Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You see, I'm not as convinced as you are. I'm not sure whether this is wishful thinking on your -our- part or Pak not abiding by the stance that Surfer's skin is nigh impenetrable. Under Pak, he was still very resistant to piercing even with the obedience disk. And aforementioned obedience disk doesn't cut him off from the Power Cosmic, it prevents him from using it.I guess the scene is open to interpretation. We'd probably need Pak's own words to come to a non debatable conclusion. I'll try and find out if he commented on the issue.
Like I said, Norrin stating his more vulnerable than ever might refer to him being significantly weakened and being in chains, unable to defend himself. Vulnerability doesn't necessarily mean weakness of the flesh. Those other scenarios would be the examples I'm looking for. If there is precedence that Norrin's silver coating takes a dive in overall durability when weakened, then I won't debate the point.
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Later on when Surfer had the Obedience disk on him, id say that he was certainly no longer as vulnerable or as weak as his initial state considering how he was initially tooling the warbound. Even then its mentioned that his skin cant be cut by one of the warbound members which would lend credence to it being cut earlier thanks to the vulnerability caused by the portal
My laziness makes me not really want to go and search the archives for those examples but off the top of my head, there was the time when he was cut off from his energy reserves in dynamo city and he was able to get easily koed by some random robots.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo never been pierced by normal means... and only gets pierced by meta human strength when he is weak is not evidence? Especially when it was mentioned that he is extremely weak right before he gets pierced.. Common now
The lack of evidence?
Funny think is every time the Surfer has been pierced they have made a big deal out of it at least when it's not done by cosmic forces.
The only lack of evidence is of Surfer getting pieced when not drained..
We have seen surfer tank sharp object easily... Like the time when Tiger Shark should scratch him.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Later on when Surfer had the Obedience disk on him, id say that he was certainly no longer as vulnerable or as weak as his initial state considering how he was initially tooling the warbound. Even then its mentioned that his skin cant be cut by one of the warbound members which would lend credence to it being cut earlier thanks to the vulnerability caused by the portalMy laziness makes me not really want to go and search the archives for those examples but off the top of my head, there was the time when he was cut off from his energy reserves in dynamo city and he was able to get easily koed by some random robots.
You and I seem to have a different take on that Warbound scene. I guess it can be used to help justify either of our stances.
In Dynamo City he was completely drained and cut off from the Power Cosmic. He was hungry for the first time, and couldn't even perform manual labor as it was too hot in his metallic skin. I'd expect his overall durability to take a dive in such a situation but I'll guess it will do as an example. I'll end the discussion here.
Originally posted by kgkg
So never been pierced by normal means... and only gets pierced by meta human strength when he is weak is not evidence? Especially when it was mentioned that he is extremely weak right before he gets pierced.. Common nowFunny think is every time the Surfer has been pierced they have made a big deal out of it at least when it's not done by cosmic forces.
The only lack of evidence is of Surfer getting pieced when not drained..
We have seen surfer tank sharp object easily... Like the time when Tiger Shark should scratch him.
What do you mean by "normal"? Clearly the obedience disk was far from a regular/normal object as even on Sakaar he was still incredibly durable. Vulnerability does not necessary equate a dive in durability.
Okay.
Okay.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNormal as in frigging robots and goons stabbing surfer.
What do you mean by "normal"? Clearly the obedience disk was far from a regular/normal object as even on Sakaar he was still incredibly durable. Vulnerability does not necessary equate a dive in durability.
Even when Surfer is drained he still has good durability but no where near what he does when he is operating at normal levels.
Surfer is able to amp every aspect of his powers....so having lack of that power means he can't operate at optimal levels.
Considering Surfer is mention to be extremely weak every time he gets stabbed well kinda obvious his durability is not the same.
Originally posted by kgkg
Normal as in frigging robots and goons stabbing surfer.Even when Surfer is drained he still has good durability but no where near what he does when he is operating at normal levels.
Surfer is able to amp every aspect of his powers....so having lack of that power means he can't operate at optimal levels.
Considering Surfer is mention to be extremely weak every time he gets stabbed well kinda obvious his durability is not the same.
Well, I wouldn't expect that to happen. Surfer is usually considered a "nigh invulnerable" character like Superman or Gladiator.
That's what's being contested. Or was.
I'm not debating that a weakened Surfer will be as durable as a full power Surfer capable of amping himself. That stance wouldn't make sense.
That depends entirely on the context in which the statements are given. For example, the one on Sakaar doesn't necessarily mean that his durability took a dive no matter how much you want it to. He was still nigh invulnerable to other attacks, an obedience disk was simply able to penetrate his skin. That in itself doesn't automatically mean he was referring to his piercing durability when he stated he was vulnerable. He was trapped in chains and had his energy drained to some extent.
If Superman can beat Bor and so can Thor why cant Thanos?
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/bor-vs-superman/401726/
Originally posted by King Castle
If Superman can beat Bor and so can Thor why cant Thanos?http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/bor-vs-superman/401726/
did you just link to another forum discussion? 😕
WE'RE the experts--they should be linking to us! 😠
ps--seriously--are we supposed to take anything a different forum says as proof.....? 😑
