The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by super pr*xy
i read up to number 16.. then i decided that this shit was ruining my high.. i go to the movies not to decosntruct them bit by bit, like what the writer did above.. i like suspending my disbelief and dumbing myself down, especially if its a superhero movie.. i come to enjoy the movie and stuff my face with overpriced candy and a bucket of popcorn swimming in fake butter..

with that being said, i do agree on how the movie handled bane and talia.. after that, i don't really care.. TDKR is the biz..

damn straight

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But in this day & age of the internet & fan base message boards, can a director really afford to treat the audience as dummies?

All that millions of dollars spent on the movie, all the months of script writing, actors going through their dialogue & motions & THEN it's left to the audience afterwards to nit-pick the obvious plot holes & ridiculous scenarios?

yes but you might do that but others don;t

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

yes but you might do that but others don;t

Some times you gotta question whether the director is an idiot OR whether he thinks the audience is...?

There's a bloody big difference to investing $300 million plus into a director's "vision" compared to a $18 movie ticket.

Nah not idiots. I think some people realize that they are supposed to suspend their disbelief when watching a movie.

I totally understand a suspension of belief...hell I've been reading comics for over 20 years now.

Suffice to say I'm a big Batman fan & I, for one, believe Nolan lost sight of the mythos with TDKR.

It's not a suspense of belief, more of the laziness I saw in this movie. 1 & 2 were great. 3 dragged on when it didn't need too and where it needed to be longer they breeze through it like were suppose to understand what happened.

- The high ranking officer unwilling to go down after Gordon. What is unloyal pussy. Your a hot head! isn't much of a refute point. But hey, they needed to this idiocy to advance the plot.
- Blake figuring out Gordon was going to end up in the waters and where to exactly find him. Finds him exactly at the moment he washed it. lol
- Batman investing time spray paint a giant bat symbol on the bridge. Laughable as I'm trying to imagine him up their spray that bridge with gasoline. Makes Batman look stupid wasting time when men are trapped under Gotham and a nuke counting down.
- The rope part of the climb. You'd think Batman would make a hook and attach it to that rope and use it to cross that jump. Well, Batman needs to be dumb down to allow for the plot to advance. Otherwise he would learn fear. Amiright?

TDKR is a good film with too my lazy moments by the writers/director. Can't suspend the laziness I saw.

Eh, I agree.

Suspension of disbelief can be claimed to defend any plothole or poor writing. There is a point where bad writing is just bad writing, though.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
- The high ranking officer unwilling to go down after Gordon. What is unloyal pussy. Your a hot head! isn't much of a refute point. But hey, they needed to this idiocy to advance the plot.

The guy is a coward... I'm not sure how this is lazy writing.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
- Blake figuring out Gordon was going to end up in the waters and where to exactly find him. Finds him exactly at the moment he washed it. lol

Blake is a cop. He deduced that Jim would wash out at the same place that one older brother did. He was right.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
- Batman investing time spray paint a giant bat symbol on the bridge. Laughable as I'm trying to imagine him up their spray that bridge with gasoline. Makes Batman look stupid wasting time when men are trapped under Gotham and a nuke counting down.
- The rope part of the climb. You'd think Batman would make a hook and attach it to that rope and use it to cross that jump. Well, Batman needs to be dumb down to allow for the plot to advance. Otherwise he would learn fear. Amiright?

The first isn't a big deal to me, but I can see how others wouldn't like it. The second is just PIS... It's in almost every movie ever and certainly can be found in the other two Batman movies.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Some times you gotta question whether the director is an idiot OR whether he thinks the audience is...?

There's a bloody big difference to investing $300 million plus into a director's "vision" compared to a $18 movie ticket.

no I do not have to.. I go see movies because I want to or because someone suggests a film because that person may think I might like it.. just realize your views are not mine or others..

Originally posted by ares834
Nah not idiots. I think some people realize that they are supposed to suspend their disbelief when watching a movie.

great point

you know what's laziness? laziness is

Spoiler:
asking how bane got gordon's letter when the movie clearly shows that gordon was searched.. the letter was inside his coat's breast pocket.. i remember 'cause when the letter was found i said "oh, shit.. the letter!!"

as for bad writing.. go look for '97 batman and robin.. i'm sure you'll find it there..

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But in this day & age of the internet & fan base message boards, can a director really afford to treat the audience as dummies?

All that millions of dollars spent on the movie, all the months of script writing, actors going through their dialogue & motions & THEN it's left to the audience afterwards to nit-pick the obvious plot holes & ridiculous scenarios?

i don't do that.. i don't over-think these kind of movies.. plus, every movie has a plot-hole of some sort.. if i go to the movies, sit there and make notes of plot-holes and shit, i have just wasted my $18.. i'd rather stay home and masturbate..

18 bucks? Dayum.

I think this was a great, epic movie and I loved Bane.

I agree that they could do more with Talia at the end, her death was anticlimatic.

I apologize if people already brought this up (new to this thread) but HOW THE HELL DOES BRUCE GET BACK TO GOTHAM? He is in the middle of nowhere, is broke, has no identification whatsoever on him, and yet he somehow gets back in the span of a few days...

I feel sorry for the person who wrote that list of 60+ reasons of why he didn't like TDKR.

Shame.

How can people who do that actually get themselves to enjoy anything?

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
I apologize if people already brought this up (new to this thread) but HOW THE HELL DOES BRUCE GET BACK TO GOTHAM? He is in the middle of nowhere, is broke, has no identification whatsoever on him, and yet he somehow gets back in the span of a few days...

He, presumably, does that in Batman Begins.

Originally posted by ares834
He, presumably, does that in Batman Begins.

Alfred picks him up via private jet in whichever Terroristan country he was in. He even comments on Bruce's local attire.

Nah, I'm talking before that when he is running around Asia and he is labeled dead.

Gonna beast out a marathon of Begins, The Dark Knight, and probably see Rises soon. Just for shits and giggles..

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Gonna beast out a marathon of Begins, The Dark Knight, and probably see Rises soon. Just for shits and giggles..

I haven't seen Rises yet, brah. But, hmm... hmm