So that was my plan 1. I'm not saying all of the below plans work - after all, Cyclops had loads of plans against Kuurth, not all of which worked.
Plan 2 - MAgik opens a portal above Hulk, Namor, Colossaunaut and Hope channelling both Colossus' and Namor's strength and Elixir's power drops out. All three of them hold Hulk down, backed up by Magneto controlling his nervous system (like he's doing with the Celestial right now). I'm not saying that any one of them alone can hold him, I'm saying ALL of them combined, can hold him down for a minute or so. Then, whilst his healing factor is weakened, Namor snaps his neck. Cyclops has a beer.
Plan 3 - Magneto controls Colossonaut like a giant hypersonic wrecking ball.
Plan 4 - Magik attacks his soul with her soul sword. Whilst in the real world, the others attack his physical body.
Plan 5 - Magik travels back in time, phucks him up big time.
Plan 6 - Hope takes Nightcrawler, Elixir, Rockslide and Gambit's powers. And maybe Colossus' powers, for durability. Ports around the Hulk, hugging him and charging her own body up, blowing his limbs off whilst simultaneously negating the healing factor. Cyclops is getting seriously drunk by now.
Plan 7 - Cyclops grabs the Muramasa blade. Gives it to MAgneto to control. Magneto gets to have a little fun. For giggles, Dr Nemesis grabs a sniper rifle and further overloads Hulk's healing factor with diseases.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I like your post,but all these plans debatably won't work it might I admit,but like I said its debatable of course only Too WWH and below,since this says it's WWH Not Current Hulk I won't use him as a example cause Current Hulk won't need to touch them in the first place.
So that was my plan 1. I'm not saying all of the below plans work - after all, Cyclops had loads of plans against Kuurth, not all of which worked.Plan 2 - MAgik opens a portal above Hulk, Namor, Colossaunaut and Hope channelling both Colossus' and Namor's strength and Elixir's power drops out. All three of them hold Hulk down, backed up by Magneto controlling his nervous system (like he's doing with the Celestial right now). I'm not saying that any one of them alone can hold him, I'm saying ALL of them combined, can hold him down for a minute or so. Then, whilst his healing factor is weakened, Namor snaps his neck. Cyclops has a beer.
Plan 3 - Magneto controls Colossonaut like a giant hypersonic wrecking ball.
Plan 4 - Magik attacks his soul with her soul sword. Whilst in the real world, the others attack his physical body.
Plan 5 - Magik travels back in time, phucks him up big time.
Plan 6 - Hope takes Nightcrawler, Elixir, Rockslide and Gambit's powers. And maybe Colossus' powers, for durability. Ports around the Hulk, hugging him and charging her own body up, blowing his limbs off whilst simultaneously negating the healing factor. Cyclops is getting seriously drunk by now.
Plan 7 - Cyclops grabs the Muramasa blade. Gives it to MAgneto to control. Magneto gets to have a little fun. For giggles, Dr Nemesis grabs a sniper rifle and further overloads Hulk's healing factor with diseases.
Originally posted by TheHulk
I like your post,but all these plans debatably won't work it might I admit,but like I said its debatable of course only Too WWH and below,since this says it's WWH Not Current Hulk I won't use him as a example cause Current Hulk won't need to touch them in the first place.
Agreed, none of those plans would work with current Hulk, but could work with WWH. Except for MAgik travelling back in time, of course. Hulk has no defence against that, current or WWH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Travelling threw time is against standard battle rules though it's not needed to beat WWH. The X-men consist of several teams Hulk has a slim to none chance of winning here
Agreed, none of those plans would work with current Hulk, but could work with WWH. Except for MAgik travelling back in time, of course. Hulk has no defence against that, current or WWH.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Travelling threw time is against standard battle rules though it's not needed to beat WWH. The X-men consist of several teams Hulk has a slim to none chance of winning here
Just as a matter of interest (so I know not to make the mistake next time) where in the rules does it say time travel is forbidden?
Originally posted by carver9
Anytime a person leave the battle field, its auto bfring themselves. Traveling through time, going out of space, etc, etc...is bfring themselves.
But if BFR is off, doesn't that mean that they won't lose by leaving the battlefield?
For example, Pixie cannot win by porting the Hulk into the Sun, I understand that. It doesn't negate her ability to do so, surely? As in, her powerset hasn't changed, it just means she cannot BFR the Hulk for a win.
By the same reasoning, if the Hulk was to fight Namor, the Hulk cannot win by BFR (whether by punching Namor to Australia, or by Namor flying himself out into space). So Magik time-travelling, whilst leaving the battlefield, does not mean the Hulk auto-wins.
I don't know, because I haven't been here long. But I always assumed that when 'BFR is off', it meant 'Victory by BFR' was switched off.
Dark Saint has a point. I always thought that no bfr meant that you can't remove your opponent from the battle field.
If magik can hurt an opponent from another dimension or through time travel, why penalize her or any character with that ability? Isn't it like saying storm can't get out of the reach of captain america's shield to hurl her lighting? if she flies any distance farther then cap's throwing range equals a loss for her?
Zoom's whole power is based on manipulating time. Isn't it similar to penalizing the Flash for using his super speed since he is too fast? (not sure if my examples are right though) and don't teleporters in general remove themselves from the battle field ( even if it is just a couple of seconds?) im mean if surfer fights at lightspeed in space im pretty sure he is covering a lot of ground when he does that...that might make the whole solar system as your battle field. just like flashes imp probably makes him circle the earth a couple of times to gain momentum...
Well im not an expert on rules...so i'd like to hear it out. and i'm a noob too so any explanation would really help. iinteresting...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85lol i actually wanted tot tell you that i forget and anyway even f you think about it's not really fair top just travel back in time,anyway character who does that will not even be interesting that';s why we don't see that happen often.....
Just as a matter of interest (so I know not to make the mistake next time) where in the rules does it say time travel is forbidden?
Originally posted by carver9So....someone who can teleport and uses that ability to sneak up behind there opponent...has automatically done a self BFR....?
Anytime a person leave the battle field, its auto bfring themselves. Traveling through time, going out of space, etc, etc...is bfring themselves.
Originally posted by nwg202lol your profile says you joined here since 2005 how do you not the rules????
Dark Saint has a point. I always thought that no bfr meant that you can't remove your opponent from the battle field.If magik can hurt an opponent from another dimension or through time travel, why penalize her or any character with that ability? Isn't it like saying storm can't get out of the reach of captain america's shield to hurl her lighting? if she flies any distance farther then cap's throwing range equals a loss for her?
Zoom's whole power is based on manipulating time. Isn't it similar to penalizing the Flash for using his super speed since he is too fast? (not sure if my examples are right though) and don't teleporters in general remove themselves from the battle field ( even if it is just a couple of seconds?) im mean if surfer fights at lightspeed in space im pretty sure he is covering a lot of ground when he does that...that might make the whole solar system as your battle field. just like flashes imp probably makes him circle the earth a couple of times to gain momentum...
Well im not an expert on rules...so i'd like to hear it out. and i'm a noob too so any explanation would really help. iinteresting...
Originally posted by DamborgsonIn rules yes,but i agree with Darksaint it's kinda weird how Removing yourself from the battlefield to attack indirectly means he removed himself from the fight when you know the character is still on "offence" but not directly of course.......
So....someone who can teleport and uses that ability to sneak up behind there opponent...has automatically done a self BFR....?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85agreed but hey take it to the mods
But if BFR is off, doesn't that mean that they won't lose by leaving the battlefield?For example, Pixie cannot win by porting the Hulk into the Sun, I understand that. It doesn't negate her ability to do so, surely? As in, her powerset hasn't changed, it just means she cannot BFR the Hulk for a win.
By the same reasoning, if the Hulk was to fight Namor, the Hulk cannot win by BFR (whether by punching Namor to Australia, or by Namor flying himself out into space). So Magik time-travelling, whilst leaving the battlefield, does not mean the Hulk auto-wins.
I don't know, because I haven't been here long. But I always assumed that when 'BFR is off', it meant 'Victory by BFR' was switched off.
I see the hulk fan boys are still out trolling this thread.
This is an inexperienced magik using her scrying pool that can basically view anything anywhere. She ports into limbo and directs the battle from there, she views the battlefield and just teleports hope and peter all over the place. She is way more experienced now. and doesnt even need the pool usually.
So now u have a juggernaut w/ nightcrawlers powers on top of hope who has everything else. So now hulk can't even touch pete since time moves way faster in limbo and magik can see every punch coming at her brother...if you look at the scan you will see magik manipulating matter as well making clothes out of nothing. The reason we dont see this often is because a fully powered magik is boderline retarded written w/o pis especially if she is in a team setting like this. people think she is nightcrawler w/ a mystical sword.
Magneto gathers all the metal around and magik teleports it inside Hulk's brain ( plans 8 and 9)