srankmissingnin
VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Digi
Ok, sure, class 2. Still giving Pete around 7x strength, comparable durability, and while we can't quantify speed the same way we can strength, we know for a fact Pete's faster. Scale it down to a more "human" level and it's easier to see the disparity. Someone who can move maybe 1.5x faster than an in-shape human, at 5x strength, and take 2x the punishment. Those are, even by your logic, conservative advantage estimates (I think each would be more for SM). And this person has basic physical prowess but little training. Now put that person against a trained martial artist (base human)...they'd be overwhelmed eventually. That kind of discrepancy isn't something they'd be able to account for in all but the most perfect and/or forgiving fight scenarios.Also, you're painting away the MA skill in a hypothetical for your own purposes. Do we discount every power of Thor's that goes ignored by 90% of his writers? Until there's an actual retcon, you're just making things up.
Besides, Cap trained Pete briefly as well and he's been at this for years. He is a trained martial artist now, but even before that he wasn't a toddler.
No need for the gifs. I don't mind them, but in context they can be seen as condescending. Let your arguments stand on their own.
Depending on the whims of the writer Spider-man can be anywhere between class 10 - 20. Like you pointed, this allows for the possibility of as low 5x strength disparity between the two characters. Now don't get me wrong, that is a substantial gape but it is not completely insurmountable for a skilled fighter even in the real world, never mind someone of Cap's caliber. Ditto for durability. Just look what powerless 80lbs beanpole Rogers did to those Super Soldiers in h2h.
Spider-man is stronger and more durable than Cap, but IMO any speed difference between the two is slight and that can be chalked up to precog afforded to him by his Spider-Sense (which is not active in this thread). For the sake of debate lets say you are right and Spider-man is 1.5 times or even twice as fast as Captain America, while what Cap has to counter that is undeniably better timing, which is what he used to beat on Spider-man in that Civil War fight. He read Spider-man like a book, picked up on his tells, got the timing down, and rolled over him. That's what he'll do here. In pure h2h Steve picks Spider-man apart with perfectly timed shots to nerve clusters and pressure points. Cap is just too skilled.
I'm not painting away Spider-man's skill. I said it isn't currently much of a factor at it's current level and I can't see it being further developed now that he has his Spider-Sense back. He isn't Anderson Silva, he had a few weeks of kung-fu training. Hell... the first thing that happened when he showed up in Spider-Island was Ms Marvel, Thing and Iron Fist rag dolling him because they assumed he was a random infecty.
George can't be condescending, he is a loser, I just thought it added some levity to the post. Although I do love the irony of the dur smilie master levying charges of condensation. 😎
