Wolverine vs Blade/Cassie

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Agreed. 👆 I still don't understand "not a real vampire." What is he, if not a vampire that's immune to typical vampire banes? And from everything I've seen and everything that's been mentioned, Blade is at least as strong, agile, durable and immortal as any other vampire. All of their strengths (physical anyway) and none of their weaknesses.

He's a dhampir. Sure Blade has a short list of generic vamp abilities but there's also a list of things he can't do. He can't compel people. He can't control animals. He can' fly. He can't shape shift. He can't become mist. He can't control weather. He requires oxygen. His strength class is of a middle to lower level compared to more notable vamps being what 1-2 tons. And his healing factor, for what it might be, isn't capable of replacing lost limbs. Also I'm fairly certain Blade isn't immortal. He just ages at a much slower rate than normal, like Raven. 😬

Like I said, it's hardly relevant anyways as I don't deny that he has generic vamp speed, strength, senses, agility, and some degree of healing. As long as people aren't trying to project feats from other vampires onto Blade then it won't cause an issue in the debate.

Originally posted by jinzin
Umm no. The only thing I might be mistaken about it the Cap fight... I'll have to go back and check, I seem to remember Priest leaving it open ended on how the fight concluded whereas Hudlin decided it ended with the gut punch.

I don't condone Cap KOing Gladiator.
Wolverine's a brick slayer that's what he does. If bricks try to fight him in melee it's generally not a good idea. That's consistent with his entire career.... I also don't condone Wolverine fighting Glads or Thor using the full extent of their abilities.

Logan wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
. Also I'm fairly certain Blade isn't immortal. He just ages at a much slower rate than normal, like Raven. 😬

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well jinzin Blade has stated a few times in comics that he is immortal. I think he may have even told Black Panther that he was immortal for sure.

Originally posted by jinzin
which is why he's aged right? 😐

Originally posted by jinzin

The Mystique fight you're referring to for instance... During the get Mystique storyline it's explicitly stated that Wolverine went chasing after Mystique for 3 days straight with no food, sleep or water the majority of that chase taking place in the desert which we already KNOW has an effect on his healing factor. He was caught up in an explosion that leveled a Mosque, he was shot by multiple men with heavy arms automatic fire to a KO, he was inside an explosive car literally packed with C4 and reduced to a skeleton, and then when he finally got within range of Mystique before that fight even started she was shooting the hell out of him with clips of automatic gunfire AND explosive iirc. Lest you think that Mystique who has been dropped by a single claw slash from Sabretooth is really good enough to drag a fight with Wolverine on that long... (no... we're not even entertaining that nonsense). THE CONTEXT MATTERS. And even then! Mystique has unique physical abilities that allow her to take/whether and distribute damage in a much more efficient manner than characters with Blade level of healing and better. Just because Mystique was able to close a fight with a weathered Wolverine like that doesn't dictate Blade could do the same with a Wolverine starting at 100%. Such an argument is beyond ludicrous and again insulting to anyone who actually read the story.

The Deadpool fight... Really??? This is pretty much the same in that Deadpool hit Wolverine with everything he could get ahold of and barely came out of that... in a fight Wolverine himself literally INTENDED to lose. And again, Deadpool has a MUCH MUCH better healing factor than Blade does. His ability to withstand punishment and find openings because of it allows for all sorts of integers that Blade simply couldn't count on having in a fight with Wolverine.

Bottem line? Wolverine's been put down by bullets sure... But that's NOT EVEN CLOSE to what typically happens in a Wolverine fight. For every time he's been put down by bullets, there's several times he's taken worse and been fine. A bullet to the brain might to the trick but I remind you there's also counter evidence of Wolverine getting up immediately after such punishment, not going down at all, actually having bone in the back of his eye, etc etc. And the majority of the time that he's gone down to a bullet to the eye include HEAPS of context you're virtually ignoring WILL NOT and CAN NOT apply to Blade in a fight with Wolverine.

Counting on this kind of strategy for a win against Wolverine is a SERIOUS reach and ignores 99.9% of the rest of his career.... if that's the case, Blade can't take the force of a bullet to his kevlar clad chest.

Why would I ask for proof of the script when I've already stated that it looked to be what happened on panel? 😕

You think Blade's a threat, I admit that he is.
You said he has a healing factor, I agree that he does.
At what point in this debate am I being unreasonable here?

Punisher healing from damage is not something I'm arguing about. When I'm bringing up Punisher in this thread, it's to demonstrate that a character's ability to stand up to and fight in spite of damage is not necessarily evidence of a superior healing factor. It's said that a broken femur is the most painful injury a person can endure. Punisher not only had a broken femur but fought a superhuman regardless of it. He took a serious fight to Daken with sheer grit and balls. It's not some impressive display of healing factor. That doesn't mean Punisher is going to no sell being gutted by Wolverine or take a punched from a claws-out Wolvie without missing a beat, to insist otherwise is almost insane.
Captain America... The guy was virtually pounded on by Iron Man, multiple fractures and contusions. He healed injuries that would take a normal person months (half a year up to a full year) just to recover to a stable state and healed to a full bill of health in about several weeks. Hell, the dude was already fighting and sparring a week or two after the beating took place. This guy has recovered from being shot in the head. His enhanced healing ability is impressive and we've seen him tank stabbings and being shot and continue to fight with ease, it doesn't mean he can take the damage Wolverine dishes out.... Even without his claws Wolverine was able to plant a blow on him that induced a near instant blood clot. Cap can't sustain his damage output. Neither can Blade...
HONESTLY.... HONESTLY..... you REALLY believe that Blade simply gonna fight through this type of damage?

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Keep in mind that this is just a handful of examples that better illustrate the type of the damage wolverine can produce when his claws aren't being nerfed for the sake of the story or for the sake of keeping characters alive. One slash can rend through entire frames, or chop off limbs with ease. Even if all Wolverine was doing was wildly flailing his arms about Blade would have to be fighting a mindful and defensive battle to keep from being seriously harmed. And most of/all of these examples include characters who have healing factors/repair mechanisms on par of superior to Blades. A number of them have skill levels around Blades league as well.

Again, when Wolverine's claws aren't being nerfed, the damage he can do with a single flush attack could/would be too much for Blade to sustain and keep himself competitive with Wolverine in an in-fight scenario.
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1. Guggenheim has admitted that the fight ended in a stalemate, you need to get over that. Moreover he went so far as to say Blade had the upperhand. When you look at the fight straight as it was depicted without skewing events in favor of Wolverine you can see that. When you realize when Wolverine missed, he didn't miss on purpose, or when Blade hit him it's not because Wolverine wanted to get hit. Those ideas are just nonsense and not only the writer but interviewers at marvel.com also summarized the fight as a draw. It's not me who needs to get over the fight seeing as I'm not even the one who brought it up, I'd rather it not be brought up at all since author and official statements have consistently been ignored in order to make Wolverine look better.
2. Are we going to pretend that Wolverine hasn't been put down by shots to the head before? Need I remind you that this isn't just Blade vs. Wolverine but Blade and Cassie, both of whom will be taxing Wolverine healing factor both of whom are more than skilled enough to take on Wolverine. The real reason Wolverine takes the majority against Blade is because of the adamantium skeleton, however if Cassie and Blade are both working at putting wolverine down, he'll eventually pass out form bloodloss, think about all the times Sabretooth has gutted Wolverine, in the Evolution arc alone Wolverine was put out due to blood loss frequently. Think of all he times in Wolverine Origins he was shot unconscious. With these two dealing out the damage, eventually Wolverine is going to fall to blood loss.
3. The scans you've posted are against characters with healing factors (who tend to leave themselves open as you've said before). Not only that but Blade wouldn't go down to all the scans you've chosen. Slashes and Stabs that don't directly decapitate him won't put him down, several of those strikes will.

Originally posted by jinzin
Again... what are you going on about? Making a bunch of statements about some things that Blade has done doesn't amount for much in this thread unless those examples relate specifically to what we're talking about. I'm not arguing whether or not Blade can heal, I'm arguing about to what degree that healing works..or doesn't. And bringing up a couple of examples where one stab drops Blade to the ground for a semi-extended period of time (and keep in mind in a fight seconds last for what seems like minutes, and that's to humans without any superhuman reflexes/attributes) especially one where he gets dropped by a small knife to the back of his shoulder for half a page is not a good example of Blade having a healing factor good enough to sustain the blows Wolverine's dishing out in a fight. The best evidence you have thus far is Blades fight with Hrolf, but the simple fact of that matter is that the damage we see being done is a panel so small and lacking in detail that it doesn't really demonstrate the amount of damage done, nor does it show the rate of healing as the subsequent panels never go to show blade's torso again iirc. And once more, it draws into this pitfall where guys like Punisher and Daredevil have taken this kind of damage and gone on in spite of it. It isn't evidence of a healing factor (keeping in mind I'm not saying that Blade doesn't have one) ... it sure as hell isn't evidence of the rate of a healing factor.

We've seen characters like Batman and Elektra draw on energy to close up bullet holes in two or three panels, in a laps of a few moments. The closest thing we've seen for Blade's rate of healing typically stems from superficial damage like Spitfires scratches or unclear artwork which is shrug-worthy at best. 😬

If Blade can have a hole shot through his stomach, or have his throat slit, or lose a limb and continue to fight unhindered in that moment, then please produce that evidence. I've never seen it.

This fight essentially boils down to one basic thing, what Wolverine can take. His damage soak and rate of healing are so ridiculous that Wolverine's essentially a broken character when it comes to most melee fights, and no, 1 sword, a handgun, some knives and a few stakes are not going to tip the scales in Blade's favor against this kind of monumental advantage. Because of Wolverine's bones sctructure coupled with his innate power, Blade can only do very superficial damage to Wolverine for the most part, and for the most part, if Blade wants to do more than that he needs to draw himself in close, which your skewed examples have already demonstrated is practically a suicide mission. And, unfortunately, 1 semi-generic street level MA isn't going to add a heaping advantage against Wolverine here either.
Even if Wolverine was robbed of his speed, strength, and skill... even if all Cass and Blade were fighting here was an Adamantiumized Madcap for all intents and purposes, they would STILL be fighting a predominantly defensive battle simply based on the fact that Wolverine can take SOOOOO much more than they can, and he can dish out SOOOOO much more than they can. That's a sizable advantage that Wolverine has over most street levels and it still shocks me it isn't brought up more it's so obvious. But..... Wolverine DOES have his strength, speed and skillset and because those are also all slight advantages in his favor, Blade has to fight a near flawless battle to even have a chance of being successful here.

Getting a "couple good hits in" is Wolverine's WORST case scenario when he's operating nowhere NEAR his best, or even remotely near his typical. That's the most Blade could hope for... and frankly, it didn't work for Mystique in your example, and she had damn near every advantage possible before the fight even got underway. Your argument here for Blade is basically that you feel he won't allow himself to take damage..... if he's within Wolverine's range, and he will be.... the dude isn't going to have a choice. 😐

The backstabbing was before he was upgraded, and he still took damage like that. Blade has had his throat torn out by vampires, Dracula ripped his throat out thinking he could turn Blade but was wrong and Blade got right up (same when on of Varnaes vampires tried to drain him). Blade was shot in the back, point blank, by the Punisher, Blade shouted in pain but never went down. When Hrolf slashed Blade, he wasn't down. Hell he counter attacked before Hrolf could swing his swords down again. Blade tore off his own hand and fought through a facility of henchmen. Simple slashes don't put him down and stabbings don't put him down. You're also underestimating Cassie's addition to the fight. I've agreed one-on-one that Blade loses, but he has the equipment to dish serious damage with his guns. He was shot unconscious by rebel soldiers, Sabretooth ripped his heart out and put him down, Gorgon stabbed him through the back (I know about the poison), and there are plenty of other example. If the two characters use their distance effectively to widdle down his healing factor, all it takes is one good shot from either of them to put him down.

Team Wins 7/10

Originally posted by jinzin
which is why he's aged right? 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Guggenheim has admitted that the fight ended in a stalemate, you need to get over that.

Originally posted by Trackz
Moreover he went so far as to say Blade had the upperhand.

Originally posted by Trackz
When you look at the fight straight as it was depicted without skewing events in favor of Wolverine you can see that.

No one has to skew anything except Blade fans trying to delude themselves into thinking this fight was stalemate when it wasn't.

Originally posted by Trackz
When you realize when Wolverine missed, he didn't miss on purpose,

Blade was in the air, lunging TOWARDS Logan, poised to attack him. He was subject to forward momentum. His feet were off the ground and he can't fly so we know he wasn't changing momentum in midair. He wasn't using some power of extreme agility to dodge or maneuver out of the way so what do you think happened?

That in spite of all of those FACTS..... Wolverine simply.... MISSED... he missed not once, but twice. You think he missed the first attack which was apparently close enough to shred Blade's chest garb (as Blade was continuing to move TOWARDS him) THEN missed a second attack immediately after. That Blade's forward momentum didn't continue between the first and second attack assuming Wolverine missed, AND that Wolverine didn't compensate the distance between the first and second attack and missed AGAIN.

Wolverine.... who can put the point of his claws through a flipped coin, shred skintight armor off of a cyborg before he's even realize what's happened, cut rocket powered darts out of the air, knocked nightcrawler out of the air immediately after he's bamfed back but before he has his bearings, shred a prime sentinal moving too fast for Cyclops to even SEE, and land blows on a spiderman actively attempting to avoid him?....... He missed.... he missed a target bigger than himself.... coming STRAIGHT AT HIM?!?!? REALLY....? .....REALLY.....
Yeah, you sir ARE insane, you have NO place telling ANYONE about skewing events to the favor of a character here...

Okay and what's your explanation for Wolverine scratching Blade in the face, or punching him in the face without his claws, or refusing the attack him when he had his hand around Blade's neck, or refusing to attack him while Blade had to fumble around for a needle? No wait... Let's just have an explaination for the clawless face punch... Would loooooovvvvvveeee to hear that.

Originally posted by Trackz
or when Blade hit him it's not because Wolverine wanted to get hit.

Originally posted by Trackz
Those ideas are just nonsense and not only the writer but interviewers at marvel.com also summarized the fight as a draw. It's not me who needs to get over the fight seeing as I'm not even the one who brought it up, I'd rather it not be brought up at all since author and official statements have consistently been ignored in order to make Wolverine look better.

You're "official statements" have been ignored because one, there's nothing "official" about them. Two, off the record statements made by writers about the intention of their work do not take precedence over what ended up on paper in what is essentially a collaborative process in which an editorial staff and a PR group decide the public outcome. And three, unless there's some legitimate retcon of the events that happened, then all we have that matters IS THOSE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED. 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
2. Are we going to pretend that Wolverine hasn't been put down by shots to the head before?

Originally posted by Trackz
Need I remind you that this isn't just Blade vs. Wolverine but Blade and Cassie, both of whom will be taxing Wolverine healing factor both of whom are more than skilled enough to take on Wolverine.

OR... you need to be reminded of the fact that Wolverine himself is unbelievably skilled. More-so than Cass, more-so than Blade and actually HAS feats that dwarf taking on the likes of this team.

1-He held off 1/4th of the Shiar Imperial Guard by himself on one of his first adventures in space.
2-Momentarily fought off Sabretooth and Deathstrike at the same time.
3-Taken on and beat up entire teams of X-force, Generation X, X-men, New Warriors and Alpha Flight
4- Fought Scorpion, Boomerang and Shocker all at the same time and was winning.
5- Beat up Bloodscream and Vermin at the same time.
6- Effectively took Omega Red and Deathstrike to task at the same time without a damned healing factor.
7- Destroyed the undead Shinagami without taking 1 major wound.
8- Beat up Deathstrike and Psylocke at the same time.
9. Beat up AOA Sabretooth and Wildchild at the same time.
10. Took down an entire city of self repairing robots with super speed, strength, and plasma weapons in Snikt.
11. Put the whole of the Soviet Supersoldiers on the defensive.
12. Attacked the entire Ngarai nation and put them on the defensive.
13. He "easily" walked through an Adamantium clad clone/doppleganger and the Angel of Death at the same time without taking a single hit.
and...
This isn't even every group fight he's had! You think 2 peakish humanish characters are going to do what entire superhero teams, armies, alien clans, demon hordes, and frankly duos who are superior to this team in every way have failed to do? Yeah, of course you do. You need to go talk to the guys in the white lab coats and ask for another scrip. You've obviously lost yours.

Originally posted by Trackz
The real reason Wolverine takes the majority against Blade is because of the adamantium skeleton,

Originally posted by Trackz
however if Cassie and Blade are both working at putting wolverine down,

Originally posted by Trackz
he'll eventually pass out form bloodloss,

Originally posted by Trackz
think about all the times Sabretooth has gutted Wolverine, in the Evolution arc alone Wolverine was put out due to blood loss frequently.

In Evolution specifically... Wolverine was only knocked out twice from strict bloodloss. Once was after having his throat cut, havng his head used like a battering ram and being choked by a 20 ton lifter and having his spine ripped out the back of his neck which apparently contorted enough to make cracking sounds followed by having his heart apparently stabbed/ripped from his chest followed by whatever else happened off panel AFTER ALL THAT! This is punishment Blade isn't going to be able to replicate with Cass' help and it DEFINITELY isn't something he can replicate while Wolverine's fighting back.

The other was after Wolverine just awoke from a poison that was apparently strong enough to keep him sedated for cross continental travel and then having his throat slit open, eyes poked into/out, and being repeatidly bashed by Sabretooth and his superstrength. It's pretty arguable that Wolverine wasn't tip top going into that fight given that he just woke up from the poison that put him out to begin with, but even after going down he was only out long enought for Sabretooth to run down two women who Wolverine had gathered were essentially powerless.. so maybe a couple of minutes?

You know what else Evolution showcased? How about this. 😱

Wolverine fighting after the aformentioned fight and crashlanding the blackbird, continuing to fight inside an inferno as essentially half a walking skeleton. Of course you wouldn't want to bring that up would you? Hell no, afterall an argument for Blade needs a leg to stand on. 😐

This isn't even the only feat Wolverine has like this either...

Originally posted by Trackz
Think of all he times in Wolverine Origins he was shot unconscious. With these two dealing out the damage, eventually Wolverine is going to fall to blood loss.

Again, Wolverine isn't the sum of his failures and characters operate at their standard best. Give me legitimate examples where Wolverine's gone down to what you're suggesting.. I'll either gladly provide you the context you're probably ignoring (like I've done so far) or I'll give you several where he's succeeded under worse.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. The scans you've posted are against characters with healing factors (who tend to leave themselves open as you've said before). Not only that but Blade wouldn't go down to all the scans you've chosen. Slashes and Stabs that don't directly decapitate him won't put him down, several of those strikes will.

God you can not possibly be this dense... You CAN'T be! It's impossible... lol! 😂

First off you're missing the point... but we'll get to that in a minute.

The issue about the scans I posted vs what you're pulling out of your ass here... is that with the exception of a handful of them almost every single one of those is a fight ending panel. Characters who take punishment in fights on purpose or simply avoid dodging punishment usually do so to win the fight, or..because they know they can take it. I can't believe you're actually trying to argue that Deadpool, or Deathstrike, or Thing, or hell even droids liks Shiva or the Snikt bots were actually LETTING Wolverine hit them... 😐
Your argument absolutely could not get any more stupid than it's become right now... honeslty. Your arms must get all sorts of sore with all the re-re-REEEEACHING your constantly forced to do for your character.

The point of the scans though is simple; a single flush attack from Wolverine deals LETHAL damage, and frankly excessive damage even to characters with healing factors superior to Blades. Blade can not take one of those attacks and be okay, and no, not a single one of those characters let Wolverine get those shots in... you sir are a moron...

Originally posted by Trackz
The backstabbing was before he was upgraded, and he still took damage like that. Blade has had his throat torn out by vampires, Dracula ripped his throat out thinking he could turn Blade but was wrong and Blade got right up (same when on of Varnaes vampires tried to drain him). Blade was shot in the back, point blank, by the Punisher, Blade shouted in pain but never went down. When Hrolf slashed Blade, he wasn't down. Hell he counter attacked before Hrolf could swing his swords down again. Blade tore off his own hand and fought through a facility of henchmen. Simple slashes don't put him down and stabbings don't put him down. You're also underestimating Cassie's addition to the fight. I've agreed one-on-one that Blade loses, but he has the equipment to dish serious damage with his guns. He was shot unconscious by rebel soldiers, Sabretooth ripped his heart out and put him down, Gorgon stabbed him through the back (I know about the poison), and there are plenty of other example. If the two characters use their distance effectively to widdle down his healing factor, all it takes is one good shot from either of them to put him down.

Team Wins 7/10

Jesus.... Just when I think you're arguments couldn't get anymore absurd you come out swingin for the fences in an attempt to top yourself huh. lol!
Okay here we go...

When in the blue hell was Blade upgraded? Because according to your boy Guggenheim... The man who you supposedly love to reference whether it's canon or not, Blade hasn't been changed in any regard since his incarnation. Unless there's some recent upgrade I'm currently unaware of.

And... Can you for 10 seconds try to keep up with yourself. Either Blade being shanked in the back of his shoulder is evidence of Blade and his healing or it isn't.. You seemed to think it's a feat worth mentioning.. Blade ends up on the ground for two 1/2 pages so it doesn't look good by ANY means.

(Funny though, the fact that you're using scans before Gugg's retconned history but also trying to make those scans more impressive by citing the retcon, pretty much solidifies that a number of Blade's "healing factor" feats aren't even attriutable to a healing factor as much as they're standard comic superhero practice... pffft.)

NOW you're attempting to use vampire bites as being synonymous with having the throat actually ripped out? You don't even understand the difference between a cut and a puncture and what it does to human tissue... This is beyond ludicrous and is bordering on trolling away here.

When Hrolf cut Blade he also spent a panel mucking about while Blade was grabbing his gut. Again, we don't know what the extent of the damage was there because it isn't shown and it isn't described.

We've seen Blade dropped to a knee from being impaled, we've seen him stunned by arms fire, and according to your lowball logic we've seen him get dropped by a single bullet to the chest while wearing kevlar. If you have evidence that actually MATTERS here, feel free to present it. But I've already done my fair share and then some in providing a mountain of evidence where Wolverine has put people down with a single attack who have better healing factors than Blade has EVER shown to have on panel.

If you think Blade can stand up to Wolverine levels of punishment please feel free to PROVE IT. Thus far the best proof you've referenced is a single ambiguous slash only effecting him for a single panel. Does that mean three slashes at the same time would have him effected for three panels? How deep was that slash? Was it significant damage? Did it actually manage to tear guts from Blade's torso? Was it possibly just superficial? I dunno, but it's not my job to supply that kind of proof. You think Blade can take a claws-out jab to his head, heart, lungs, arteries, throat, kidneys or solar plexis?.... PROVE IT. Because I've already proven that a single slash from Wolverine can decimate a Shiva droid in half even with it's self repair systems, enhanced durability, force field, and Wolverine's fighting abilities downloaded onto it's mainframe.

Blade can't take that kind of punishment, prove that he can.

And no I'm not underestimating Cassie, it's just that her addition hardly matters to the fight. She's in an even worse state than Blade with a smaller frame, NO healing, and no Adamantium weaponry to try and defend herself. She has to fight even more flawlessly than Blade. She won't. This team is not going to be more successful than the Lady Deathstrike/Psylocke tag team was, and if you think otherwise, you're out of your damned mind.

Bringing up a bunch of bad examples that are notoriously riddled with context or outnumbered by opposing evidence in a variable landslide does nothing to build up your argument.
You know about the poison? How about the swords, stars, etc he was already hit with? the dozens/hundreds of ninja he already fought? How about the fact that he wasn't even KO'd by that sword stab through the back, and that the rest of whatever happened after that happened off panel just like your plea to when Sabretooth threatened to rip his heart out?

Yeah, your arguments as usual are full of shit. Nice to see some things never change I guess.

Guys, be civil or use the ignore. Trolling and bashing is not alowed.

Sorry admittedly I'm getting frustrated at the trollish nature of his argumentation and lack of care for context.

I'm confused, who's trolling in this thread?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm confused, who's trolling in this thread?

Originally posted by jinzin
He's a dhampir. Sure Blade has a short list of generic vamp abilities but there's also a list of things he can't do. He can't compel people. He can't control animals. He can' fly. He can't shape shift. He can't become mist. He can't control weather. He requires oxygen. His strength class is of a middle to lower level compared to more notable vamps being what 1-2 tons. And his healing factor, for what it might be, isn't capable of replacing lost limbs. Also I'm fairly certain Blade isn't immortal. He just ages at a much slower rate than normal, like Raven. 😬

Pretty sure Blade's immortal. Wolverine is as well. Even though Wolverine ages slower than normal as well. Aging slower doesn't mean anything to me. I have no idea what physical distinctions you're trying to make other than strength which other's can speak more to.

Originally posted by jinzin
Like I said, it's hardly relevant anyways as I don't deny that he has generic vamp speed, strength, senses, agility, and some degree of healing. As long as people aren't trying to project feats from other vampires onto Blade then it won't cause an issue in the debate.

Found this in the respect thread snoop made:

Team still wins.

Blitz him until he eventually falls. Wolverine can pull off a couple of wins, but most likely not.

Provided evidence of Blade taking serious damage (losing limbs, taking stabs, being slashed, bitten in the throat etc.) they were discounted but that doesn't invalidate them. Cassie's contributions are largely being ignored seeing as she has speed feats to put her right up there with logan (some surpass). I'm not getting into walls of text against posters that are otherwise steadfast in their opinion and won't concede anything even after proof is given.

As for Blade being weaker than most vampires? That's false. He's been stated and shown that he is stronger than the average vampire...the only vampires to overpower him have been Dracula, Negus, and Varnae or other vampire that have existed for millennia. Hell, the new Baron Blood (who had identical stats to his father, who was overpowering Cap while weakened) was afraid of engaging Blade in combat. That's another argument all together though.

Batgirl and Blade can deal enough damage while switching between upclose and ranged combat. It wouldn't be easy, fighting Wolverine never is.

Anyway, I'm tempted to wait until that Blade/Wolverine one-shot comes out so maybe there's finally concrete evidence of how they stack up to each other, even though their last fight was pretty much stated by marvel to be a stalemate.

i have to agree with Jinzin and his post. it is just ludicrous the examples being thrown against logan to boaster blade and cass.

Logan has fought duo opponents various times in his comic series on par if not superior to these two.

one example was the cage fight Logan had with both Lady deathstrike and sabretooth over new york.