Originally posted by kgkg
Just to clear things.The first time Surfer gets the Ob disk.. He was weakened to the point Surfer says like "never before"
The second time Surfer just sealed the Old Power.
After that he was having difficulty speaking and also mentions that he only has power to leave the planet and do nothing else.
I mentioned all this.
Originally posted by kgkg
Based on what really?
The lack of evidence? I asked Naija if there are any scenes that show his silver coating gets weaker if his energy levels are depleted to an extent as I couldn't think of any. And he stated that isn't the norm and it's apparently an isolated incident under Pak. I however am not sure if that was the case even under Pak. Hence the discussion between us.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The second time the obedience disk penetrated his skin, I'm pretty sure he just lost some energy sealing the Old Power.I'm not too sure about that. During the flash back, Surfer stated that the portal had weakened him, leaving him more vulnerable than before but that might be in regards to the drain in power, not his durability taking a dive. In Planet Hulk he was still very durable to piercing attacks even when cut off from the flow of Power Cosmic. I'd say that under Pak, Norrin is incredibly durable to piercing attacks, but just that, incredibly durable. Objects can apparently penetrate his skin.
Being vulnerable doesn't necessarily mean a decrease in piercing durability.
Bloodaxe was repeatedly pounding on a Masteson Thor who had his strength removed by Odin/Loki. He had a bruise bu
t other than that, he was completely fine. Not a scratch.At his higher ends, Thor's pretty damn durable. Even in regards to piercing attacks. Let that be clear.
Yes he had used up his PC to the point that all he could do was fly back to meet galactus. As i said before we see the precedent for this dive in durability in the earlier planet hulk issue
Looking at the Surfers statements, its pretty clear that it was the vulnerability caused by the portal that made his flesh capable of being pierced by the obedience disk. The arrangement of the dialogue shows this. He first mentions that the portal had weakened him, and then emphasizes that he was more vulnerable than ever before. Vulnerability many times refers to susceptibility to injury and in that context would apply more accurately to such than to simly having low energy reserves . Its then after explaining to us how he was more vulnerable than ever before that he mentions that his captors pierced his flesh. The set up leading to that statement therefore heavily suggests that his vulnerability played a huge part in it. Moreover there are also other scenarios where Surfer has been shown to reduce (even if not as greatly) in overall durability when weakened tho they arent many.
Ill go look at the bloodaxe incident but it still matters little. While at his higher ends Thors piercing durability may indeed be high, its is clearly not on a consistent basis on Surfers level.
Originally posted by Starscream M
actuall if you want to get technical, colossus has faced superior cutting attacks than surfer and remained unfazedcolossus has faced wolverine's claws head on whereas I dont believe surfer has. so if anything, colossus has superior pierce feat.
Firstly collossus did get scratched by wolverines claws. iirc it was even said he was no match for them. So thats not a feat to even be used. Moreover id wager that Morg swinging his cosmic axe is a bit more dangerous than wolverine swiping at you with his claws.
Originally posted by Naija boyyes, all it did was scratch him...I believe surfer would get scratched as well
Firstly collossus did get scratched by wolverines claws. iirc it was even said he was no match for them. So thats not a feat to even be used. Moreover id wager that Morg swinging his cosmic axe is a bit more dangerous than wolverine swiping at you with his claws.
you're basing morg's axe being more dangerous than logan's claws on what exacty?
Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos being scratched by Wolverine was PIS and CIS combined. How do you scratch a guy that survived a black hole without being turned into sub atomic particles. I'd say Thanos is more than capable of taking down Bor.
Agreed about Wolverine hurting Thanos, but surviving a black hole isn't really proof he'd tank Bor, considering a lot of lower tier (Lower then Thanos or Bor, imo) characters survived black holes, including Ravenous and his Seekers.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Yes he had used up his PC to the point that all he could do was fly back to meet galactus. As i said before we see the precedent for this dive in durability in the earlier planet hulk issueLooking at the Surfers statements, its pretty clear that it was the vulnerability caused by the portal that made his flesh capable of being pierced by the obedience disk. The arrangement of the dialogue shows this. He first mentions that the portal had weakened him, and then emphasizes that he was more vulnerable than ever before. Vulnerability many times refers to susceptibility to injury and in that context would apply more accurately to such than to simly having low energy reserves . Its then after explaining to us how he was more vulnerable than ever before that he mentions that his captors pierced his flesh. The set up leading to that statement therefore heavily suggests that his vulnerability played a huge part in it. Moreover there are also other scenarios where Surfer has been shown to reduce (even if not as greatly) in overall durability when weakened.
Ill go look at the bloodaxe incident but it still matters little. While at his higher ends Thors piercing durability may indeed be high, its is clearly not on a consistent basis on Surfers level.
You see, I'm not as convinced as you are. I'm not sure whether this is wishful thinking on your -our- part or Pak not abiding by the stance that Surfer's skin is nigh impenetrable. Under Pak, he was still very resistant to piercing even with the obedience disk. And aforementioned obedience disk doesn't cut him off from the Power Cosmic, it prevents him from using it.
I guess the scene is open to interpretation. We'd probably need Pak's own words to come to a non debatable conclusion. I'll try and find out if he commented on the issue.
Like I said, Norrin stating his more vulnerable than ever might refer to him being significantly weakened and being in chains, unable to defend himself. Vulnerability doesn't necessarily mean weakness of the flesh. Those other scenarios would be the examples I'm looking for. If there is precedence that Norrin's silver coating takes a dive in overall durability when weakened, then I won't debate the point.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsBloodaxe8.jpg
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Originally posted by Stoichow does thanos durability compare to some who is more durable than mljonir which can tank galaxy obliterating attacks?
Thanos being scratched by Wolverine was PIS and CIS combined. How do you scratch a guy that survived a black hole without being turned into sub atomic particles. I'd say Thanos is more than capable of taking down Bor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, all it did was scratch him...I believe surfer would get scratched as wellyou're basing morg's axe being more dangerous than logan's claws on what exacty?
IIRC it was also mentioned that he was no match for them and then we have the other statement of him mentioning it can cut him down to the bone.
On his being able to slice surfers board clean in half with one swing. (oh and before someone brings up Surfers board and Surfer being made of the same material, Surfer has been shown in the past to take attacks that have completely destroyed his board without being damaged similar to this case.).
