For a forum that entirely revolves around your favorite superheroes fighting each other, the amount of casual haterade that an Avengers Vs. X-Men event got here is just baffling. Sinestro Corps War was exciting sure, but that sh1t isn't Shakespeare.
People are annoyed Wolverine fought with the Avengers or something? How does that make less sense than Superboy Prime joining forces with the Anti-Monitor that destroyed his entire universe? I mean, seriously?
Originally posted by ODG
For a forum that entirely revolves around your favorite superheroes fighting each other, the amount of casual haterade that an Avengers Vs. X-Men event got here is just baffling. Sinestro Corps War was exciting sure, but that sh1t isn't Shakespeare.People are annoyed Wolverine fought with the Avengers or something? How does that make less sense than Superboy Prime joining forces with the Anti-Monitor that destroyed his entire universe? I mean, seriously?
as i said in another thread, i just finished reading the entire arc (prior to, i'd only followed it casually) and i DID enjoy it--a lot. i kept looking around and trying to find what was so objectionable about it, but..... shrug
it is a bit baffling.
Originally posted by ODG
For a forum that entirely revolves around your favorite superheroes fighting each other, the amount of casual haterade that an Avengers Vs. X-Men event got here is just baffling. Sinestro Corps War was exciting sure, but that sh1t isn't Shakespeare.People are annoyed Wolverine fought with the Avengers or something? How does that make less sense than Superboy Prime joining forces with the Anti-Monitor that destroyed his entire universe? I mean, seriously?
Sinestro Corps didn't abuse people's favourite characters.
Unless you're a fan of say, Anti-Monitor or something.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sinestro Corps didn't abuse people's favourite characters.Unless you're a fan of say, Anti-Monitor or something.
Or that guy whose second arm got ripped off by Prime, or Sodam Yat.
I refuse to believe those have fans though (I know, this coming from a guy who thinks Ursa Major is pretty awesome sounds ridiculous...)
Originally posted by leonidas
not sure if you're a hal fan or not, or how big, but did you feel they abused him when he went evil?
I am a Hal fan, though only started reading him in the 00s, so wasn't reading when he went crazy and started wiping people out.
As far as the actual arc goes, it was decent I thought.
Originally posted by -Pr-"Dispatch, we need a waaaah-mbulance."
Sinestro Corps didn't abuse people's favourite characters.Unless you're a fan of say, Anti-Monitor or something.
Are we just ignoring a character that's been completely and inexplicably abused for shock value going on to shower-room raping most of DC Earth? This is somehow better than a character who's been developing as a revolutionary and heralding the second coming of mutants for years against all odds systematically having his team beat the crap out of Marvel Earth and succeeding in diverting mutant extinction?
I think some perspective has been lost here.
Originally posted by ODG
"Dispatch, we need a waaaah-mbulance."Are we just ignoring a character that's been completely and inexplicably abused for shock value going on to shower-room raping most of DC Earth? This is somehow better than a character who's been developing as a revolutionary and heralding the second coming of mutants for years against all odds systematically having his team beat the crap out of Marvel Earth and succeeding in diverting mutant extinction?
I think some perspective has been lost here.
Yes, yours, if you really think that's what Cyclops is supposed to be about.
I honestly expected better from you.
^ 😂
Are we just ignoring that Cyclops had to deal with the near extinction of mutantdom from House of M and his enemies being emboldened by that to almost the nth degree and trying to complete that extinction? Cyclops being static in the face of that would be a complete insult to the character.
I invite you to explain to me just what Cyclops should have been doing since House of M.
Originally posted by ODG
^ 😂Are we just ignoring that Cyclops had to deal with the near extinction of mutantdom from House of M and his enemies being emboldened by that to almost the nth degree and trying to complete that extinction? Cyclops being static in the face of that would be a complete insult to the character.
I invite you to explain to me just what Cyclops should have been doing since House of M.
Nobody's ignoring anything. Cyclops was doing fine post House of M, actually. He was doing his job, and he was doing it well without the Professor.
There was no grand event that changed Cyclops' mindset. In fact, his mindset was the survival of mutantkind. Which he was accomplishing. What changed his methods and made him Magneto 2.0?
It was a change of writing staff, and some horrible editorial mandate.
So, are you really saying that you consider AvX to be in the same league as Sinestro Corps. Really?
well, from my pov, i see the coming of the phoenix as the catalyst to his change. he may well have been doing fine, but then he was given a gift that he thought would reignite the mutants. i'm not sure what you think was wrong with what he did. he didn't actually WANT to fight the avengers. he simply was not going to let them take hope who he believed would become the phoenix and reignite mutants. and he was right..... i didn't see him as magneto until AFTER the pf took control of him. i'm not sure how else, in character, he was supposed to handle cap's coming to utopia to take hop. shrug
you seem to be alone here all of a sudden, but i'm not asking these questions directly of you per se. there was a LARGE contingent here who seemed to hate avx. at least you stepped up to discuss some of the reasonings, but i'd welcome anyone else's input as readily.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, from my pov, i see the coming of the phoenix as the catalyst to his change. he may well have been doing fine, but then he was given a gift that he thought would reignite the mutants. i'm not sure what you think was wrong with what he did. he didn't actually WANT to fight the avengers. he simply was not going to let them take hope who he believed would become the phoenix and reignite mutants. and he was right..... i didn't see him as magneto until AFTER the pf took control of him. i'm not sure how else, in character, he was supposed to handle cap's coming to utopia to take hop. shrugyou seem to be alone here all of a sudden, but i'm not asking these questions directly of you per se. there was a LARGE contingent here who seemed to hate avx. at least you stepped up to discuss some of the reasonings, but i'd welcome anyone else's input as readily.
Cyclops was growing in to Magneto before AVX started, so I went on a slight tangent there.
I have no problem with him wanting to reignite mutant kind. I have no problem with him telling the Avengers to **** off. What annoyed me was HOW it was written. And then afterwards, in the epilogue where he's actually trying to justify what he did simply because it benefitted mutants? I mean, if he just said "at least there's a silver lining" or something, but no, he's actually acting like everything he did was some sort of grand plan that worked out in the end.
Like I said, it isn't the events as much as how they played out, and how certain people acted that put me off.
I'm almost certain that if you took those comics, whited out the dialogue boxes and wrote your own words, the comics would be far better and make much more sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It was a change of writing staff, and some horrible editorial mandate.
* Marvel should've let Gillen stay writing Cyclops' X-men...
Originally posted by leonidas
well, from my pov, i see the coming of the phoenix as the catalyst to his change. he may well have been doing fine, but then he was given a gift that he thought would reignite the mutants. i'm not sure what you think was wrong with what he did. he didn't actually WANT to fight the avengers. he simply was not going to let them take hope who he believed would become the phoenix and reignite mutants. and he was right.....
* AvX Infinite #6, possessing 1/5 of PF, Scott seems perfectly fine, holding his humanity as he was contemplating on the moon... a very nice issue in my opinion... it's this issue where i think Scott won't be a villain, but hell i was wrong...
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops was growing in to Magneto before AVX started, so I went on a slight tangent there.
* in Fear Itself, Marvel actually made a promo poster of Scott in Magneto's costume... 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
What annoyed me was HOW it was written. And then afterwards, in the epilogue where he's actually trying to justify what he did simply because it benefitted mutants? I mean, if he just said "at least there's a silver lining" or something, but no, he's actually acting like everything he did was some sort of grand plan that worked out in the end.Like I said, it isn't the events as much as how they played out, and how certain people acted that put me off.
I'm almost certain that if you took those comics, whited out the dialogue boxes and wrote your own words, the comics would be far better and make much more sense.
* true... i hate that "the end justifies the means" mentality... but i still think that triumphant DX-sign is super cool! 😎