Originally posted by Laminator_XThen you would be losing money here. Cap is outclassed at every level against an opponent like Creed. Except for having a SLIGHT advantage in h2h combat skill, he brings no real notable advantages to the table to give him the edge in this fight, and the slight advantage in skill he does have is so marginal it's not really worth discussing. Basically, Creed makes a habbit of chasing, stalking, and beating on a superior version of Cap every chance he gets. Most people will give Cap the nod in this thread just by virtue of being Cap, but there's no tangible reason for why he would win here.
Creed clearly has a lot of advantages, but I'd never bet against Cap.
Originally posted by jinzin
Then you would be losing money here. Cap is outclassed at every level against an opponent like Creed. Except for having a SLIGHT advantage in h2h combat skill, he brings no real notable advantages to the table to give him the edge in this fight, and the slight advantage in skill he does have is so marginal it's not really worth discussing. Basically, Creed makes a habbit of chasing, stalking, and beating on a superior version of Cap every chance he gets. Most people will give Cap the nod in this thread just by virtue of being Cap, but there's no tangible reason for why he would win here.
Everything you've said is true. On paper, Sabertooth should win. And yet, upset victories against impossible odds are kind of Cap's thing. It's the sort of intangible thing that's hard to express in this sort of venue.
Originally posted by Laminator_XWell that's not much more convincing then the classic "he wins because he'll find a way" argument. I mean, under a TON of different circumstances vs. a TON of different characters I would say you were right, but Sabretooth isn't one of them. Not only does Sabretooth take on and run through opposition when the odds are against him as well (Wendigo, Sinister's supermen, whole teams of X-Men, etc etc), but he regularly beats on Wolverine who is Captain America Plus. Even if you want to argue that Cap and Wolverine were on the same level, that would be a hard argument to legitimately defend. You would have to argue that Cap is utterly superior to Wolverine by a significant margin to give him the bone against Creed. I just don't see it and I'm a Rogers fanatic.
Everything you've said is true. On paper, Sabertooth should win. And yet, upset victories against impossible odds are kind of Cap's thing. It's the sort of intangible thing that's hard to express in this sort of venue.
Originally posted by jinzin
but he regularly beats on Wolverine who is Captain America Plus. Even if you want to argue that Cap and Wolverine were on the same level..
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So, in your opinion the list of Marvels top martial artists is Cap/Logan/Sabertooth on the top tier, and everyone else beneath them?
You're entitled to your opinion, but putting Logan and Creed on Caps level in terms of sheer martial arts skill isn't something I can agree with.
Originally posted by cdtm
Given your love for Wolverine and his love for Creed, are you two usually on the same team, or at each others throats?
Sabretooth is better than Wolverine. He is stronger. He is faster. He has a better healing factor. The only advantage Wolverine has over Creed is skill, and even then it's not a massive advantage as Creed is an incredibly skilled combatant. Sabretooth is above and beyond Wolverine, and he doesn't even take his fights with Wolverine seriously.