I have more comments on the film. Here are some plotholes or problems with the film. I present them in order as you view the film:
Spoiler:
Why was Bruce Wayne's lack of cartilage in his knees magically forgotten the rest of the film? It wasn't just one knee, it was both. But, after that...he puts on one brace, bam. It's back to normal like nothing happened. Oh, and he can now "rock climb" and jump really far distances like they are nothing despite having what amounts to severely debilitating arthritis.On that note, how does he have any sort of fitness, at all, after 8 years of reclusiveness in his own home in a particular room?
The stock market scene: it got dark far too quickly. It was midday and then night. Do they only have 1 hour of daylight each day, or something? How else do you explain the quick transition from noon to midnight?
How did Bruce Wayne get back to America right after he got out of The Hole (it was in Jodhpur)? He had 0 money and possessions, remember? He was penniless.
How did Bruce Wayne get into Gotham City when it was on a horrendous lockdown? "Because he's the ****ing Batman" does not cut it. What is the actual reason? Why eliminate this plot point? "Running time, man. Don't have time to explain this because the movie was already too long." Okay, cool. But that does not white-wash the obvious plot hole.
How did Batman find time to make that massive logo on the bridge (the one that was lit on fire by the Commissioner), right out in the open in front of everyone including those that should have killed him when he tried to enter the city?
And the weirdest plot problem is a character problem: why would Bruce Wayne trust Catwoman after she **** him over not once but twice? The second time was a severe betrayal: not a light one. But, magically, when Bruce comes back, he wants to be friends. "But, but! She was helping Street Urchins like a hero!" Okay, okay. But that doesn't redeem her, does it? She was always looking after her gal, but that doesn't mean she should be kept at a massive distance. And why did he track her down, of all people? How could he track her down? This is Gotham mother****in' city: 12 Million strong. Yet, he tracks her down without most technologies being available in the city. Hmmm.
The Talia twist was uneeded. It was pretty much out of place.the entire scene of her reveal and the very short moments after that reveal were out of place and felt forced. Batman was stabbed in the ribs. He's not a fat person and the blade looked quite long. His lung should have been punctured (and most likely collapsed). Is he gasping on the ground for air? NOPE! He's the ****in' Batman! Screw Talia's reveal: Batman is a Klingon with 4 sets of lungs for redundancy purposes.
I could be missing tons of stuff and I'm sure there will be massive plotholes listed on the Internets over the next few weeks. But these are my observations after seeing the film. If I see the film a second time, I could find more plotholes.
Everyone gave Prometheus shit, so why not TDKR? I see more problems with Batman than I do with Prometheus.
Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm guessing your one of these people that also need subtitles when Aussies are talking 😐
Nope, I can understand most kinds of Aussie accents, just fine.
However, if you had an Aussie talk into a tube, with a cartoony almost comical inflection, and then distorted the voice after recording it, then you'd get something closer to what Bane sounded like (minus the region specific accent, of course).
Originally posted by Digi
lol
Laugh it up: I really enjoyed Prometheus. It is the only film released this year that I want to see again.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
1.TDKR
2.Avengers
3.Prometheus
Decent list. 👆
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I agree. One of my new all-time favorite movies. I'm a sucker for dark sci-fi. It's my bread and buttuh. Caped crusaders are a tad on the silly side to me.
That's cause you...like...have good taste in films. lol!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh yeah I think it was a good movie. It's just my least favorite of the 3. I was disappointed...
Amazing: we agree quite a bit, here.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Joker
Bane
RasNot even a contest. Bane sounded like a cartoon character and his death was hilariously anti-dramatic. As a whole, Bane as a character just wasn't really... anything. He ended up just being a muscled-thug henchman in the end, and his schemes weren't nearly as elaborate or clever as the Joker's.
Anyway, I was extremely disappointed with this movie.
The plot was very Un-Nolan like- totally convoluted with multiple cliches and predictability, and way over-saturated with sub-plots for meaningless characters. Catwoman's role in particular felt shoe-horned in, and her sub-plot seemed really irrelevant up until the very end... hence the shoe-horn. Her entire reason for existing within the movie was to fulfill one function at the very end... which is rather disappointing.
There's more issues I have with the movie, but they've all been mentioned already by other people in here.
So that's just my opinion, obviously, and then again I've only seen it once thus far, so my opinion might be different later, but on the whole, I just didn't walk out of this film with the same content feeling that I felt walking out of TDK.
And I wasn't expecting it too. I fully expected the film to not meet the hype, but I still walked out disappointed.
As of right now, I give the Avengers a higher score than this. Avengers might not be as "deep and complex" as this movie is, it might not be "a thinking man's film", like this movie is, but as far as the actual quality of it as a film, Avengers was just better handled. The plot wasn't as convoluted and all of the characters and sub-plots were better written, imo.
I give this film a 7/10, with its soundtrack being its saving grace (srsly, the soundtrack in this was ****ing awesome).
Your review seems a lot like mine.
Spoiler:
Bane's death was quite funny. No one else laughed in the theater, though. uhuh
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd say 6.5/10 and without a doubt the worst out of the three.1) Joker (by a lot)
2) Ra's
3)Two Face
3.1)Scarecrow
4) Bane
5)Spoiler:
Talia
I gave it a 7 so we are not that far off.
BTW, your list is my list, as well. That's the exact list I would make.
Cat Woman was an utterly cliche "bad girl with a heart of gold" anti-hero who literally spent the entire movie just scowling and complaining about how hard she's got it... while simultaneously walking around wearing thousand dollar dresses and making millionaires fall in love with her. She sucked in this movie.
And I don't understand this hard-on for Scarecrow. He did three things as a villain: 1. Mind**** that mobster 2. Get spanked by Batman and imprisoned 3. Get beat by Katie Holmes armed by with ****ing taser.
edit- I laughed at Bane's death too. But it was more of a scornful laugh.
I was definitlely laughing at Bane. Not... with him.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Actually, I do agree that this movie had alot of plot holes. It was just too awesome for me to drag it down because of it.
+10 respect points for admitting to that but still liking the film a whole bunch. You're a true fan who is not blinded by fanboyism.
Originally posted by Kazenji
People not being able to understand some of these character's voices......first batman's for Dark knight and now Bane for this moviemust be going a lil deaf you peeps.
Yes, blame it on us losing our hearing. That makes perfect sense because we complained about not being able to hear other characters. Oh, wait, we didn't. Maybe Bane's voice just sucked?
Let me tell you the number of people that did not complain about Bane's voice: 0. That's right, out of the group of 14 people that saw this film with me, every last person had a problem with Bane's voice.
By the way, I had no problems with Batman's voice in TDK. It was a bit stupid and cheesy, but I had no problems hearing it.
Here is my pros and cons list for what I can think of right now:
Cons:
Spoiler:
-Talia was predictable (so was Robin, but that didn't bother me as much because that reveal didn't change anything, but I new the whole time Talia was a secret bad guy)-Talia being the main bad guy makes Bane a glorified henchman
-Talia died in a vehicle crash, very anti-climatic
-Bane said he was born in the darkness. We were to assume he was the child born into the pit prison. Then when it is revealed that Talia was the one born in the pit, so it opens the question: Were 2 children born in dark pits?
-Bane was taken out too suddenly by Catwoman, also anti-climatic
-Auto-pilot was over foreshadowed and too predictable (should have just killed him)
-I still think spending the time to make the Batsymbol on the bridge was idiotic, especially since they lit the ice on fire when that ice breaks easily.
-Batman's back is healed in a preposterous way, and they don't address how he overcomes not eating enough even after Bane said the famine is what makes the men weak
-As awesome as Bane was, I wasn't completely enthralled with every moment he was on the screen, as I was with Joker. Part of this is that Joker is creepy and funny at the same time, while Bane was intimidating but there really was no joy or fun in a comical sense that Joker brought. This is not a criticism of Bane because that just isn't his character and it wouldn't fit, but it is just something that makes this inferior to TDK.
-It was pretty unexplained where all the motorcycles came from in the stock exchange building. I guess we can assume that they were parked in the back and the bad guys went out there to get the motorcycles, but then why didn't they just ride away from there? And why did they take the time to change their clothes before leaving the stock exchange?
-Talia was able to make the jump as a kid, even though generations of adult males couldn't make the jump.
-Talia's backstory for some reason was a combination of hers and Bane's from the comics, which makes me wonder "Why was she the kid in prison and not Bane?" And how did Bane get out of the prison too? Do we just assume that Talia came back later, because she didn't throw down a rope right away like Bruce did.
-They could have ended it perfect by ending it right after Alfred looks up, but they decided to make sure the ending is hammered over our heads like we are morons.
Pros
Bane breaks Batman's back with a backbreaker 😎Bane was overall a badass, and I did like his voice a lot too.
The story wraps up the series nicely including elements of the first 2 movies, was emotionally powerful for comic movie, and managed to fit many important characters from the comics into the series (Scarecrow, Ra's, Talia, Joker, Two-Face, Bane, Robin) without making them dumb. I do wish that Nolan would make another, but I know that won't happen.
The music just makes everything feel epic.
The cement bombs was an awesome idea and it was crazy seeing nearly the whole sitting blowing up all around them.
The themes of the movie were solid.
Catwoman was cool, and I thought that could go either way before seeing the movie (she didn't top Batman Returns Catwoman though IMO).
The movie had more of an emotional punch than the previous films, particularly regarding Alfred.
Overall, 8.5/10 for me (I give Batman Begins at 9, and TDK a 10).
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, blame it on us losing our hearing. That makes perfect sense because we complained about not being able to hear other characters.
Stop making up nonsense that i didn't say......i never mentioned the other characters at all
Maybe Bane's voice just sucked?
If Bane's voice Sucked.... then how come i could understand him just fine 😐.......yeah its just you
By the way, I had no problems with Batman's voice in TDK. It was a bit stupid and cheesy, but I had no problems hearing it.
I knows other folks did on this site.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Stop making up nonsense that i didn't say......i never mentioned the other characters at all
facepalm
I know you didn't say that: that's the point. 😬 😬 😬 😬
If we complained about not being able to "hear" Bane's voice, we would be complaining about other characters, too. Therefore, your "your hearing is going bad" is not a valid excuse.
Originally posted by Kazenji
If Bane's voice Sucked.... then how come i could understand him just fine 😐.......yeah its just you
I can't comment on why are saying those things. I'd have to experience your reality from inside your body to know if what you're telling me is truth or just fanboyism. I strongly suspect the latter.
Originally posted by Kazenji
I knows other folks did on this site.
Yes, I read that. But I didn't say everyone could understand him, just fine, did I? 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
facepalmI know you didn't say that: that's the point. 😬 😬 😬 😬
So why bring it up in the first place when i clearly mentioned only Bane with this movie 😬
I can't comment on why are saying those things. I'd have to experience your reality from inside your body to know if what you're telling me is truth or just fanboyism. I strongly suspect the latter.
it has nothing to do with fanboyism at all... but oh well if thats what you wish to believe then go ahead
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Originally posted by Kazenji
So why bring it up in the first place when i clearly mentioned only Bane with this movie 😬
Originally posted by dadudemon
facepalmIf we complained about not being able to "hear" Bane's voice, we would be complaining about other characters, too. Therefore, your "your hearing is going bad" is not a valid excuse.
Originally posted by dadudemon
it has nothing to do with fanboyism at all... but oh well if thats what you wish to believe then go ahead
K. *thinks about it some more*
So I watched the movie last night after watching Begins and TDK before hand.
I keep trying to peg down how I feel about this movie. On on hand I will say it is a good movie, with some very good performances, fairly decent plot, with a couple really nice twists and interactions. Now on the other hand I think this movie was going for epic but it never quite hits it completely. While I think TDKR story was better than the Avengers when I left the Avengers movies after watching it 3 times all I could think of is wow that was big and massive and powerful and awesome. I didn't get the same feeling as that when leaving the TDKR. In fact I watched it with roughly the same group of friends and after the Avengers we were all like wow did you see Thor do this or Ironman do that or Hulk was crazy great. After watching TDKR I felt we didn't really talk about it at all afterwards and definitely not to the same degree as Avengers. TDKR had it's pretty big and powerful moments as well but not nearly on the same scale as Avengers.
Also after watching all the films yesterday I honestly think BB is going to end up being the best movie out of all of them in terms of a batman movie. To me it had the most concise and very well done story. I also think it was Bale's best performance as Batman period. I actually felt like I was watching Batman while the other movies made me think more action hero in a batman suit. Of course the TDK had the Joker which was such a fun and great performance to watch.
Now I want to about the Villain(s) for TDKR. I want to lead off by saying I think most people are going to always pick the Joker as the best villain out of the bunch. I think the Joker is just a villain that translates well to the big screen. He has a distinct look, is flashy and just out in your face eccentric. I think those types of villains tend to get remembered more. Also after watching TDK again it's easy to see just how much effort and time Heath put into the Joker and how much fun he had with the character. Whenever you get a good/great actor putting that much effort and enjoyment into a roll you know you're gonna get something special.
That being said I loved Bane in this movie. With the exception of the voice at times(other times it worked really well) Tom Hardy did an amazing job in this movie for me. Unlike the Joker I don't think Bane's concept translates as well to the big screen and it could have been easy for Bane to become generic super badguy #1. Yet Hardy put in a performance that imo equals Heath's Joker even though most people probably won't pick him. The mannerisms, the way he acted, talked, moved everything about him was so threatening and powerful. I honestly believed he could have done everything he did in the movie. Honestly and this could be my love for the character talking, it was probably one of the best villain performances I can remember out of any genre of movie, but it will probably go down as one of the most under-rated performance cause like I said the most people will probably continue to love the Joker more. I even enjoyed the big reveal at the end
Spoiler:. Even though that plot concept wasn't need and though he didn't say a word through the whole thing I really felt for him as a character at that point and it was solely based off of how he acted in that scene. That shows me just how good of a character Bane was and how good of an actor Tom Hardy was.
Talia is talking about her and Bane's history
Spoiler:
And for Talia. She did a good job and definitely the scene with her sticking a knife into Batman was really really well done. While she doesn't get much time in the villain spotlight once it is revealed who she is it makes you retroactively think about her character and appreciate her villainous a little more
Now for most of the other character's like Alfred, Fox, Gordon and how they did in this movie. I think you'll probably have the same feelings towards them you did in the other movies. Even if they are conveying wholly different scenes the interactions and performances pretty much stay the same.
I actually liked the newer introduced characters as well. With Catwoman I thought the actress put in a fairly fun and interesting performance for the character.
Spoiler:.
I actually really liked the Robin arc in this movie. It just made more sense to me in terms of how it was handled especially in the Nolan-verse
As for the ending I enjoyed it, I think some people were expecting a different kind of conclusion but I liked the ending we got for all the characters with the exception of one. I honestly felt Bane's final scene was down right just disappointing. After delivering such a great performance throughout the movie they gave him one of the most uninteresting and just.. quick endings.
Spoiler:
Seriously getting shot by an off-screen Catwoman Bane deserved much better than that imo. Honestly if that was how he was going down I would have rather him died during the Talia reveal scene than get what amounts to a thug lackey ending only a few moments later. Also I didn't like the idea of Bane becoming Villain number 2 behind Talia but over all it didn't ruin the character for me because he still could have easily been the main person orchestrating everything like that Talia was the crowned ruler figure head concept while Bane could have easily been the muscle and brains behind everything. Except his ending scene kind of burns some of that way.
So that's my opinion on TDKR. Good characters for the most part, good story for the most part, didn't quite hit the epic feeling I think it was going for, but it's enjoyable and simply worth because it's the last in this trilogy and the Bane performance which was top notch to me. So it's a lot like TDK because imo people will mostly watch those movies for the villains cause they were so well done.
I would really like for someone to explain why they enjoyed Catwoman's role.
I thought she was an annoying and an entitled brat.
"waaaah the world is harsh and I've had to fight for everything waaaah you rich people get evrything and one day you're going to pay waaah just like the rest of us"
Give me a break. She's a super hot, super intelligent mega-babe who regularly seduces millionaires and has a plethora of amazing talents (she can perform martial arts in high-heels FFS). There is literally no reason why she'd have to live the life she chose to live.
Im really surprised by all the catwomen love actually. Wasn't bad but I preferred the personality of Michelle Pfeiffer's catwomen. Ann Hathaway did a great job acting the part she was given though!
I told someone that once and they said they didn't see the difference between Ann Hathaways performance and The character of catwomen. I had to point out that I thought Ann really nailed the part she was given but I thought that while catwomen was good she was lacking the "lusting-badass"(a lack of better words) attitude. I was also sad to see no whip but thats just picking at hairs I guess.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._Yeah I do agree she came off as whiny at times, but overall it was made clear she couldn't fully live that life style happily because she had such a vast criminal record that she got early on and couldn't shake and she wanted to live a better life than that of a criminal. At least that's what I took from it.
I would really like for someone to explain why they enjoyed Catwoman's role.I thought she was an annoying and an entitled brat.
"waaaah the world is harsh and I've had to fight for everything waaaah you rich people get evrything and one day you're going to pay waaah just like the rest of us"
Give me a break. She's a super hot, super intelligent mega-babe who regularly seduces millionaires and has a plethora of amazing talents (she can perform martial arts in high-heels FFS). There is literally no reason why she'd have to live the life she chose to live.
Originally posted by BlackZero30xI agree I don't know if Ann is the best Catwoman but what she was told to do she did well.
Im really surprised by all the catwomen love actually. Wasn't bad but I preferred the personality of Michelle Pfeiffer's catwomen. Ann Hathaway did a great job acting the part she was given though!I told someone that once and they said they didn't see the difference between Ann Hathaways performance and The character of catwomen. I had to point out that I thought Ann really nailed the part she was given but I thought that while catwomen was good she was lacking the "lusting-badass"(a lack of better words) attitude. I was also sad to see no whip but thats just picking at hairs I guess.
And I was really worried going in that she would be such a shoe in character in the story that it would take away, but she wasn't.
The part was acted well like you said, and enjoyed the plot points she added to the story.