Originally posted by carver9
At their weakest DBZ characters were tanking blasts that leveled continents and was seen on the outskirts of Earth with a smile on their faces. The durability they have is insane. This level of attack koed Prime.
I'm going to have to stop you there.
When has Prime been KOed by a continental blast? A universe buster? Yeah. An all-out attack from all three legions? Yeah. Being warped out of the multiverse by a kamikaze attack from a guardian atom by atom? Yeah. Being flown through a red sun and KOed by superman while completely de-powered? Yeah, that too. But a ****ing continent-buster? Since when. I want scans now.
You're going out on a very ridiculous and flimsy limb by comparing any DBZ character to Superman (or any top-tier herald really), much less Superboy-prime.... this really has to stop dude. I mean do you really believe that squiggly lines indicate ftl speed, or that every Ki blast deflected is a planet-leveler? If that was the case, then the ****ing sun wouldn't be a game-ender for any DBZ character.
We need to have an intervention carv....
Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm going to have to stop you there.When has Prime been KOed by a continental blast? A universe buster? Yeah. An all-out attack from all three legions? Yeah. Being warped out of the multiverse by a kamikaze attack from a guardian atom by atom? Yeah. Being flown through a red sun and KOed by superman while completely de-powered? Yeah, that too. But a ****ing continent-buster? Since when. I want scans now.
You're going out on a very ridiculous and flimsy limb by comparing any DBZ character to Superman (or any top-tier herald really), much less Superboy-prime.... this really has to stop dude. I mean do you really believe that squiggly lines indicate ftl speed, or that every Ki blast deflected is a planet-leveler? If that was the case, then the ****ing sun wouldn't be a game-ender for any DBZ character.
We need to have an intervention carv....
Prime blitz Monarch and knocks him on the ground.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/06.jpg
Monarch then hits him with an attack that resembles a Nuke.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/07.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/08.jpg
Monarch stands in the smoke...complete an entire sentence...still complete sentences but we see no sign of Prime (which is very unlikely for the character since he tends to consistently stay all over his opponents. Prime states "THAT REALLY HURTS".
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/09.jpg
He was temporarily koed...knocked the hell out. Vegeta stood in a much more destructive blast with a smile on his face.
If you want to get all technical...here we have a casual blast from a GL making him scream out in pain.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/toomuchforgls4.jpg
Rockets from Batman Jet hurts him.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killantlan.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
If you want to get all technical...here we have a casual blast from a GL making him scream out in pain.http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/toomuchforgls4.jpg
Rockets from Batman Jet hurts him.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killantlan.jpg
If you want to get technical, ascended Goku during the cell saga was hurt and bruised by a rock that Krillin tossed at his head....
If you want to lowball, for every low feat that you name for Prime, I can probably pull up a team he busted, or a galaxy or universe buster that he survived. So if you want to lowball, that's fine. Anime's have a lot more low feats that comics by nature. However, I'm not going to stoop to that carver, but if you want to debate mid-range feats and the average showings of the characters, I'm cool with that.
Originally posted by carver9
I just showed you the scans of him bring koed.
Carv, that's an outright lie bro.
Here are the scans in which Prime is "KOed".
Here Prime gets shot by an enraged Hal having previously busted through a 300 mile thick wall of pure will power. Still not KOed. It should be noted that he has killed 32 GLs by this point.
In this scan, Prime is hit by a missle from batman's jet right after he destroyed Atlantis with HV, and is mildly inconvenienced. He then breaks into WW's invisible jet, kills her, then goes on to speedblitzes the planet to pieces after about a page or so.
He isn't even dazed in these scans. Just pissed. I don't know how anyone would interpret this as a "KO".
Originally posted by carver9
Prime blitz Monarch and knocks him on the ground.http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/06.jpg
Monarch then hits him with an attack that resembles a Nuke.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/07.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/08.jpg
Monarch stands in the smoke...complete an entire sentence...still complete sentences but we see no sign of Prime (which is very unlikely for the character since he tends to consistently stay all over his opponents. Prime states "THAT REALLY HURTS".
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/09.jpg
He was temporarily koed...knocked the hell out. Vegeta stood in a much more destructive blast with a smile on his face.
Originally posted by carver9
😂 You're talking about this?
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/09.jpg
Monarch busted the entire Universe in that same fight when his armor was breached. All Prime said was "That really, really hurt!", and from that you assume it's a KO?
At what point exactly did he close his eyes? At what point did we see his body limp and on the ground? At what point was his dialogue at least shaky? Not once, he got blown back, and came back immediately the next panel for more.
If all it took was for a character to say "That really, really hurts!" to signify a KO then wolverine, hulk, superman, and many others would spend their entire careers unconscious carv.
Originally posted by Sirius77
😂 You're talking about this?http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/peek18/Fights/Superman-Prime%20Vs%20Monarch/09.jpg
Monarch busted the entire Universe in that same fight when his armor was breached. All Prime said was "That really, really hurt!", and from that you assume it's a KO?
At what point exactly did he close his eyes? At what point did we see his body limp and on the ground? At what point was his dialogue at least shaky? Not once, he got blown back, and came back immediately the next panel for more.
If all it took was for a character to say "That really, really hurts!" to signify a KO then wolverine, hulk, superman, and many others would spend their entire careers unconscious carv.
Where are you getting he was blown away? Prime was knocked the hell out and even if he wasn't, Vegeta TANKED a blast significantly more powerful than that without a scratch and he did it without even suffering a scratch or recognizing the attack.
You can only see this from your phones.
This blast is basically FAR more powerful than the blast Monarch created and Vegeta tanked it like he didn't even get touched by it. Had his arms crossed the entire time the blast was going off.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=VeA0rawalYk
Now let's go deeper into the durability section. Goku during his fight against Frieza proved that he was basically more durable than Frieza...he outright outlasted him in their fight. Frieza withstood...
1. A Kamehameha times 20. Let's not forget, Goku used the Kamehameha Times 3 against Vegeta and it had enough power to shed Earth. Goku used a blast 3 Times more powerful against Frieza and Frieza tanked it. A planetary+ attack.
2. Goku gathered all the energy from Nameks solar system and formed it into a spirit bomb...a blast that was stated that if it wasn't used properly, it would have laid waste to Namek. Frieza was hit by this and yet again, he tanked it.
3. Goku proceeds in kicking Frieza through two mountains and the force was so strong that it shook planet Namek.
4. Frieza withstood thousands of punches and an outright beat down from a Super Saiyan.
5. After all of this, Frieza was still consious. Goku then use an attack that rips through matter (the destructo disk) and it splits Frieza in half and then hits him with a blast that aids in leveling the planet Namek.
6. The planet EXPLODES on Frieza and after all of this (that happened during one fight)...Frieza was still concious.
Frieza withstood 3 planetary attacks, an a** whippin that consisted of blasting and punches from an high end 100 tonner and the list goes on and he withstood this in "one fight". This doesn't include everything else that he withstood during his fight against Goku...this is just part of it.
This fight isn't fair at all. Black hair Goku wins this.
Originally posted by carver9
Where are you getting he was blown away? Prime was knocked the hell out and even if he wasn't, Vegeta TANKED a blast significantly more powerful than that without a scratch and he did it without even suffering a scratch or recognizing the attack.
Because he was gone one panel. Then he wasn't. How or why did you assume that he was knocked out? What even hinted at this?
Originally posted by Sirius77
Because he was gone one panel. Then he wasn't. How or why did you assume that he was knocked out? What even hinted at this?
Prime is relentless. He was gone to long...he had to have been knocked out. Monarch said an entire dialog before Prime showed back up.
By the way, I made this thread just for you. Lol. These people are well knowledged on Goku...VERY knowkedged. Enjoy
Originally posted by carver9
Now let's go deeper into the durability section. Goku during his fight against Frieza proved that he was basically more durable than Frieza...he outright outlasted him in their fight. Frieza withstood...1. A Kamehameha times 20. Let's not forget, Goku used the Kamehameha Times 3 against Vegeta and it had enough power to shed Earth. Goku used a blast 3 Times more powerful against Frieza and Frieza tanked it. A planetary+ attack.
Good for him.
Never said that DBZ characters weren't planet busters. However, that doesn't mean that every attack is a planet-buster either. Name some characters in the DBZ-verse who have tanked an actual confirmed planet-buster, not just a 20x Kamehameha that was rumored to be a planet-buster based upon an inference made by taking a literal interpretation from an arrogant, prideful evil character. And please try to find examples that don't involve coming back as a cyborg.... because that's not durability, it's luck and circumstance.
I can name a character. Superman. He's survived planet-busters, double-planet-busters, solar-system-busters, ect. Name a DBZ character with that kind of durability oir even close and you'll have an argument.
Originally posted by carver9
2. Goku gathered energy from the small amount of dying nameks that Frieza hadn't killed yet and a few plants and things and formed it into a spirit bomb...a blast that was stated that if it wasn't used properly, it would have laid waste to Namek. Frieza was hit by this and yet again, he tanked it.
Fixed.
Superman got hit by an exploding sun.
Originally posted by carver9
3. Goku proceeds in kicking Frieza through two mountains and the force was so strong that it shook planet Namek.4. Frieza withstood thousands of punches and an outright beat down from a Super Saiyan.
They went through mountains? That measures up to some of superman's lower showings. You're making progress.
Cool, superman got swatted around by Darkseid, Dominus, the Time Trapper, Imperiex, his own death, Doomsday, etc.... all of whom are far above any version of Goku. Just like superman is.
Originally posted by carver9
5. After all of this, Frieza was still consious. Goku then use an attack that rips through matter (the destructo disk) and it splits Frieza in half and then hits him with a blast that aids in leveling the planet Namek.
Goku didn't use that attack, Frieza did, and it came back and half-killed him.
Goku never did anything to level Namek, Frieza's pussy "toss an energy-ball into the core of the planet and disrupt it" attack did. If superman wants to level a planetoid, he just flies through the damned thing. He doesn't need to upset its core.
Originally posted by carver9
6. The planet EXPLODES on Frieza and after all of this (that happened during one fight)...Frieza was still concious.
No. Actually he was un-conscious, cut in half, missing most of his face and arm, and completely unconscious. In fact, if his father hadn't found him and the scientists on the ship hadn't given him cybernetic parts, he would have died floating in space. So basically if this is "tanking" a planet-buster, then I guess people who lose their limbs in grenade explosions "tank" them as well by your definition.
What is up with you and not understanding consciousness? Frieza is floating in space, half-dead, barely alive, with the eye he had left closed, and he's "conscious"; but when Prime gets knocked away for a panel, he's unconscious? I don't know what to say man.
Originally posted by carver9
Frieza withstood 3 planetary attacks, an a** whippin that consisted of blasting and punches from an high end 100 tonner and the list goes on and he withstood this in "one fight". This doesn't include everything else that he withstood during his fight against Goku...this is just part of it.This fight isn't fair at all. Black hair Goku wins this.
None of those attacks destroyed a planet. Quit making things up.
Since when has Goku lifted 100 tons? As a ssj he had trouble with 40 tons.
I'm not impressed by any of this, and any version of Goku gets stomped by Superman.
