Gladiator vs Superman

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your questions have nothing to do with the topic. If you can't admit that the Unipower amp fluctuates up and down based on all of its appearances, that's your problem.

The amp varies with the hosts, not with the appearances. It depends on the will of the host how much power the host gets. Therefore an ordinary, untrained human was able to beat the crap out of the Juggernaut since he was pissed at Juggs and wanted revenge because of few things Juggernaut did in the past to that man.
If the host has a strong will, the Unipower will give the host more power.

You claim to know about to Unipower, you claim to know about every of it's appearances and therefore I asked you two simple questions, which you should be able to answer easily, yet you're not able to do so, since you seem to lack the knowledge.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
When did Sue Storm beat Gladiator?

Captain Universe - Invisible Woman #1

Originally posted by Enzeru

Captain Universe - Invisible Woman #1

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think I may have read that. Is that the issue where Kallark couldn't outrun a tidal wave? Don't recall the fight though, you have scans?

Originally posted by Enzeru

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I read that in 2005 when it came out. Kallark needing a boost stood out to me the most I suppose.

If I would be beaten by a woman, my confidence would be totally gone :-X
That's the thing with such characters, who have a weakness which can affect their powerlevel. If they're portrayed as weak, then you know what's the case already. Gladiator has his confidence, Sentry has his agoraphobia. Of course most of the time the "depowerment" is mainly for the plot there and not really to bring more depth into the character.

But who knows, maybe Gladiator was hurt during that instance and wasn't able to reach higher speeds, but I personally am going with the confidence theory, since there is basically no way he should be harmed by Invisible Woman with melee attacks. The strenght amp wouldn't be nearly enough.
Him not being able to harm her ... I can live very well with that, since he already needed few attacks, to overpower her force fields in the past and thanks to the Unipower, she was empowered greatly.

Superman After A Long Fight.....

Superman would probably win, but is it correct to assume that Gladiator is the better fighter? Just asking.

Honestly, Clark is pretty skilled in terms of brawling and the application of his powers. Like others such as Dmills and Pr have stated before, Clark, while no Batman or even Diana in terms of technical prowess in the terms of the martial arts, still is a great combatant when it comes to the application of his powers. Gladiator might be more skilled in terms of pure hand to hand - I'd have to see the feats in question - but in terms of overall powersets? Clark has him beat.

Anyone with any shred of decency and common sense would know that Superman's feats are overall > Gladiator's and not just because "Kal is the original and Kallark is just a clone". On the average, Glads would make Kal work for the win, but Kal would ultimately prevail. If Gladiator pushes Kal in their fight, Kal simply has more to dish out and draw from.

And in a high end feat contest....Superman trounces Gladiator something fierce. It's not DC bias or Gladiator hate/ignorance or anything stupid like that. It's just facts.

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^ Except we can't use stuff before 1986 for superman. Superman has also fought a 1000 year long war in asgard and actually uses pressure points in fights. Nowhere close to surfer's power? If he was in marvel he would also be an alpha plus, stop kidding yourself. Superman also gets stronger when he stresses as he absorbes more sunlight.

Originally posted by America99
Sorry, but you are wrong. Gladiator trained ALL his life as a warrior in the field of combat. Gladiator along with silver surfer, beta ray bill and quasar are all Alpha plus class in power. Superman is nowhere close to being on silver surfer level in power. Gladiators strength increases the more he believes in himself as stated by the writers of the 4 issue annihilatiors series. When it comes to comparing feats, superman has been around for 60 plus years, so you fail for even trying to use that.

So, you can show or point me to these warrior training feats and instances of Glad's being a better fighter then? I can accept Gladiator being > Kal in terms of H2H - I'd like to see the evidence anyway, mind you - but in terms of overall power application? Kal has him beat soundly. Clark is a thinking man's brawler and always has been. In terms of utilizing his powers in inventive ways outside of just pummeling shit - which Superman obviously is exceptional in - Gladiator doesn't match Superman.

Superman was rated as Alpha level according to Maxwell Lord's files. Means nothing really. Superman doesn't match Surfer's versatility or his sheer energy power output, but as a whole when you compare physicality and power sets, only someone seriously misinformed or delusional would think that Superman doesn't stand out as one of the highest high heralds in comics.

Writer statements =/= feats/on panel evidence. Joe Casey stated that during his run on Superman, he felt the character was literally unstoppable if properly motivated and nothing short of Classic Beyonder could have stopped him. That's ridiculous, but he said it, so using the same kind of logic, writer statements overwhelmingly support Superman as a unbeatable force of good and drown out Gladiator's writer backed statements. Further more, this fully confident thing? Unless Glad's confidence is specificially shown, alluded, or otherwise mentioned to be lowered or lessened, he's fully confident. You can't write off his losses as "Oh, Gladiator wasn't confident so he got stalemated by Masterson Thor. And beat the shit out of by Hulk. And a future Gladiator got raped by Thor. But, oooh, boy! If he was fully confident, he'd totally win!"

And lol at Superman's 60 year history - actually much longer than that, btw, but who's counting? - being some kind of unfair advantage. I don't have to use 60 years of Superman history/feats to justify him beating Gladiator. I could use the last decade of Kal's feats to do that.

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Originally posted by America99
He has to sundipp to get stronger and he does not remember about asgard.

Superman's powers, much like the powers of many characters ranging from heralds to meta's to even streets, are directly effected by effort and willpower. The harder he pushes himself, the more his dials "go up to eleven." Gladiator's instance is a more specific example of that, referenced by psionic prowess. Either way, when push comes to shove, Superman does insane shit. The guy practically invented that (among other things).

He also doesn't need to sundip to beat up Gladiator or even sun amp (there's a difference). A Sundipped Superman ala Our Worlds at War would obliterate Gladiator.

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Originally posted by America99
Masterson thor stalemated gladiator?? I think the ground gave before a winner was seen. Hulk beat gladiator?? Hulk?? i have that book. BS the whole fight. Future gladiator got raped by thor?? So thor in human form dodged gladiators heat vision twice..lol.. Gladiator KOED thor in that fight. 60 seconds flying across the sky is getting raped by a fist. not a weapon.

That's what I'd call a stalemate if the fight ended without a clear winner. And Masterson Thor was a n00b. Was Gladiator not fully confident, then? Or just kinda confident?

Hulk beat the shit out of him and before plot device radiation further hampered Gladiator. Guess he wasn't confident then, either.

Gladiator didn't KO Thor. He disarmed Thor from Mjolnir, and after 60 seconds passed, he reverted to Jake Olsen. Furthermore, Gladiator needed to:

A.) Have prep time in order to find Thor and deduce his mortal alter-ego.
B.) Attacked Jake Olsen first.
C.) Took a hostage in the form of Olsen's ex-GF's daughter.
D.) Took advantage of an enchantment which no longer applies to Thor.

And the funny thing is he was totally bloodlusted and still couldn't beat Thor. Once Thor reclaimed Mjolnir and got fed up with Glad's bullshit, he dismantled him with a few shots from his hammer. Future Glads then returns to his timeline and even concedes "Thor is too powerful!". Guess he wasn't confident in his odds of beating Thor, huh? I love how Gladiator supporters use that fight as some kind of evidence of Glads alleged superiority when, really, all that fight shows is that Gladiator needed loads of context in order to get the advantage over Thor, and once Thor was pissed off, got his shit kicked in.

Thor, Hulk, and Superman > Gladiator according to comics.

EDIT: Well, this reply was written for no reason, then. sneer

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, you can show or point me to these warrior training feats and instances of Glad's being a better fighter then?
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Maybe he's talking about the War of Kings Gladiator thing. Not sure if he's been training since he was a wee little baby but his training looks to me like some kinda special ops training.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's what I'd call a stalemate if the fight ended without a clear winner. And Masterson Thor was a n00b. Was Gladiator not fully confident, then? Or just kinda confident?

Hulk beat the shit out of him and before plot device radiation further hampered Gladiator. Guess he wasn't confident then, either.

Gladiator didn't KO Thor. He disarmed Thor from Mjolnir, and after 60 seconds passed, he reverted to Jake Olsen. Furthermore, Gladiator needed to:

A.) Have prep time in order to find Thor and deduce his mortal alter-ego.
B.) Attacked Jake Olsen first.
C.) Took a hostage in the form of Olsen's ex-GF's daughter.
D.) Took advantage of an enchantment which no longer applies to Thor.

And the funny thing is he was totally bloodlusted and still couldn't beat Thor. Once Thor reclaimed Mjolnir and got fed up with Glad's bullshit, he dismantled him with a few shots from his hammer. Future Glads then returns to his timeline and even concedes "Thor is too powerful!". Guess he wasn't confident in his odds of beating Thor, huh? I love how Gladiator supporters use that fight as some kind of evidence of Glads alleged superiority when, really, all that fight shows is that Gladiator needed loads of context in order to get the advantage over Thor, and once Thor was pissed off, got his shit kicked in.

Thor, Hulk, and Superman > Gladiator according to comics.

EDIT: Well, this reply was written for no reason, then. sneer

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