Wolverine vs Blade/Cassie

Started by srankmissingnin9 pages

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Blade has no definitive healing factor feats what-so-ever, and no strength or speed or skill feats on par with Wolverine. Regardless of what Guggenhiem intended to write, what he ended up actually writing was Wolverine effortlessly schooling Blade without any effort. Blade encountered a weary Wolverine who had no interest in fighting him. Blade attacked a disinterested Wolverine, Wolveriene slashed his chest and allowed himself to be stabbed. He walked down Blade's sword, raked Blade's check with his claws to see if Blade had healing factor (which he doesn't), in order to dictate how he would proceed going forward. Wolverine disarmed Blade of his sword and punched him across the room. Blade drew his gun and fired one Wolverine, it had no effect and Wolverine closed the distance and pinned him to the ground. Knowing Blade lacks a healing factor Wolverine restrains from stabbing him while he is pinned. Blade pulls out a syringe (that we now know would have had no effect) and threatens to turn Wolverine to a vampire. Wolverine tells him to go for it, but Blade backs down remembering he owns Wolverine his life. Killing Blade would have been as simple as Wolverine tightening his grip and braking Eric's neck. It wasn't a stalemate, it wasn't a remotely even fight, Wolverine effortlessly dismantled Blade without putting the slightest amount of effort into it. If Guggenheim thought he was writing a stalemate that favoured Blade than he is a worse writer than we previously thought.

Blade is no match for Wolverine. Ten Blades are no match for Wolverine. If Wolverine put in any effort into fighting Blade the fought would last all of three panels, and that is a conservative estimate. Look at Wolverine's fights with Shatterstar... and then remember that Shatterstar is better than Blade and you will have some idea of how outmatched Blade is in this "fight".

Batgirl doesn't even begin to balance the scale.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade is no match for Wolverine. Ten Blades are no match for Wolverine. If Wolverine put in any effort into fighting Blade the fought would last all of three panels, and that is a conservative estimate.
facepalm Let us know when you're being liberal and/or exaggerating.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
i have to agree with Jinzin and his post. it is just ludicrous the examples being thrown against logan to boaster blade and cass.

Logan has fought duo opponents various times in his comic series on par if not superior to these two.

one example was the cage fight Logan had with both Lady deathstrike and sabretooth over new york.

Wolverine's also lost to less various times.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
facepalm Let us know when you're being liberal and/or exaggerating. Wolverine's also lost to less various times.
I agree. I know what you are implying. Logan has lost to less but the high average overshadows those few moments. there are names for such poor showings.

I would never try to use sparse low showings of a character whose bulk history outshine those moments with average showings putting aside high showings.

It be like trying to use a gas station, bullet or spiderman when saying Thor, Firelord or Superman have loss to less.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
I agree. I know what you are implying. Logan has lost to less but the high average overshadows those few moments. there are names for such poor showings.
Yeah, I don't think they do. You mentioned Lady Deathstrike. Wolverine's been embarrassed by Lady Deathstrike on-panel too.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I would never try to use sparse low showings of a character whose bulk history outshine those moments with average showings putting aside high showings.

It be like trying to use a gas station, bullet or spiderman when saying Thor, Firelord or Superman have loss to less.

That's PIS. That's not how I would characterize fights where Captain America or Punisher or Daredevil gives Wolverine trouble in a 1v1 fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, I don't think they do. You mentioned Lady Deathstrike. Wolverine's been embarrassed by Lady Deathstrike on-panel too. That's PIS. That's not how I would characterize fights where Captain America or Punisher or Daredevil gives Wolverine trouble in a 1v1 fight.
and vice versa.

Punisher or Daredevil given Wolverine any form of trouble other than prolonging the inevitable is pis at its finest. Captain America has a shield which allows him to contend with Logan and his claws who also happens to be more than peak and in the superhuman category.

Writer Armor has kept both Punisher and Daredevil from a body bag when facing Wolverine in a one on one . 😬

Wolverine's history has him eating guys like those two for breakfast in groups with all around higher stats in the superhuman category.

If u cant see that there is no reason for me even talking to u about it.

^ K, bye.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't know who Raven is. Also, I happen to know what a dhampir is. And dhampirs have almost always been portrayed as physically superior to vampires.

Typically (to my recall anyway), dhampirs are typically portrayed as stronger than turned vamps and weaker than pure bloods. Either way it doesn't matter to this discussion.

BTW: Raven= Mystique

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't understand why you would invoke that concept. I was also under the impression that we were focusing on physicality. Maybe I wasn't clear. So let me be clear: mist, shapeshifting, weather control... I don't care. Frankly, nobody cares about that as far as I know (unless someone argued Blade turns to mist and asphyxiates Logan... ?).
We've seen people argue multiple times that Blade has "all the powers of the undead" in an attempt to feat swap for the feats that Blade doesn't posses. As long as that isn't happening here, then it doesn't matter which is why I said this particular subject was irrelivent to the discussion and should've been ignored by me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pretty sure Blade's immortal. Wolverine is as well. Even though Wolverine ages slower than normal as well. Aging slower doesn't mean anything to me. I have no idea what physical distinctions you're trying to make other than strength which other's can speak more to. Who's been arguing that Blade strikes Logan down with lightning or shapeshifts into a mouse?

Cover that in a sec...

In any case, no Blade is not a "real" vampire. That's been a point of his character for years, and yes he does have generic vamp abilities, but no, feats displayed by other vamps don't get to be assumed for Blade as they've been in threads time after time.

Can we move on now? This part of the discussion is getting off base.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Found this in the respect thread snoop made:


Yeah and? Some writers think that "immortal" is an interchangable term for inhuman longevity so let me be clear, immortal means to live forever, that one can not f***ing be killed.

Wolverine's been described as being immortal by a 3rd person on panel narrative and that's FAR MORE convincing proof of his immortality than Blade's self hyperbole but it's still not something I would guage is true either.

They both age at a retarded rate but they still both age. Unless there's something that states that they've stopped aging all together, or will stop aging then they aren't immortal. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah and? Some writers think that "immortal" is an interchangable term for inhuman longevity so let me be clear, immortal means to live forever, that one can not f***ing be killed.

Wolverine's been described as being immortal by a 3rd person on panel narrative and that's FAR MORE convincing proof of his immortality than Blade's self hyperbole but it's still not something I would guage is true either.

They both age at a retarded rate but they still both age. Unless there's something that states that they've stopped aging all together, or will stop aging then they aren't immortal. 😐

I'm not saying Blade can't be killed. I'm just showing a scan he himself stating he's immortal.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not saying Blade can't be killed. I'm just showing a scan he himself stating he's immortal.

All I'm saying is that it isn't really proof of immortality.

Originally posted by Trackz
Team still wins.

Blitz him until he eventually falls. Wolverine can pull off a couple of wins, but most likely not.

Provided evidence of Blade taking serious damage (losing limbs, taking stabs, being slashed, bitten in the throat etc.) they were discounted but that doesn't invalidate them. Cassie's contributions are largely being ignored seeing as she has speed feats to put her right up there with logan (some surpass). I'm not getting into walls of text against posters that are otherwise steadfast in their opinion and won't concede anything even after proof is given.

As for Blade being weaker than most vampires? That's false. He's been stated and shown that he is stronger than the average vampire...the only vampires to overpower him have been Dracula, Negus, and Varnae or other vampire that have existed for millennia. Hell, the new Baron Blood (who had identical stats to his father, who was overpowering Cap while weakened) was afraid of engaging Blade in combat. That's another argument all together though.

Batgirl and Blade can deal enough damage while switching between upclose and ranged combat. It wouldn't be easy, fighting Wolverine never is.

Anyway, I'm tempted to wait until that Blade/Wolverine one-shot comes out so maybe there's finally concrete evidence of how they stack up to each other, even though their last fight was pretty much stated by marvel to be a stalemate.


NO....... 😐

Nononononononononono. You don't get to virtually ignore an ENTIRE ARGUMENT that not only proves Wolverine's case but dismembers that of Blade's and then state that it's me who is arbitrarily discounting feats you. freaking. clown.

NO ONE is blitzing Wolverine in this thread..... That's all there is to it. In order to blitz someone you need to be faster than they are. Blade is not faster than Wolverine and we ALREADY resolved that matter to it's current definitive end in THIS THREAD:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=552539&highlight=Blade+Wolverine+faster

If Blade was even remotely physically able to blitz Wolverine he would've displayed that ability already.... fact is he didn't...
So not only do his speed feats not stack up to Wolverine's but in their direct comparison, Wolverine put mits on Blade 6 times compared to the 2 shots blade got off in melee..... Wolverine tagged Blade TWICE WHILE Blade was attempting to pounce at him.... It's absurd... it's beyond ridiculous that we even have to get into why Blade isn't on Wolverine's level of speed AGAIN much less above it.

There's the fact that Wolverine already saved Blade from a vamp that overpowered him and Blade recalled a reference to Wolverine's inhuman speed when he did it.

Or there's the fact that in Blade's most recent fight with Drac, he got blitzed... When Wolverine fought Drac, he blitzed Drac.

OR there's the fact that the last time Blade and Wolverine met up, Wolverine stopped Blade from staking jubes before Blade could even begin to attack even though Wolverine started from standing behind him.

You can't... you can't just sit there and DECIDE that Blade's fast enough to blitz Logan when that's the exact opposite of what we've already been shown on multiple levels.
Blade is not faster than this:

He's not faster than this:

Or this:

And he definitely isn't faster than THIS:

And frankly, in spite of what you've been told or what you think you believe, the fact of the matter is neither is Cass and if you think a couple of bullet dodging feats somehow change that fact, then you need your head examined.
Elektra's blocked automatic gunfire with the blades of her sais; And she still thinks Wolverine's faster than her.
Shatterstar has dodged gunfire while being surrounded by multiple gunmen with automatic guns being fired at him from every direction; And he consistently fails to last more than 4 panels against Wolverine.
Captain America has some of the best bullet time feats out there, hasn't stopped Wolverine from laying mitts on him, even before the weapon X project enhanced him.

You think these two are going to blitz Wolverine? Really?
Do you understand how insane that makes you sound? Because in order to do that they have to be faster than the likes of people that have failed to before and lets look at that list.
They'd have to be faster than Spiderman, who has hell keeping from being tagged by Wolverine.
Than Puma, who failed to successfully blitz a drugged Wolverine wearing an eyepatch without getting countered.
Than Lizard who got straight up owned.
Than X-23 who got straight up schooled.
Than Storm in flight trying to blitz him.
Than Rogue in flight trying to blitz him.
Than Cyclops' optic blasts.
Than Prime Sentinals who were moving too fast for Cyclops to track/SEE.
Than Speedball who tried to get at Logan from behind.
Than Living Lightning who tried to close on a distracted Logan.
Than Gladiator who was in flight zipping around fighting the Avengers.....

But yeah, Wolverine will be litzed by these two because he's "had problems with less"..... okay.... Yeah... these two are as tough as the Adamantium Men from strikeforce X... I believe that one. 🙄

As for Blade's healing factor... I don't know why you think posted up pics of Blade getting dropped for multiple panels to a single stab wound is IN BLADE'S FAVOR in this thread... but it isn't... 😕

I've already proven what kind of damage a single flush shot can do when Wolverine's claws aren't nerfed for the sake of the story. Nothing on Blade's body will stop, slow, or reduce the damage of the claws down. Cutting through Blades body even with armor, even with kevlar is as simple for Wolverine as wisking your hand through a body of water.

Blade doesn't have a single feat that puts his damage soak/healing factor outside the realm of guys like Punisher, Cap, or Spidey. And while you may disagree based on principle alone it doesn't matter this is comics. Heroes typically have crazy mind over body feats of pain tolerance etc... doesn't change the fact that a single attack that has been seen turning cyborgs, androids, and buildings into virtual scrap metal is all Wolverine needs to end a fight with Blade... ALL he needs to do is land a single jab... the easiest strike to land in a standup fight and frankly Blade hasn't displayed the skill or the speed to effectively dodge that.... AT ALL (which is something their last fight proved definitively)... much less indefnitely and he'll have to in order to have a chance of winning this... it's that simple... you think he can dance around Wolverine or blitz him? He can't! He isn't a speedster, he isn't even a Spidey villain, he's a guy who ended up on his hands and knees in a brief scuffle with Gambit.

As Srank stated adding one more MA into the mix doesn't even begin to tip the odds in their favor.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, I don't think they do. You mentioned Lady Deathstrike. Wolverine's been embarrassed by Lady Deathstrike on-panel too.
which fight are you refering to here?

only cause i have it

🙂

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Originally posted by jinzin

Or there's the fact that in Blade's most recent fight with Drac, he got blitzed... When Wolverine fought Drac, he blitzed Drac.

OR there's the fact that the last time Blade and Wolverine met up, Wolverine stopped Blade from staking jubes before Blade could even begin to attack even though Wolverine started from standing behind him.

When did Drac blitz Blade? When did Logan blitz Drac? And do you really think Logan stopping Blade from staking Jubes indicates a speed advantage?

The last time that they fought in Blade's last ongoing title. Dracula blitzed Blade from across a basketball court and snatched him up by the neck.
When Wolverine went after Drac he pounced at him from across a room and landed first contact.

While Blade may be better suited to fight Dracula due to his weapons the difference in those two examples looks pretty clear.

As for the Jubes incident. It very well could. Again, Blade starts infront of Wolverine, and Wolverine basically dares him to try and stake Jubes, when he does Wolverine basically appears right infront of him stopping him before he could even begin to attack her. It's pretty likely that Blade would try to do it quickly given that Wolverine just dared him outright in a threatening manner, I certainly don't believe he was taking his sweet ass time and quite frankly you would need to be moving in a superior degree of speed to catch up to a target that's infront of you much less appear in front of it. And yeah, it kinda matters in a thread where people think Blade has ANY means to actually dance around or blitz Wolverine.... 😐