main power was his prophetic abilities. He was also an immensely powerful force user and saber user. He just disliked physical force and often simply left if someone attempted it [/B]
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wonderful strawman. If you want to start typing to yourself, I suggest you show a modicum of civility. I'm not going to sift through things you just make up. As I've stated before, combat wasn't his forte so pointing him out is irrelevant.
I'm sorry. But you are one of the last people to talk about civility
And learn the definition of a strawman.
He said lightsaber combat wasn't his forte. He was still a veteran of the Great Hyperspace War, is described as one of the most revered, powerful and respected masters of the Old Jedi Order. He is also described as a very skilled fighter by his apprentice.
And quote:
"he was an expert at using the Force, and had a wide array of powers in his repertoire."
Titanic? LOL.. You'll have to quantify that somehow. And they're adepts because they happen to basic dark side powers and nothing more. Dark Lords earn that title because they're the most powerful sith in their entire empire. It's not even a contest.
Oh, for the...
Palpatine [b]didn't let anyone else call themselves Sith. By your definition, how strong does this make Lumiya? And Carnor Jax? And Flint? All of whom were acknowledged Dark Lords of the Sith at various intervals.
You're, again, splitting hairs over a title. Jerec, Galen Marek, Sedriss, Cronal? Those are all Dark Side adepts.
And while we're on the subject, Cronal dominated the mind of an ancient DLOTS and tore knowledge out of him.
Rokur Gepta destroyed all life on Tund
Oh whoopie, please give an accurate comparison between the dark side force users of her day versus any other time period. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and throw her in the "unknown" category, seeing as how we know nothing about her.
I love how you kept flaunting out how Vitiate is so amazing for 1000 years of whatever, but Arden is 25 times that. She was capable of killing one of the leaders of the Jedi Order at the time, when she just woke out of hibernation, she was capable of holding her own against three members of the Inquisitorius, including the grand Inquisitor and she was strong enough to survive a Morichro attempt at killing her.
You're welcome to look up Abel G. Pena's "The Emperor's Pawns" that describes her powers and abilities
Really? What was that force technique again? There's nothing suggesting these adepts were anywhere near the level of the dark lords of the true sith empire. If there's nothing else, Palpatine would have taught them the basics, just enough so they can't challenge him in any manner.
Oh, right, the amazing Sith Lords who couldn't take one planet of almost entirely non-force sensitive Soldiers? The amazing Sith Lords who couldn't even take a single city defended by a grand total of four Jedi?
Rokur Gepta, the last Sorcerer of Tund, in the Lando Calrissian books, is said to have used the 'electromagnetic torpedo' ability of the Sorcerers to have destroyed life on Tund.
And Palpatine's adepts are also described as having fed off of planets
No, but they were dark lords of the sith, as were the darths of the true sith empire. Maybe you don't know the makeup of that empire but the dark council was made up of dark lords.
And your point is? The name 'Darth' carries a lot of connotations in the Sith. Kas'im wasn't a Dark Lord of the Sith. Does that mean he'd automatically lose in a fight to Lord Garu or Darth Nyriss?
Does Nyriss have anything that suggests she could even beat Sedriss or Cronal? Cronal, who dominated Dathka Graush's spirit and consumed its knowledge?
It's not splitting hairs when you're comparing generic dark side force users to dark lords with intricate sith knowledge.
Again, Lumiya eventually took the title of Sith. So did Carnor Jax. Does that make them better than multiple Dark Side adepts we can name?
Show me relevant force/combat feats. [/B]
He's directly described as one of the most powerful Force Users around, with only Yoda, Palpatine, Luke and Vader rivaling him.
And powerful, controlled force lightning is more than nearly any member of the Dark Council has shown. So, do you have anything besides 'But they're SITH' to go on? Anything?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm sorry. But you are one of the last people to talk about civility
And learn the definition of a strawman.
He said lightsaber combat wasn't his forte. He was still a veteran of the Great Hyperspace War, is described as one of the most revered, powerful and respected masters of the Old Jedi Order. He is also described as a very skilled fighter by his apprentice.
And quote:
"he was an expert at using the Force, and had a wide array of powers in his repertoire."
Palpatine didn't let anyone else call themselves Sith. By your definition, how strong does this make Lumiya? And Carnor Jax? And Flint? All of whom were acknowledged Dark Lords of the Sith at various intervals.
You're, again, splitting hairs over a title. Jerec, Galen Marek, Sedriss, Cronal? Those are all Dark Side adepts.
And while we're on the subject, Cronal dominated the mind of an ancient DLOTS and tore knowledge out of him.
Rokur Gepta destroyed all life on Tund
I love how you kept flaunting out how Vitiate is so amazing for 1000 years of whatever, but Arden is 25 times that. She was capable of killing one of the leaders of the Jedi Order at the time, when she just woke out of hibernation, she was capable of holding her own against three members of the Inquisitorius, including the grand Inquisitor and she was strong enough to survive a Morichro attempt at killing her.
You're welcome to look up Abel G. Pena's "The Emperor's Pawns" that describes her powers and abilities
Oh, right, the amazing Sith Lords who couldn't take one planet of almost entirely non-force sensitive Soldiers? The amazing Sith Lords who couldn't even take a single city defended by a grand total of four Jedi?
Rokur Gepta, the last Sorcerer of Tund, in the Lando Calrissian books, is said to have used the 'electromagnetic torpedo' ability of the Sorcerers to have destroyed life on Tund.
And Palpatine's adepts are also described as having fed off of planets
And your point is? The name 'Darth' carries a lot of connotations in the Sith. Kas'im wasn't a Dark Lord of the Sith. Does that mean he'd automatically lose in a fight to Lord Garu or Darth Nyriss?
Does Nyriss have anything that suggests she could even beat Sedriss or Cronal? Cronal, who dominated Dathka Graush's spirit and consumed its knowledge?
'Generic' users? Repeat, 'Dark Side Adept' is a generic term. it has nothing to do with power or anything of the sort.Palpatine didn't want any other Sith than himself as his strict Apprentice.
Again, Lumiya eventually took the title of Sith. So did Carnor Jax. Does that make them better than multiple Dark Side adepts we can name?
He's directly described as one of the most powerful Force Users around, with only Yoda, Palpatine, Luke and Vader rivaling him.
And powerful, controlled force lightning is more than nearly any member of the Dark Council has shown. So, do you have anything besides 'But they're SITH' to go on? Anything? [/B]
Yea, they've shown power beyond these dark side adepts so unless you have ANY kind of evidence that they're even on par with these darths, you lose.. Again.