Originally posted by Darth MartinAll the people claiming Nolan dropped the ball are entitled to their opinion. But, the truth is, he sucessfully has put a conclusive end to one of the greatest trilogies of all time. Let's be honest, the only one better being The Godfather series.
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I agree on your comparison to The Godfather series...but for all the wrong reasons. Nolan lost the mythos of Batman by making the trilogy on an epic scale (like Godfather). He lost sight on the Dark Knight himself by flooding the movie with too many sub-stories of minor characters.Nolan made TDK & TDKR about Gotham city & lost focus on the lone Caped Crusader's quest.
In TDKR, I didn't need to know about orphans, the plight of individual cops or redeeming minor members on the Wayne's Committee Board.
I didn't need epic camera spans of Gotham City or convoluted flashbacks that had nothing to do with Bruce or Batman.
Nolan made a grand masterpiece & told an epic story but unfortunately in doing so, he forgot & lost sight of Batman himself/
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Nolan made a grand masterpiece & told an epic story but unfortunately in doing so, he forgot & lost sight of Batman himself/
That's probably why I prefer the first film to TDK. It was a bit more grounded and focused on the Batman himself, while still setting up for larger plots to come. I'm not even all that interested in seeing this one. The addition of Catwoman seems like a bad move to me... kind of like the silly addition of Robin in Batman & Robin... lol
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The addition of Catwoman seems like a bad move to me... kind of like the silly addition of Robin in Batman & Robin... lol
I can see the comparison that your trying to make but Catwoman didn't come off bad or silly at all
Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]My absolute biggest complaint was the atrocious voice from Bane. Half the time, I could not understand ANYTHING he was saying. The plot and his "motivations" were easy enough for me to figure out with out having to hear any of his dialogue.
However, Bane needed subtitles. Plain and simple.
I'm guessing your one of these people that also need subtitles when Aussies are talking 😐
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That's probably why I prefer the first film to TDK. It was a bit more grounded and focused on the Batman himself, while still setting up for larger plots to come. I'm not even all that interested in seeing this one. The addition of Catwoman seems like a bad move to me... kind of like the silly addition of Robin in Batman & Robin... lol
This one is like Begins in that it focuses far more on Batman.
Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm guessing your one of these people that also need subtitles when Aussies are talking 😐
Meh, he was a difficult to understand. Don't think he needs subtitles, but you would have to concentrate on what he was saying.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So far, I think that Prometheus is the best film, this year.
1.TDKR
2.Avengers
3.Prometheus
Originally posted by Esau CairnHonestly, could the series have been any better if he took that approach? He made Batman epic. It'd be hard as hell to just straight up adapt the Rocksteady video games.
Nolan made a grand masterpiece & told an epic story but unfortunately in doing so, he forgot & lost sight of Batman himself/
Originally posted by Darth MartinHow many third movies can you cite that are as good, if even approaching, as this one? Not many if any at all.
This was definitely Bale's best performance as Wayne/Batman, Caine did work here as did Gordon and JGL. Standout performances for Bane and Selina though. Catwoman definitely stole the show IMO.
All the people claiming Nolan dropped the ball are entitled to their opinion. But, the truth is, he sucessfully has put a conclusive end to one of the greatest trilogies of all time. Let's be honest, the only one better being The Godfather series.
Oh yeah I think it was a good movie. It's just my least favorite of the 3. I was disappointed only because I guess I was expecting too much with rumors that it's better than TDK.
It didn't touch TDK Imo.
But overall still an Epic trilogy. I can't think of another superhero series that's made 3 such great movies in a row.
Ooo, that's tough. All of Nolan" Bat villains are great. Anyway, some spoilers:
Spoiler:l
1. Joker
2. Bane (almost on par with Joker)
3. Scarecrow (loved his cameo in TDKR)
4. Ra's al Ghul
5. Two Face
6. Talia al Ghu
Really though, all of these villains were great and could easily be counted among the top cinematic comic villains. As for Bane and Joker, these two are easily some of greatest villains in all of cinematic history.
Joker
Bane
Ras
Not even a contest. Bane sounded like a cartoon character and his death was hilariously anti-dramatic. As a whole, Bane as a character just wasn't really... anything. He ended up just being a muscled-thug henchman in the end, and his schemes weren't nearly as elaborate or clever as the Joker's.
Anyway, I was extremely disappointed with this movie.
The plot was very Un-Nolan like- totally convoluted with multiple cliches and predictability, and way over-saturated with sub-plots for meaningless characters. Catwoman's role in particular felt shoe-horned in, and her sub-plot seemed really irrelevant up until the very end... hence the shoe-horn. Her entire reason for existing within the movie was to fulfill one function at the very end... which is rather disappointing.
There's more issues I have with the movie, but they've all been mentioned already by other people in here.
So that's just my opinion, obviously, and then again I've only seen it once thus far, so my opinion might be different later, but on the whole, I just didn't walk out of this film with the same content feeling that I felt walking out of TDK.
And I wasn't expecting it too. I fully expected the film to not meet the hype, but I still walked out disappointed.
As of right now, I give the Avengers a higher score than this. Avengers might not be as "deep and complex" as this movie is, it might not be "a thinking man's film", like this movie is, but as far as the actual quality of it as a film, Avengers was just better handled. The plot wasn't as convoluted and all of the characters and sub-plots were better written, imo.
I give this film a 7/10, with its soundtrack being its saving grace (srsly, the soundtrack in this was ****ing awesome).
Watched this today; overall disappointed. The saying 'hero/movie's only as good as its villain' was definitely true here, Bane was overall forgettable. Form his look to his ripped-off Johann Kraus (Hellboy II) voice. I just couldn't be interested in this villain or his motives, like you were with Ledger's Joker or Neeson's Ra's.
Cat Woman felt overall pointless in this, though nothing as terrible as Halle Berry's performance.
I'd say 6.5/10 and without a doubt the worst out of the three.
Originally posted by Mindset
Order the villains from best to worst out of the trilogy.
Spoiler:
1) Joker (by a lot)
2) Ra's
3)Two Face
3.1)Scarecrow
4) Bane
5) Talia