The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by Newjak

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I thought the samething. He shoots the front of the truck than the guy is dead.

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Right? Is that really how it happened it? At first I was like, ah something else probably killed him, but on my second viewing, I was like: OH SHI-! Unless someone else got a better look, I'm almost positve though. Frankly, I'm cool with it, when I brought it up amongst my friends, they basically had the whole movie ruined cuz of me, haha. I do think Batman should be allowed to let bad guys die if it's to stop the greater good and all that. That no-killing rule irks me in the comics. In some moments, he has the option of not killing, but sometimes there isn't and he still hesitates.

Originally posted by Scythe

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Right? Is that really how it happened it? At first I was like, ah something else probably killed him, but on my second viewing, I was like: OH SHI-! Unless someone else got a better look, I'm almost positve though. Frankly, I'm cool with it, when I brought it up amongst my friends, they basically had the whole movie ruined cuz of me, haha. I do think Batman should be allowed to let bad guys die if it's to stop the greater good and all that. That no-killing rule irks me in the comics. In some moments, he has the option of not killing, but sometimes there isn't and he still hesitates.

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Meh I can understand having to do something for the greater good. It was just so off compared to the entire tone of all the Batman films. That no matter the situation Batman will never break his one rule: He won't kill people. It makes the whole Joker arc almost useless because it was supposed to be showing that Batman can always win without having to kill people. They even established it earlier in TDKR when he and Selina are fighting that group of armed thugs and he says no guns no killing.

So I can understand why it would upset some people. I guess the situation called for Batman to be desperate and he probably wasn't trying to kill the guy only stop the truck. But by that point I didn't care. Once Bane died in the stupidest way I just wanted the situation to be over and see the resolution to everything.

Originally posted by Newjak

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Meh I can understand having to do something for the greater good. It was just so off compared to the entire tone of all the Batman films. That no matter the situation Batman will never break his one rule: He won't kill people. It makes the whole Joker arc almost useless because it was supposed to be showing that Batman can always win without having to kill people. They even established it earlier in TDKR when he and Selina are fighting that group of armed thugs and he says no guns no killing.

So I can understand why it would upset some people. I guess the situation called for Batman to be desperate and he probably wasn't trying to kill the guy only stop the truck. But by that point I didn't care. Once Bane died in the stupidest way I just wanted the situation to be over and see the resolution to everything.

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Oh, yeah. Most def threw the whole no guns no killing thing out the window, I honestly gathered that he was aiming at Talia and the guy driving to stop. Right about that point, I was like: Shit, Batman's not f*ckin' around anymore. Though going back to the BB, how he let Ras die to begin with, showed me what kinda shit he was gonna be doing throughout the trilogy. I think if he would've saved Ras, and took his ass to Arkham or wherever, the shock of just shootin' up the front of that truck would've keeled me over. I would've been shitting my pants, but I honestly expected another of his: "Oh, look. You diedededed cuz you were in the way, laugh my ass off, I'm Batman." Was one of the film's flaws, though I still thoroughly enjoyed it even though the Bane kill was a load of garbage to me.

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Well the Bat was designed as an "urban pacification platform" so I don't think it was intended to actually kill. Anyway, when Batman was shooting at the truck he wasn't trying to kill them, rather he was trying to make them turn so they would be driving toward the generator. The guys death was basically an accident. Still I thought it was a rather bad move on Nolan's part.

And yeah, Bane's death sucked.

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I have no problem with Batman killing them. I don't think he was actively trying to kill them, but he had to stop them. The situation was too extreme and out of this world if you ask me.

Well I guessI can explain my main complaints about the movie even though everyone already said all of the good stuff.

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The Talia twist made Bane go from an uber villain to just another lackey on top of both Talia and Bane's lame deaths. Then there was the auto-pilot issue for the Bat that doesn't make sense not only because I couldn't pin-point the time Bruce had to fix it but also because the auto-pilot couldn't have saved Batmen from a friggin nuke.

There was also Catwoman who kind of bored me and made the end fight between Batman and Bane lamer than lame. Also could anyone explain how Robin was able to find out Bruce was Batman waaay before Gordon? There was also the issue of how the Bat wasn't found by some common mook despite the months Bruce was incapacitated ontop of it's rather poor hiding place.

Along with that you also have the issue of Batman being in perfect condition to climb out of the pit despite not having proper nourishment and still suffering from the leg problem: which should've been more of a problem because he didn't have his brace to support it.

Yeah those are my primary complaints and it's sad to say that this was the worst out of the 3 even though Bane was friggin awesome: the cartoonish old-man voice added to it IMO.

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i really hate how bane died.. and after all that hoopla, he was working for talia.. but, i read in an article somewhere (i think its here somewhere.. http://www.totalfilm.com/features/the-dark-knight-rises-50-best-moments-1) that nolan intentionally gave both villains anti-clamactic deaths.. there's some underlying reason in the article, just read it.. if you ask me, bane's death still sucked balls..

as for the driver,

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batman was desperately trying to make the truck turn.. the truck was intact even after an explosive was launched at it, so i'm pretty sure that a ricochet or a stray bullet killed the driver.. it was not batman's intention to kill him.. batman did not shoot at the driver..

and i understand that the

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knee issue is kinda big for some, but i'll take the "i'm the goddamn batman!" excuse for it.. actually, i'll take that as an excuse for every plot-hole in this movie, because let's face it.. he IS the goddamn batman.. no cartilage in knee, jumps out of the pit.. no passport or money, gets back to the US no problem.. bomb's about to go off, pours gasoline on the side of a structure so it burns in a shape of a bat.. parks the bat in plain sight, nobody does anything to it.. defeats bane for no "apparent" reason.. build up strength and recovers from a spine injury in the pit.. he's the f*cking batman, that's why.. get over it..

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On the subject of the Bat the last time we see it before he takes Lucius to it is when he parks it in the Batcave. It's likely that it was there the whole time and he used the Bat to get back into Gotham. After all, Wayne Manor does not appear to be on the island which the majority of Gotham is situated on.

Came back from watching this again.

Still really good, and Bane's voice didn't bother any this time around.

I think the first time it got me because it wasn't what I was expecting it to sound like in my head.

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Another issue I had was with Blake. How did he know who Batman was? His conversation with Bruce in Wayne Manor had me shaking my head. Not buying it at all.

Originally posted by super pr*xy

as for the driver,

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batman was desperately trying to make the truck turn.. the truck was intact even after an explosive was launched at it, so i'm pretty sure that a ricochet or a stray bullet killed the driver.. it was not batman's intention to kill him.. batman did not shoot at the driver..

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That was my understanding of it. I mean, he still aimed at the front of truck, but my main point was comic Batman would've gotten out of The Bat and literally sprint toward the driver with insurance info in hand screamin' shit like: OH MY GAWD, ARE YOU OKAY?! I KILLED A GUY, FMFL, PIECE OF CRAAAAA-" Balesbat seemed more of like: "Ahem. *raspy voice* Shit happens...

Originally posted by ares834

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On the subject of the Bat the last time we see it before he takes Lucius to it is when he parks it in the Batcave. It's likely that it was there the whole time and he used the Bat to get back into Gotham. After all, Wayne Manor does not appear to be on the island which the majority of Gotham is situated on.

This.

Well since spoiler tags are being spammed now,

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How do you know Bane actually died? It's still kinda unclear to me if he really did. Given his durability, he could've just been knocked out after Selina attacked him with the Batpod

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
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How do you know Bane actually died? It's still kinda unclear to me if he really did. Given his durability, he could've just been knocked out after Selina attacked him with the Batpod

, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part.

Probably, but it could maybe be possible, though I realize how unlikely it is. 😛

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Probably, but it could be possible, though I realize how unlikely it is. 😛

and

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Bane took those guns to the chest and was only knocked out. Well than he is in the wrong movie and needs to go fight with the Avengers cause he is being way underutilized 😛

Finally saw it last night, so now I can come in here and discuss.

Very big and exciting, and Anne Hathaway may have been the best surprise; we have Selina Kyle as she is represented in the comics at last. I recognize story points from The Dark Knight Returns, No Man's Land, The Cult, sprinkled in here to compliment the classic Bane arc.

And yet...of the three films, it feels like Number 3 to me. More intellectually satisfying than emotional.

I won't get into the whole raging debate of Bruce's retirement, how long it's lasted and how he's been moping around the house in depression. I accept that for the Dent bill to have stuck - to keep the huge number of criminals in jail - he had to stop; perhaps not right away, but he came to believe he did. I take the opposite view that he had to keep going to stop the crazies like Joker that were rising up to challenge him; they took the direction that was seen in publications like The Dark Knight Returns, that perhaps the crazies come up because he is there, escalating things. So that's another reason.

However, [Spoilers ahead]

(1) Anyone think it was strange that Alfred would abandon him like that, in a bid to get him to not come back as Batman? It means he's missing from the end of the first act to the closing scenes.

(2) How much dialogue did people not make out because of Bane's mask, or because of the overwhelming music? I wonder if people got the reasons why Bane wears the mask, who gave it to him and what kind of gas he is inhaling.

(3) Everything is built to be this huge collision of wills between Bane & Batman - only for one climatic twist too many, as Miranda Tate is in fact Talia Al Ghul (as was earlier speculated) and is the true mastermind of it all, with Bane really being just an enforcer. Feels like he & the whole showdown between him & Batman got cheapened as a result. Then he goes out in an unexpected way, like that...

It's pretty great, but not the bullseye The Dark Knight was, or Avengers this year. I came out of that one in May on fire with energy; this one, I shrugged and left the theatre.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
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How do you know Bane actually died? It's still kinda unclear to me if he really did. Given his durability, he could've just been knocked out after Selina attacked him with the Batpod

, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part.

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because batman said that there was enough fire power in the batpod to punch a hole in the debris so catwoman can start escorting people out of said hole.. i'm surprised it didn't cut bane in half.. maybe she used a different gun.. meh..

Found this.

I agree with many of the points.

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General Problems
1. Pacing of the story was horrible. It felt like watching a 3-hour long trailer where dialogue is delivered at a snap pace and given no time to sink in.
2. Despite this fast pace to get all this story crammed in there are at least a good 5-10 minutes of time wasted showing Batman on top of a building overlooking the city.
3. Even the Batman/Selina kiss at the end felt "loveless" and thrown in "just because"
4. I believe studio script writers who had to review the film were too scared to tell Christopher Nolan he has to "show" rather than "tell". The film contained far too much junk that just simply tells us what is going on rather than let us actually experience. We are told the villains motivations are to build up hope of the people then bring it crashing down yet we never see this occur. We are told how fast, brutal, and ferocious Bane is yet the fight scene choreography was rather slow and dull. One last example comes in the clues that Bruce is still alive then we see Bruce in the cafe, the shot of him in the cafe went far too long and should have only had Alfred get a passing glimpse of Bruce and the result would have been more ambiguous and more Christopher Nolan.
5. Both villain deaths were pathetic and anti-climactic. Bane was blown to smithereens by Catwoman and Miranda/Talia is killed in a car crash. Batman doesn't actually/directly defeat either villain in the film. Hell, technically Batman just sets the jet to auto-pilot and The Bat vehicle takes care of the bomb. Maybe Bruce should have retired earlier and let Robin do all the work because he was a bum throughout most of the film. By far the most un-heroic hero of all superhero movies of late.
6. The explanation for the villains motivations is to build up the hope of the people and then crush it. They take over the city and make the place hell for months. By this time bpeople would have lost all hope with the way things were in the city. This bomb should have been detonated within a week of activation. At around this time people would begin to lose any hope.
7. The count-down for the bomb was 5 months. The exact time Batman needed to recover and get back to Gotham. This plot is from a "visionary" director.
8. A device that can completely erase someone's identity is a ridiculous concept like unobtanium from Avatar. No way the device works considering the size of the file that Blake shows to Selina at the airport. Can't erase a paper file too.
9. The dialog in the script is overly dramatic and filled with far too much exposition. Nobody talks like that in real life and for a movie grounded in realism the amount of exposition took me out of the narrative in several scenes.
10. For a movie grounded in realism (remember all the bruises from the first film) we see Batman shrug off an awful lot of punishment in this film. First the no cartilage in the knee, the ass beating/broken back from Bane, a stab to the gut from Talia. Batman shrugs all of this off and doesn't lose a single step. As a matter of fact, the more punishment he receives it appears the stronger he gets through the film.
11. Too much repetition in the script. Did we really need to hear JGL called a hot-head so many times? Did we really need to see the wheels on the Bat Pod flip 15 times? Did we really need to be constantly reminded that Bane was LOS about 80 times by every character in the film practically?
12. The movie should have been titled Bruce Wayne Rises because Batman only has a very few scenes in the actual movie. As a matter of fact, a few of the minor characters probably share just as much screen time as the caped crusader.
13. Several scenes involving the dark knight and the thick black makeup he wears around his eyes are noticeable. Particularly one scene where he is in the bat suit with the helmet off and no makeup is present or when he is captured by Bane who besides stripping him of his equipment felt the need to wash his face for him as well. We see this makeup present in almost every close-up face shot of Batman.
14. The change in shooting location from Chicago to Pittsburgh/New York made a very large difference in the feel of Gotham. In Batman Begins and TDK Gotham felt very dark and crime ridden as well as smaller. The scene change to New York/Pitt made it almost seem that Gotham was an entirely different city from the previous two films.
15. The reveal of Bane/Talia underscores Banes entire character reducing him almost to henchman status and Talia gives us absolutely nothing to fear or show us that she is an evil bad guy since she dies five minutes later.
16. Despite the prison being constantly told how much of a hell hole it was when Batman was trapped in it the prison seemed fairly relaxed. You didn't see anyone trying to make a crippled Bruce Wayne their *****, they had a prisoner with some medical training helping to take care of Bruce, they even had TV in the prison. Christopher Nolan should have consulted with the makers of Prison Break if he wanted to make a prison a hell hole because they did a better job of that in the season 3 Panama Prison.
Plot Holes/Bad and Lazy Writing/Goofs and Nitpickings
17. The CIA allows three unidentified and hooded people who were captured onto their plane that is transporting a scientist at the beginning of the film because they supposedly have knowledge of the masked man named Bane and his group. They allow this without checking who these hooded people are. It was no surprise to anyone to find out one of these people was, in fact, Bane himself.
18. A CIA plane transporting an important scientist they have captured seemingly has no radar support to realize another plan is hovering directly above them.
19. Without doing any hard math on it. There is no way that the plane hijacking in the beginning was even remotely possible/believable. Everything from the plane that continues to fly needed some tremendous power/stability to stay in the air despite pulling another plane to the strength of the cables and joints holding the cables in being strong enough to the way the plane drags through the air (perpendicular to the ground) all defied logic and physics.
20. Bane seems to have A LOT of suicidal followers throughout the film. It can be explained away as them being League of Shadows members. The only problem with this is The League of Shadows took a huge hit to their ranks in the first film. Even assuming that after Raz's death Talia took over and rebuilt their army was far too large and filled with far too many suicidal members.
21. One of Banes suicidal followers is given a blood transfusion from a doctor on a plane Bane is trying to kidnap to fake this guys death. This wouldn't fool any forensics team into ID-ing the dead body from a plane crash.
22. Gordon gets captured and taken to Bane and he escaped by jumping into flowing water in the sewer. The prisoner exclaims there is no way to know which water way he will wash up through and end up at. However, Officer Blake who has no idea he even jumped into the water seemingly acts on a hunch and knows exactly where to find Gordon.
23. After Gordon is at the hospital he is adamant about searching the sewers to hunt down Bane exclaiming there is an army in the sewers. The problem with this is he was mostly unconscious until he reached Bane in the sewers. All he saw was a couple guys and a masked man, hardly Bane and an Army in the sewers.
24. Also, how does someone like Commissioner Gordon even know who Bane is? He seems as he is portrayed as a terrorist probably in the Africa/Asia/Middle East areas. Not someone who a half-unconscious police commissioner would know.
25. While researching Cat woman Christian Bale comes across a news paper article that incorrectly spells the word heist as "hiest" this is a spelling mistake that a visionary writer/director shouldn't have trouble with.
26. Due to issues with his body, Wayne gets "robo-legs" that look like a simple knee brace and then proceeds to smash a brick out of a wall with a kick. His foot however remains unharmed.
27. Wayne and Alfred have a scene together where he doesn't want him to go after Bane because of his skill and ability. He mentions Bane and The League of Shadows. How does he or Batman know that Bane is a member of The League of Shadows at this point? It didn't even seem like the CIA knew about The League of Shadows or that Bane was a member at the beginning of the film.
28. During this scene he also tells us Bane was born in a pit prison and was the only one who ever escaped. We later know that this is false information. This dialogue was redundant to the story because we have these facts drilled to use multiple times throughout the film. It still doesn't change the fact, where does Alfred get his information from and how does he seem to know so much about this? This point and the previous point completely undercut the reveal during the fight scene with Bane in the sewer. So much for "visionary" director. He completely negates the drama of the reveal thanks to excess useless exposition. Did he just graduate from film school?
29. They need a few minutes to hack the stock exchange in the Wall Street scene. They decide to take hostages, get on some dirt bikes and go on a chase through the city. Somehow Bane managed to smuggle several dirt bikes into the lobby of this Wall Street place all by himself. The other terrorists it is shown had already been present inside the building, where did they stash the dirt bikes and how did they get them? Magic!

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30. Speaking of the Stock Exchange scene. The stock exchange closes at what, 4pm, 5pm? They apparently need only a few minutes to hack into the stock exchange. When they enter it is day time and a lot of trading is going on. When they decide they need to get out of there because the fiber and satellite is being cut (still day time as the officer is giving the order) they get on their magical dirt bikes it is suddenly pitch black way past sundown at night, perfect for Batman to navigate all the shadows and hide the bat plane in the alley! Keep in mind, this is supposed to be a summer/early fall scene. The sun wouldn't set until eight o'clock at least.
31. After the Wall Street scene all of the cops begin chasing Batman and letting the terrorists go. This wouldn't be the case and makes the police "dumb" just so Bane can escape. They showed close to a hundred cop cars filling the streets coming from both sides to trap him in. It is ridiculous to believe that they couldn't spare 2-3 to track down the other terrorists.
32. After Bruce/Miranda sleep together he runs his hand over the league of shadows mark on her. He seemingly forgets the fact that it appeared he noticed it until she betrays him at the very end of the film.
33. How does Miranda and Bane know that Bruce and Batman are the same person? I guess you could say that Raz decided to randomly tell his daughter about Bruce/Batman but what point would that have served? In Batman Begins we can assume that Talia disowned her father before he trains Batman and doesn't have much contact with her. That's why he tells Bruce that his wife and daughter were taken from him. So then Bruce is in Gotham trying to save it when Raz drops in to crash his party. At what point did he feel the need to tell his daughter about Bruce/Batman? Did he expect to fail, something that would have been wildly out of place for his character?
34. During the fight scene with Bane he uses some crappy firework crap on Bane and then turns out the lights. Later in the movie he uses a mini batarang laced with some sort of knockout agent. Why didn't he use something on his belt a little more powerful during the fight scene with Bane like that? If he has more powerful objects on his utility bet why not try and use them?
35. Also during this fight scene, Bane gives lines that is misdirection to lead the audience to think Bane is the child born in the pit despite the fact that he isn't He has no reason to lie to Batman at this point regardless he says to Batman after Batman makes the lights go out, "I didn't see the sunlight until I was a man." We know this isn't true because he wasn't born in the pit prison. Talia was born in the pit prison. It almost makes it feel like they got halfway through filming before deciding that Marion Cotillard was going to be a bad guy in a sudden twist ending.
36. Where did Bane/Talia get the knowledge regarding the secret R&D facility that Lucius ran? We see a scene of Lucius taking Talia to the reactor at one point in the film so it is plausible that they knew where to find the reactor but the knowledge of the secret applied sciences division and all the weaponry it contains is something that seems like Talia and Bane "magically" knew.
37. Gotham sending in 90%+ of the police force down into the sewers leaving the city unprotected.
38. Commissioner Gordon near death in a hospital bed can barely get out of bed manages to ambush not one but two members of the League of Shadows, killing them both, with little effort. From this point on in the film he suffers no effects from his injuries.
39. Gotham is a major city, some other major cities... Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York, San Francisco, Seattle, Dallas. All these teams regularly sell out their seats. The only possible explanation is the football game was a pre-season game but I doubt Hines Ward would be charged with a kick-off return in a pre-season game.
40. The doctor weaponizing the reactor was only a theory he had suggest. He had never actually worked with reactor itself. Despite this it took him less than 30-seconds to weaponize the reactor.
41. The doctor who turned the reactor into a bomb is implied to be the only person to stop it and really know how it's going to work. He tells Bane, in the presence of Lucius Fox and Miranda, that the bomb could decay over time and be non-operational. Despite this Fox and Miranda later in the film magically know that the bomb is going to decay and explode without studying the bomb which is kept on transports and constantly on the move.
42. The cops of Gotham are stuck underground in the sewers for months. The city engineers really need to rethink their city design after this and add more manholes to Gotham.
43. Bane suddenly gets a hold of the letter regarding Dent that Gordon had been holding onto to reveal the truth about what happened the last night before Batman disappeared. This wasn't something that was handed to Bane when Gordon's pockets were being searched and up to this point that had been the only time Bane and Gordon actually met. How did Bane get this letter?
44. Batman is stuck in a prison located at the bottom of a deep well in the middle east yet they seem to get better reception than some people in the United States.
45. Speaking of prison amenities. The only apparent way in or out is to be lowered by ropes. How are basic needs of something like prisoners handled in a prison such as this? It would seem like a hell of a lot of work for them to once a day constantly lowering down buckets of food and water then hauling up buckets of human waste. It would just be better to have an actual above ground prison at that point.
46. Also, this prison was unguarded. It had a lot of prisoners. In this entire time Bruce is down there not one other prisoner has someone on the outside who wants to rescue them and just throws a rope down the well for all prisoners to escape? This rope is sitting right on the edge of said prison too because after Bruce makes it out he throws it down for everyone else to climb out! The prison is about as dumb and idiotic as a prison in space.
47. Bruce Wayne could barely walk without his robo-legs in the beginning of the movie from cartilage wearing out. This isn't something that heals all by itself. After he is stripped of his gear and thrown into the prison he seemingly has no troubles walking after a couple months of recovery. We are shown his robo-legs were taken when he is doing the exercises in shorts later in the prison scenes.
48. A Karate Chop to the back will not fix a broken back/protruding vertebrae/bulging disc
49. Several attempts to leave the pit result in Bruce Wayne falling a significant distance with a rope tied around him so he doesn't fall to his death. When the rope reaches its maximum length on the way down and snaps him to a stop before the ground it would cause significant internal damage and/or broken ribs.
50. Speaking of which, even if the child who escapes the prison had the fear of death when making this jump, it took Bruce Wayne, someone who is incredibly fit and athletic, all his strength/ability to make a jump. This isn't something we should see a child around the age of 10-12 being able to do. Do you really think a child at that age can compete in a competition like the long jump in the Olympics? It was too farfetched that this child could make this jump regardless of the motivation.
51. Also, his final attempt to leap out of the prison a swarm of bats apparently fly out of a hole somewhere right behind the ledge Bruce Wayne is standing on. This whole doesn't exist in any of the shots they show of the pit and is an impossible event added simply for dramatics.
52. Batman escapes from a prison in the middle east. His estate had been totally wiped out in a previous point in the film and his car is even repossessed yet somehow he makes it from the middle east back to America without any ID or money within a few days despite most of his contacts stuck in Gotham under siege.
53. All bridges except one into the city were destroyed and it is the middle of winter yet somehow Bruce Wayne is able to slip back into Gotham seemingly undetected.
54. As seen earlier in the film, gas is scarce and some of it is siphoned by Blake for a bus in case they need to escape the city. Despite this, three trucks have been driving around the city for months, one of which carrying the bomb, and they don't need to worry about the supply of gas to a city that has had every entrance cut off except one.
55. Shortly after slipping back into the city Bruce knows exactly where to find Selina Kyle and is waiting for her on the street.
56. Batman's blind trust for a woman who stole his mothers pearls, stole his car, tricked him into a trap that resulted in his back broken, ending up in a prison in the middle east, and almost killed.
57. The police are given the knowledge that the bomb will decay and explode on its own eventually. They are given this information courtesy of Miranda/Talia and Lucius Fox. This is in direct opposition to Miranda/Talia's goals and results in the ultimate failure of those goals. The only possible way they could have gotten this information is directly from Miranda/Talia since she would have been the only one to have access to the bomb to study it but regardless, both she and Lucius shouldn't have had the knowledge to determine that this would happen.

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58. After Gordon is exiled to death along with other police officers and Miranda is held aside Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham and enlists the help of Catwoman. Bruce allows himself to be captured and then Catwoman and Batman overpower the guards guarding Miranda and Lucius. Then Batman goes and gets some stuff from a secret facility him and Lucius have setup and he saves Gordon who THEN exclaims that Bane has Miranda. Why didn't Miranda also escape and go into hiding when her and Lucius should have been rescued?
59. Gordon and a few other people exiled to death to walk across the river but Batman wearing a 50 lb bat suit has no problem walking on the ice.
60. Despite the fact this bomb is a weaponized fusion bomb, it is tracked via radiation sensors. A fusion reactor wouldn't give off anything more than background levels of radiation. (http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor.htm)
61. Batman trying to save a city from a nuclear device and his friends from imminent death has time to scale a bridge and paint the symbol of a bat with some sort of flammable material to announce he is back in town for everyone to see.
62. Oh, and while he was so busy drawing that symbol he got John Blake's partner as well as a few other officers killed by Christopher Judge and almost got John executed himself.
63. Knowing Batman was back in town and Miranda/Talia wanted to see Batman fail and suffer, why didn't she set off the nuke the moment he lights up the big giant bat symbol on the bridge? The whole city would have seen the bat symbol and it would have been the greatest point in months of their hopeful release, it would have been the highest point for Batman's hope since he got out of the pit. This should have been the point that Talia/Bane set off the bomb the absolute highest point of everyone's hope was at this moment ready for them to crush.
64. Convicts armed with assault rifles decide to charge head first into groups of policeman with only pistols and billy clubs. A lot more cops should have been killed on the initial charge.
65. Oh yeah, and despite these cops being trapped down in the sewers for months, they were surprisingly clean shaven. Like Batman they must have had a lot of time between their escape and their next move and stopped at home to freshen up before the final battle.
66. Also about the cops, after spending several months in the sewer not seeing their families or really having the chance/nutrients to keep physically fit they are more than ready to go charging head first into the convicts who are armed better than they are.
67. Another thing about the cops. Bane and his crew were hunting down cops on the surface like dogs. We are given this information several times. If their goal is to hunt down and eradicate the cops and exile them to death to walk across the ice then why the hell or they feeding and giving the cops down in the sewers supplies for MONTHS!?!
68. What was the point of the second fight scene between Batman and Bane? To find the trigger? ?? Why not just have Batman be the one to put the transmitter on the transport with the nuke, then take care of the nuke? Why did he need to go fight Bane in hand-to-hand combat? Batman's actions are nonsensical at this point in the film. Lets fly the Bat Plane to destroy the Tumblers so the police can charge Braveheart style into the prisoners with machine guns while we park the Bat Plane and go fight Bane on the steps of city hall in hand-to-hand combat scene that doesn't matter because we need to get back to the Bat Plane and chase down the bomb anyways?

I did NOT write that and I agree with many of the points...but I disagree with many, as well. Source expired.