Originally posted by Trackz
depends on where they hit him.
Wolverine operating at his best or remotely at his typical shruggs off brick level punishment. No, it does not matter where they hit him.
You're talking about a character that recovers from lethal damage in seconds, a pressure point is not lethal, a pressure point is typically most/onl effective when the pressure is actually being applied. Not sure where you think they're going to be able to produce more damage than a single punch from Hulk, but that simply isn't the case.
Originally posted by Trackz
he did land first blood. wolverine managed to claw and Blade's coat, then Blade landed the first strike that drew blood. I'm not getting into everyones interpretation of that Guggenheim fight again though.
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has stated super healing, it's been demonstrated. Not sure how many feats you want, he has less than 300 comics. I'm not addressing this "Blade isn't a real vampire" argument. It's asinine. Did I, or did I not state that if Blade let Wolverine go wild on him that the fight would be over fast?
Originally posted by jinzin
Beast has super healing, Spiderman has super healing, Steve Rogers has super healing, and not a single one of those characters has a healing ability that runs to a degree that would matter one shit in a fight with Wolverine. NONE of them can afford to take his type of punishment. Neither can Blade.
With the exception of Beast none of those guys have an official HF. I suspect Beats HF may help but im not too sure.
Originally posted by jinzinBottem line is that Blade ISN'T a real vampire, and we haven't seen a clear depiction of his healing factor at work in ANY impressive degree. People think him "healing" scratches on his face from Spitfire is something to be proud about if that's even what was meant to be demonstrated. It isn't.
It's not about how many feats I want, it's about what kind of feats there are and what's clearly being demonstrated. We've seen Namor be run through with a sword take the thing out and kill an enemy, we've seen him get run through by Wolverine several times, get up and be completely healed minutes later. As far as I'm aware Blade has NOTHING on that level even and EVEN THEN.... THAT level of healing STILL isn't enough to legitimately compete with Wolverine's offensive capabilites.
And yes you did say that Blade would go down to Wolverine if Wolverine ran wild on him, but that statement makes it sound as if Wolverine needs to when that's the farthest thing from the case. Wolverine gutchecks Blade the way he's done to Namor, Blades basically out of the fight. He only needs one good hit and Blade's not good enough to avoid it. Not many are.
O god forget it.
Originally posted by jinzinAre you thinking of Steve's fight with T'Chaka? T'Challas father? I think you are...we were only treated to a montage of that fight, not the whole thing.
Knocking out CAPTAIN THE F*** AMERICA with a single gut punch.... IS BETTER. He FLAT OUT STATED Wakanda was better than Latveria. This isn't up to interpretation. His writing is so wildly bias it undercuts his credibility with his use of the character. It's that simple. And no, the several uncharictaristics incidents I described (And the were plenty more) are NOT legitimate when they are legitimately discredited or in contrast to the consistency of the rest of Marvel Canon.
The fight hudlin worte had T'Challa coming out on top only because Steve was still healing from his wounds and that was stated right after.
T'Challa is a king the same way Namor is, all of them are going to speak highly of their kingdom. If you haven't noticed, pride and hubris are critical parts of T'Challas character. Not only that, but none of Hudlins run has the panther as powerful as he was during Priests run. I'm thinking you haven't followed much of the Black Panther. He's always been a top tier character and Wakanda has always been a threat.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine operating at his best or remotely at his typical shruggs off brick level punishment. No, it does not matter where they hit him.You're talking about a character that recovers from lethal damage in seconds, a pressure point is not lethal, a pressure point is typically most/onl effective when the pressure is actually being applied. Not sure where you think they're going to be able to produce more damage than a single punch from Hulk, but that simply isn't the case.
Figure of speech dude. Blade isn't dancing around shit.
Beast has super healing, Spiderman has super healing, Steve Rogers has super healing, and not a single one of those characters has a healing ability that runs to a degree that would matter one shit in a fight with Wolverine. NONE of them can afford to take his type of punishment. Neither can Blade.
Bottem line is that Blade ISN'T a real vampire, and we haven't seen a clear depiction of his healing factor at work in ANY impressive degree. People think him "healing" scratches on his face from Spitfire is something to be proud about if that's even what was meant to be demonstrated. It isn't.
It's not about how many feats I want, it's about what kind of feats there are and what's clearly being demonstrated. We've seen Namor be run through with a sword take the thing out and kill an enemy, we've seen him get run through by Wolverine several times, get up and be completely healed minutes later. As far as I'm aware Blade has NOTHING on that level even and EVEN THEN.... THAT level of healing STILL isn't enough to legitimately compete with Wolverine's offensive capabilites.
And yes you did say that Blade would go down to Wolverine if Wolverine ran wild on him, but that statement makes it sound as if Wolverine needs to when that's the farthest thing from the case. Wolverine gutchecks Blade the way he's done to Namor, Blades basically out of the fight. He only needs one good hit and Blade's not good enough to avoid it. Not many are.
I was talking about gunshots, not pressure points.
Yea, it means who deals the first wound...which was Blade. I get what you're trying to say though.
Cornell clearly wrote in his script that by the time Blade and Spitfire finish their fight that the wounds should be healed. So that's exactly what he intended. Blade taken gunshots and been blasted miles. Tanked explosions and all of that. Blade was literally run through by Dracula, and he took the sword out and attacked him. HE was stabbed in the back by the Taker of Heads, he took the knife out and cut the monters eye out. There are plenty of feats, check the respect thread. I'm not addressing this argument when I've seen the scans and I've had editors and writers tell me that Blade heals like a vampire. I honestly don't care if you believe that the Punisher has better healing feats. That has nothing to do with the fact that Blade has taken excessive damage and healed in seconds. If Wolverine gets a couple of claws/stabs in, it's not going to put Blade down. An excessive amount sire, but we've never seen Blade pass out from bloodloss. You can keep thinking this if you want that doesn't change the fact that he's shown his healing and it has been confirmed by every writer in the last damn decade.
Originally posted by Deadline
With the exception of Beast none of those guys have an official HF. I suspect Beats HF may help but im not too sure.O god forget it.
Originally posted by DeadlineWhat do you mean "official"? This isn't some case where I'm arbitrarily bringing up nonsense to pad out an argument. They have shown displays of healing factor feats and the abilities have been described.... AND, more than once. Hell more than a handful of times. It doesn't get more official than that. So... way to try and much up an argument? 😬
With the exception of Beast none of those guys have an official HF. I suspect Beats HF may help but im not too sure.
And no, Beasts HF doesn't do shit. 3 times he's been cut up by Wolverine's claws and 3 times he's gone down. Just isn't fast enough to keep him competing in the moment against much more than superficial damage.. kinda like Blade.
Originally posted by TrackzYes that's the fight I'm talking about. Not the civil war one. Never said he wasn't a threat or that wakanda isn't a thread. But no black panther should be knocking rogers out with a gut check, and Wakanda isn't> Latveria. Iirc it wasn't even BP that stated that.
Are you thinking of Steve's fight with T'Chaka? T'Challas father? I think you are...we were only treated to a montage of that fight, not the whole thing.The fight hudlin worte had T'Challa coming out on top only because Steve was still healing from his wounds and that was stated right after.
T'Challa is a king the same way Namor is, all of them are going to speak highly of their kingdom. If you haven't noticed, pride and hubris are critical parts of T'Challas character. Not only that, but none of Hudlins run has the panther as powerful as he was during Priests run. I'm thinking you haven't followed much of the Black Panther. He's always been a top tier character and Wakanda has always been a threat.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes that's the fight I'm talking about. Not the civil war one. Never said he wasn't a threat or that wakanda isn't a thread. But no black panther should be knocking rogers out with a gut check, and Wakanda isn't> Latveria. Iirc it wasn't even BP that stated that.
Originally posted by TrackzThen why skew the point? Wolverine tagged Blade first. It's that simple, if he was trying to draw blood he would draw blood. And no..... just no.... Wolverine routinely runs through multiples of assailants with automatic gunfire pouring down on him. Bullets sure as shit aren't about to do the trick. And if you think they are... AND that they are for a majority, then again, you've deluded yourself.
I was talking about gunshots, not pressure points.Yea, it means who deals the first wound...which was Blade. I get what you're trying to say though.
Originally posted by TrackzI kinda remember that coming up before... got a link to that? In any case healing from scratches is fine, but it's not impressive. And certainly not helpful against Wolverine.
Cornell clearly wrote in his script that by the time Blade and Spitfire finish their fight that the wounds should be healed. So that's exactly what he intended.
Originally posted by Trackzagain... this is all stuff that characters from the Punisher, to DD, to Captain America to Spiderman have taken. Not all of them have healing factors and the ones that do, don't heal on a level that matters vs. Wolverine. Has far as being blasted "miles" away that's pure conjecture. It never said he got blasted miles away and it certainly doesn't appear to be miles away if you know one damned thing about scale. 😐
Blade taken gunshots and been blasted miles. Tanked explosions and all of that.
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade was literally run through by Dracula, and he took the sword out and attacked him. HE was stabbed in the back by the Taker of Heads, he took the knife out and cut the monters eye out. There are plenty of feats, check the respect thread. I'm not addressing this argument when I've seen the scans and I've had editors and writers tell me that Blade heals like a vampire. I honestly don't care if you believe that the Punisher has better healing feats. That has nothing to do with the fact that Blade has taken excessive damage and healed in seconds. If Wolverine gets a couple of claws/stabs in, it's not going to put Blade down. An excessive amount sire, but we've never seen Blade pass out from bloodloss. You can keep thinking this if you want that doesn't change the fact that he's shown his healing and it has been confirmed by every writer in the last damn decade.
What are you on about? You're acting like I'm arguing that Blade can't heal at all... I'm NOT. I've already noted his healing rate.... I'm just telling you it isn't fast enough to matter against Wolverine. The times Blade has been run through he drops to a knee and needs time to get back to his feet. Same thing happened when he was "gutted" for a moment. And thats against one weapon. What? Do you think he'll do better somehow being cut or stabbed by 3? He won't. It's this simple; Blade can't take having his face stabbed, he can't take having his neck cut, he can't take getting claw punched in the heart, he can't take having his arteries shredded, any one of a NUMBER in the myriad of attacks Wolverine could/would potentially land basically end up with Blade out of the fight. Even more superficial attacks would have Blade down for a few moments he simply can not afford here. His healing factor isn't more impressive than Namor's. It's not more impressive than Beasts. IMO it's not even more impressive than Caps. He will not be able to compete with Wolverine even if it was just a blow for blow matchup. One jab to the head and he's finished.
Originally posted by TrackzI'm not even talking about skill! I'm talking about his phsyiology which is superhuman, and his armor which stops bullets and Fenris bites. And of course there's his consistency... He's the guy who's been used as a wrecking ball to bring down an apartment building... One gutshot does not put him down.... 😐
1. That was a wold war 2 Captain America, Steve wasn't nearly at the level of skill he currently is...not only that Hudlin wasn't even the one who penned the original fight, that was a flashback to a fight that had been written by Christopher Priest.
2. Wakanda has managed to fend off attacks from Doom twice, however Wakandans are proud people, I'm not sure having one of their people say that is evidence that the writer is biased...it's perfectly in character.
He IS biased I can't believe you're still willing to argue about this.... well I can actually... it isn't surprising given your history as well.
Originally posted by jinzin
Then why skew the point? Wolverine tagged Blade first. It's that simple, if he was trying to draw blood he would draw blood. And no..... just no.... Wolverine routinely runs through multiples of assailants with automatic gunfire pouring down on him. Bullets sure as shit aren't about to do the trick. And if you think they are... AND that they are for a majority, then again, you've deluded yourself.I kinda remember that coming up before... got a link to that? In any case healing from scratches is fine, but it's not impressive. And certainly not helpful against Wolverine.
again... this is all stuff that characters from the Punisher, to DD, to Captain America to Spiderman have taken. Not all of them have healing factors and the ones that do, don't heal on a level that matters vs. Wolverine. Has far as being blasted "miles" away that's pure conjecture. It never said he got blasted miles away and it certainly doesn't appear to be miles away if you know one damned thing about scale. 😐
What are you on about? You're acting like I'm arguing that Blade can't heal at all... I'm NOT. I've already noted his healing rate.... I'm just telling you it isn't fast enough to matter against Wolverine. The times Blade has been run through he drops to a knee and needs time to get back to his feet. Same thing happened when he was "gutted" for a moment. And thats against one weapon. What? Do you think he'll do better somehow being cut or stabbed by 3? He won't. It's this simple; Blade can't take having his face stabbed, he can't take having his neck cut, he can't take getting claw punched in the heart, he can't take having his arteries shredded, any one of a NUMBER in the myriad of attacks Wolverine could/would potentially land basically end up with Blade out of the fight. Even more superficial attacks would have Blade down for a few moments he simply can not afford here. His healing factor isn't more impressive than Namor's. It's not more impressive than Beasts. IMO it's not even more impressive than Caps. He will not be able to compete with Wolverine even if it was just a blow for blow matchup. One jab to the head and he's finished.
He attempted to wound Blade and missed, then Blade skewered him. If you want to say he tagged Blade first fine.
He's been put down by bullets plenty of times. Deadpool and Mystique have managed to shoot him dead. IT's all about getting a good shot. I don't believe anyone can put him down just by shooting him and praying for the best.
It should be somewhere in the respect thread. Apparently you're going to disregard it anyway so I'm not going to look for it.
Punisher at least has needed time to heal, heck in Punisher last fight with Vulture he needed months to heal from the damage. Captain America needed weeks to heal from the damage Ironman did to him. These guys have some good feats, but there's really no point in bringing them up. It doesn't change the fact Blade has no sold bullets and stabbings. One claw swipe from Wolverine isn't going to put him down.
Blade has had his throat ripped open by vampires and he heals from that. Even when he was written as purely a dhampir with minor healing abilities he was able to take being stabbed and having his throat bitten by vampires. He was stabbed in the back and he took the knife out and used it to defend himself. All before he had legitimate vampire abilities. He doesn't heal as fast as deadpool or wolverine, he also doesn't allow himself to take the amount of damage that they leave themselves open to. When Hrolf slashed his gut open, he had healed the wound before Hrolf could decapitate him and healed quickly enough to strike him before Hrolf could get another move. Blade takes seconds to heal and when Dracula stabbed him he fell and pulled the sword out. It wasn't as if he was completely out of the battle. Blade has the feats to take being stabbed/slashed. If Wolverine gets ina couple of good hits then yes the fight would be over, but Blade is good enough to adequately defend himself and deal Wolverine more damage seeing as he has ranged weapons and Cassie on his side as well.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not even talking about skill! I'm talking about his phsyiology which is superhuman, and his armor which stops bullets and Fenris bites. And of course there's his consistency... He's the guy who's been used as a wrecking ball to bring down an apartment building... One gutshot does not put him down.... 😐He IS biased I can't believe you're still willing to argue about this.... well I can actually... it isn't surprising given your history as well.
1. As I already stated the fight that you have a problem with wasn't even written by Hudlin, it was written by Christopher Priest and it was only alluded to by Hudlin.
Every point you've tried to argue has been either a bit off or wrong so I don't see how. He writes T'Challa as a top tier character, nothing more and nothing less. You want to talk about bias? How about writers who let Captain America punch out the hulk (has happened more than once) or let Wolverine take on Gladiator or Thor...
Originally posted by jinzinWhat exactly do you mean by this underlined part? Because the feats listed so far prove that Blade has an accelerated healing factor that makes him virtually immortal and capable of surviving otherwise surely fatal damage. And Blade is better than the average vampire. Maybe not better than Dracula, but easily better than the average vampire in almost all physical aspects.
Bottem line is that Blade ISN'T a real vampire, and we haven't seen a clear depiction of his healing factor at work in ANY impressive degree.
Originally posted by Trackz
He attempted to wound Blade and missed, then Blade skewered him. If you want to say he tagged Blade first fine.
Look... I realize the Guggenheim fight didn't bode well for Blade but claiming that things ended in a stalemate, or supporting that Blade "let Wolverine go" is already enough of a reach, you don't need to continue to grasp at straws to save face here. It's just making you look ridiculous... More-so than usual.
Wolverine was not out to kill Blade, this much is CLEARLY obvious, he had several opportunities to land flush shots on Blade and did not take advantage of a single one of them. This isn't a matter up for debate and frankly, claiming that Wolverine was legitimately trying to skewer Blade in that fight with those first two shots and "MISSED" is not only ridden with fanboyism but also downright insulting to Wolverine's character and severely lowballing him. If that's your contention, then I need to remind you about Blade going down to one bullet to his kevlar clad chest just pages before that happened... If you want to lowball that is... tsk tsk.
Originally posted by Trackz
He's been put down by bullets plenty of times. Deadpool and Mystique have managed to shoot him dead. IT's all about getting a good shot. I don't believe anyone can put him down just by shooting him and praying for the best.
We have to go down this road? AGAIN?! Of course we do! Because Blade needs to stand a snowballs chance in hell of taking Wolverine down without a plot device. 😄
Yyyyyyeah no. Wolverine's gone down to bullets... a couple handfuls of times actually... sure. But he's stood up to bullets FAAAAAAARRRRRR more often... And these two examples that you CONTINUE to cite are again RIDDEN with circumstances that allowed them to happen!
The Mystique fight you're referring to for instance... During the get Mystique storyline it's explicitly stated that Wolverine went chasing after Mystique for 3 days straight with no food, sleep or water the majority of that chase taking place in the desert which we already KNOW has an effect on his healing factor. He was caught up in an explosion that leveled a Mosque, he was shot by multiple men with heavy arms automatic fire to a KO, he was inside an explosive car literally packed with C4 and reduced to a skeleton, and then when he finally got within range of Mystique before that fight even started she was shooting the hell out of him with clips of automatic gunfire AND explosive iirc. Lest you think that Mystique who has been dropped by a single claw slash from Sabretooth is really good enough to drag a fight with Wolverine on that long... (no... we're not even entertaining that nonsense). THE CONTEXT MATTERS. And even then! Mystique has unique physical abilities that allow her to take/whether and distribute damage in a much more efficient manner than characters with Blade level of healing and better. Just because Mystique was able to close a fight with a weathered Wolverine like that doesn't dictate Blade could do the same with a Wolverine starting at 100%. Such an argument is beyond ludicrous and again insulting to anyone who actually read the story.
The Deadpool fight... Really??? This is pretty much the same in that Deadpool hit Wolverine with everything he could get ahold of and barely came out of that... in a fight Wolverine himself literally INTENDED to lose. And again, Deadpool has a MUCH MUCH better healing factor than Blade does. His ability to withstand punishment and find openings because of it allows for all sorts of integers that Blade simply couldn't count on having in a fight with Wolverine.
Bottem line? Wolverine's been put down by bullets sure... But that's NOT EVEN CLOSE to what typically happens in a Wolverine fight. For every time he's been put down by bullets, there's several times he's taken worse and been fine. A bullet to the brain might to the trick but I remind you there's also counter evidence of Wolverine getting up immediately after such punishment, not going down at all, actually having bone in the back of his eye, etc etc. And the majority of the time that he's gone down to a bullet to the eye include HEAPS of context you're virtually ignoring WILL NOT and CAN NOT apply to Blade in a fight with Wolverine.
Counting on this kind of strategy for a win against Wolverine is a SERIOUS reach and ignores 99.9% of the rest of his career.... if that's the case, Blade can't take the force of a bullet to his kevlar clad chest.
Originally posted by Trackz
It should be somewhere in the respect thread. Apparently you're going to disregard it anyway so I'm not going to look for it.
You think Blade's a threat, I admit that he is.
You said he has a healing factor, I agree that he does.
At what point in this debate am I being unreasonable here?
Originally posted by TrackzPunisher healing from damage is not something I'm arguing about. When I'm bringing up Punisher in this thread, it's to demonstrate that a character's ability to stand up to and fight in spite of damage is not necessarily evidence of a superior healing factor. It's said that a broken femur is the most painful injury a person can endure. Punisher not only had a broken femur but fought a superhuman regardless of it. He took a serious fight to Daken with sheer grit and balls. It's not some impressive display of healing factor. That doesn't mean Punisher is going to no sell being gutted by Wolverine or take a punched from a claws-out Wolvie without missing a beat, to insist otherwise is almost insane.
Punisher at least has needed time to heal, heck in Punisher last fight with Vulture he needed months to heal from the damage. Captain America needed weeks to heal from the damage Ironman did to him. These guys have some good feats, but there's really no point in bringing them up. It doesn't change the fact Blade has no sold bullets and stabbings. One claw swipe from Wolverine isn't going to put him down.
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Keep in mind that this is just a handful of examples that better illustrate the type of the damage wolverine can produce when his claws aren't being nerfed for the sake of the story or for the sake of keeping characters alive. One slash can rend through entire frames, or chop off limbs with ease. Even if all Wolverine was doing was wildly flailing his arms about Blade would have to be fighting a mindful and defensive battle to keep from being seriously harmed. And most of/all of these examples include characters who have healing factors/repair mechanisms on par of superior to Blades. A number of them have skill levels around Blades league as well.
Again, when Wolverine's claws aren't being nerfed, the damage he can do with a single flush attack could/would be too much for Blade to sustain and keep himself competitive with Wolverine in an in-fight scenario.
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Originally posted by TrackzAgain... what are you going on about? Making a bunch of statements about some things that Blade has done doesn't amount for much in this thread unless those examples relate specifically to what we're talking about. I'm not arguing whether or not Blade can heal, I'm arguing about to what degree that healing works..or doesn't. And bringing up a couple of examples where one stab drops Blade to the ground for a semi-extended period of time (and keep in mind in a fight seconds last for what seems like minutes, and that's to humans without any superhuman reflexes/attributes) especially one where he gets dropped by a small knife to the back of his shoulder for half a page is not a good example of Blade having a healing factor good enough to sustain the blows Wolverine's dishing out in a fight. The best evidence you have thus far is Blades fight with Hrolf, but the simple fact of that matter is that the damage we see being done is a panel so small and lacking in detail that it doesn't really demonstrate the amount of damage done, nor does it show the rate of healing as the subsequent panels never go to show blade's torso again iirc. And once more, it draws into this pitfall where guys like Punisher and Daredevil have taken this kind of damage and gone on in spite of it. It isn't evidence of a healing factor (keeping in mind I'm not saying that Blade doesn't have one) ... it sure as hell isn't evidence of the rate of a healing factor.
Blade has had his throat ripped open by vampires and he heals from that. Even when he was written as purely a dhampir with minor healing abilities he was able to take being stabbed and having his throat bitten by vampires. He was stabbed in the back and he took the knife out and used it to defend himself. All before he had legitimate vampire abilities. He doesn't heal as fast as deadpool or wolverine, he also doesn't allow himself to take the amount of damage that they leave themselves open to. When Hrolf slashed his gut open, he had healed the wound before Hrolf could decapitate him and healed quickly enough to strike him before Hrolf could get another move. Blade takes seconds to heal and when Dracula stabbed him he fell and pulled the sword out. It wasn't as if he was completely out of the battle. Blade has the feats to take being stabbed/slashed.
We've seen characters like Batman and Elektra draw on energy to close up bullet holes in two or three panels, in a laps of a few moments. The closest thing we've seen for Blade's rate of healing typically stems from superficial damage like Spitfires scratches or unclear artwork which is shrug-worthy at best. 😬
If Blade can have a hole shot through his stomach, or have his throat slit, or lose a limb and continue to fight unhindered in that moment, then please produce that evidence. I've never seen it.
Originally posted by Trackz
If Wolverine gets ina couple of good hits then yes the fight would be over, but Blade is good enough to adequately defend himself and deal Wolverine more damage seeing as he has ranged weapons and Cassie on his side as well.
This fight essentially boils down to one basic thing, what Wolverine can take. His damage soak and rate of healing are so ridiculous that Wolverine's essentially a broken character when it comes to most melee fights, and no, 1 sword, a handgun, some knives and a few stakes are not going to tip the scales in Blade's favor against this kind of monumental advantage. Because of Wolverine's bones sctructure coupled with his innate power, Blade can only do very superficial damage to Wolverine for the most part, and for the most part, if Blade wants to do more than that he needs to draw himself in close, which your skewed examples have already demonstrated is practically a suicide mission. And, unfortunately, 1 semi-generic street level MA isn't going to add a heaping advantage against Wolverine here either.
Even if Wolverine was robbed of his speed, strength, and skill... even if all Cass and Blade were fighting here was an Adamantiumized Madcap for all intents and purposes, they would STILL be fighting a predominantly defensive battle simply based on the fact that Wolverine can take SOOOOO much more than they can, and he can dish out SOOOOO much more than they can. That's a sizable advantage that Wolverine has over most street levels and it still shocks me it isn't brought up more it's so obvious. But..... Wolverine DOES have his strength, speed and skillset and because those are also all slight advantages in his favor, Blade has to fight a near flawless battle to even have a chance of being successful here.
Getting a "couple good hits in" is Wolverine's WORST case scenario when he's operating nowhere NEAR his best, or even remotely near his typical. That's the most Blade could hope for... and frankly, it didn't work for Mystique in your example, and she had damn near every advantage possible before the fight even got underway. Your argument here for Blade is basically that you feel he won't allow himself to take damage..... if he's within Wolverine's range, and he will be.... the dude isn't going to have a choice. 😐
Originally posted by Trackz
1. As I already stated the fight that you have a problem with wasn't even written by Hudlin, it was written by Christopher Priest and it was only alluded to by Hudlin.Every point you've tried to argue has been either a bit off or wrong so I don't see how. He writes T'Challa as a top tier character, nothing more and nothing less. You want to talk about bias? How about writers who let Captain America punch out the hulk (has happened more than once) or let Wolverine take on Gladiator or Thor...
Umm no. The only thing I might be mistaken about it the Cap fight... I'll have to go back and check, I seem to remember Priest leaving it open ended on how the fight concluded whereas Hudlin decided it ended with the gut punch.
I don't condone Cap KOing Gladiator.
Wolverine's a brick slayer that's what he does. If bricks try to fight him in melee it's generally not a good idea. That's consistent with his entire career.... I also don't condone Wolverine fighting Glads or Thor using the full extent of their abilities.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What exactly do you mean by this underlined part? Because the feats listed so far prove that Blade has an accelerated healing factor that makes him virtually immortal and capable of surviving otherwise surely fatal damage. And Blade is better than the average vampire. Maybe not better than Dracula, but easily better than the average vampire in almost all physical aspects.
Blade isn't a real vampire, furthermore, he has an absence of evidence to show a myriad of different abilities that vampires have been shown to posses. And physically speaking, Blades typically weaker than a large number of vamps. Like I stated before, I'm not arguing that he has a healing factor. Pretty sure it's been flat out stated he has one. In any case Blade's origins are hardly the matter at hand. I shouldn't have taken the bait on that one as it's hardly a relevant point.
^ Agreed. 👆
Originally posted by jinzinI still don't understand "not a real vampire." What is he, if not a vampire that's immune to typical vampire banes? And from everything I've seen and everything that's been mentioned, Blade is at least as strong, agile, durable and immortal as any other vampire. All of their strengths (physical anyway) and none of their weaknesses.
Blade isn't a real vampire, furthermore, he has an absence of evidence to show a myriad of different abilities that vampires have been shown to posses. And physically speaking, Blades typically weaker than a large number of vamps. Like I stated before, I'm not arguing that he has a healing factor. Pretty sure it's been flat out stated he has one. In any case Blade's origins are hardly the matter at hand. I shouldn't have taken the bait on that one as it's hardly a relevant point.
