Originally posted by jinzin
Well you're feeling would be wrong, Rucca ****ed that arc up. He also had a bullet dislocate Wolverine's vertebrete or some such nonsense. Sabretooth has lifted more than that jeep with one hand 2 upgrades ago.
well seeing how you really are a wolverine and sabretooth expert i take your word for that 🙂
Originally posted by X-Logan
I respectfuly disagree with you my friend.Wolverine has much more winning against Sabretooth than losts unless you are counting the pre adamantium Wolverine era.
The only one time I remember Wolverine saying that Creed has a better healing factor than Logan was after the weapon x enhancement on Frank tiere´s run(which creed already lost).BUt if you compare feats, Logan has better showings of healing, however as a said I d put than on the same level because it mostly depends on the writer.The same goes for speed and reflexes feats.
Nah, Sabretooth has beaten Wolverine or had him dead to rights more than the other way around, and Wolverine, character bios and reference books have flat out stated that Sabretooth has an overwhelming majority of wins over Logan it's part of their relationship.... AND, Sabretooth is typically worse for wear before the fights even start more often than not nevermind the fact that he doesn't take their fights seriously which is a big reason why Wolverine ever stands a chance during many of them in the first place.
Wolverine said Creed's healing factor was better than his when he was bone clawed while Sabretooth was Adamantiumized during a Claremont run, Wolverine was only able to beat Creed during Tieri's run with help from a plot device and because Creed was toying more than usual. He also lost before and after that iirc.
Wolverine appears to have better healing feats at times perhaps to you, I would argue you only think that because he's had to heal from presumably worse damage than Creed on panel a lot more often. I would also argue you simply not stacking the characters up properly in the feats they do have. But.... we've seen Creed shot in the head with machine gun fire without an Adamantium skull and it didn't even knock him down, he's crashlanded to earth without Adamantium and immediately stood up. He's recovered from being melted to a practical skeleton faster than Wolverine did on panel. He's healed his severed hand back onto his arm just by placing it there.
Bottem line is that Wolverine observed and admitted that an Adamantiumized Creed healed faster than he did while Bone-clawed. Not really sure what argument you think there is to make here.
As for speed, Sabretooth's just faster. Sabretooth's said it, Wolverine's said it, Psylocke said it, Narrative has stated it, Sabretooth's proved it. It's not a matter up for debate. The issue here is that Wolverine's a popular hero character, he has his own ongoing titles, team books, and mini series'. Sabretooth doesn't. He's pretty much restricted to guest appearances and the occassional mini series when it comes up. This is much the same as Venom. Venom is as agile and fast as Spiderman. He doesn't have all of the same feats as Spiderman does but that's because while Spiderman has thousands of appearances, Venom's limited to a couple hundred, most of which he's a supporting role. Does that make him less fast/agile? No, because we've seen how he performs against an outliner like Spidey and we've read what the impartial 3rd person narrative (which is basically the voice of God in comic books) has to say on the matter backed up by character bios, power charts etc etc. Sabretooth falls into the same category. You can think what you want, but 3rd person impartial narrative has flat out stated what Creed is to Wolverine, and it's what Sabretooth, the X-men, and indeed Wolverine himself have all said as well.... That Sabretooth is simply physically superior in pretty much every single way to Logan.
Wolvie is sloppy seconds compared to Sabes. He is better in all ways except slightly less skilled. No, Logan is not smarter either.
As for the topic, what the hell is Cap supposed to do to Creed? He could get ten minutes free landing as many blows/shield bashes he could with Sabes just standing there with a smile on his face.