Sabretooth vs Captain America

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabretooth is better than Wolverine. He is stronger. He is faster. He has a better healing factor. The only advantage Wolverine has over Creed is skill, and even then it's not a massive advantage as Creed is an incredibly skilled combatant. Sabretooth is above and beyond Wolverine, and he doesn't even take his fights with Wolverine seriously.

Didn't that all change after Logans training with Shang Chai.

I've seen the fight, and Logan seemed to handle Creed pretty easily.

Originally posted by cdtm
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So, in your opinion the list of Marvels top martial artists is Cap/Logan/Sabertooth on the top tier, and everyone else beneath them?

So..... no, that isn't my opinion. You could of course respond to what I actually said... Just a though.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're entitled to your opinion, but putting Logan and Creed on Caps level in terms of sheer martial arts skill isn't something I can agree with.

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't that all change after Logans training with Shang Chai.

I've seen the fight, and Logan seemed to handle Creed pretty easily.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Ah yeah jinzin back! That guys a baller yo. I hope you like getting balled!

Back in the 90's Marvel seemed to hint on a possible Sabretooth vs Captain America match due to foreshadowing, and I always had the most dreadful feeling for Cap, because I knew that he had no business beating Victor.

Originally posted by jinzin

Well, no one, including myself, said that about Creed....

but he regularly beats on Wolverine who is Captain America Plus.

This isn't saying Creed is > Wolverine, and by extension Cap?

Best case scenario for Cap is he manages to ambush Creed, lands three or four hits... then Creed grabs him by the throat and either tears his throat out or merely squeezes Ca[s head off by simply tightening his grip and grinding Caps spinal column into powder. 😎

Originally posted by cdtm
This isn't saying Creed is > Wolverine, and by extension Cap?

Originally posted by cdtm
This isn't saying Creed is > Wolverine, and by extension Cap?

If someone said the same thing about Hulk in place of Creed, would you take that as inference that Hulk is more skilled than Captain America?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Best case scenario for Cap is he manages to ambush Creed, lands three or four hits... then Creed grabs him by the throat and either tears his throat out or merely squeezes Ca[s head off by simply tightening his grip and grinding Caps spinal column into powder. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If someone said the same thing about Hulk in place of Creed, would you take that as inference that Hulk is more skilled than Captain America?

The thing is, he compared Wolverine to Cap. So he must be talking about a comparison of skill, because they have different physical stats, right? Wolverine with a better healing factor, the skeleton, possibly greater strength..

And as Wolverine and Creed are rivals, and generally have comparable stats, that's why I made the inference.. (Even if Creed is > Logan stats wise, how big a gap are we really talking about..?)

Originally posted by cdtm
The thing is, he compared Wolverine to Cap. So he must be talking about a comparison of skill, because they have different physical stats, right? Wolverine with a better healing factor, the skeleton, possibly greater strength..

And as Wolverine and Creed are rivals, and generally have comparable stats, that's why I made the inference.. (Even if Creed is > Logan stats wise, how big a gap are we really talking about..?)

He said Creed routinely beats Wolverine, who is Captain America plus. The plus referring to the myriad of ways in which Wolverine is better than Cap, only one of which is skill. Jinzin "Creed beats Wolverine because he is more skilled than Wolverine... who is more skilled than Cap," nothing he said implies that Creed's skill has anything to do with his victory.

Creed is much stronger than Wolverine. He is around class 20 - 25, Wolverine is around class 2. The speed gab isn't nearly as large but it still leans towards Creed, and the same goes for healing and durability.

Originally posted by Stoic
Back in the 90's Marvel seemed to hint on a possible Sabretooth vs Captain America match due to foreshadowing, and I always had the most dreadful feeling for Cap, because I knew that he had no business beating Victor.

Cap gives him a fight from the start but after that it's all down hill for him he gets overwhelmed once Creed turns it up a notch

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Creed is much stronger than Wolverine. He is around class 20 - 25

creed never display such strength feats, i remember wolverine running him over with a jeep and sabretooth got stuck under the jeep and couldnt lift it , i was always under the feeling he is class 2 while wolverine can lift a ton

Well you're feeling would be wrong, Rucca ****ed that arc up. He also had a bullet dislocate Wolverine's vertebrete or some such nonsense. Sabretooth has lifted more than that jeep with one hand 2 upgrades ago.

Sabretooth beats caps.

But no way in hell he is better than wolverine. Sabretooth is stronger but Logan is more skilled, has adamantium wich makes him more durable and is much smarter.

They are equal in the healing factor department as in both cases it depends on the writer.The same goes for speed and reflexes.

Logan have already beaten creed plenty of times.Just to name a few, Logan recently beat both Sabretooth and wildchild AoA in uncanny x-force. Easily take creed down twice in Inferno Saga, kicked creed´s ass before gettin tha adamantium back from apocalipse, almost killed creed puttin a bone claw through his brain one time, beat the crap out of him in the horrible chuck austen run on the xmen...That´s just those ones I remember in the moment, Im sure there is a lot more.

Cap gets killed.

Originally posted by X-Logan
Sabretooth beats caps.

But no way in hell he is better than wolverine. Sabretooth is stronger but Logan is more skilled, has adamantium wich makes him more durable and is much smarter.

They are equal in the healing factor department as in both cases it depends on the writer.The same goes for speed and reflexes.

Logan have already beaten creed plenty of times.Just to name a few, Logan recently beat both Sabretooth and wildchild AoA in uncanny x-force. Easily take creed down twice in Inferno Saga, kicked creed´s ass before gettin tha adamantium back from apocalipse, almost killed creed puttin a bone claw through his brain one time, beat the crap out of him in the horrible chuck austen run on the xmen...That´s just those ones I remember in the moment, Im sure there is a lot more.

It's a pretty common misconception that Sabretooth's some kind of dumb ass, most likely due to his feral nature. In reality, he is very intelligent.

Actually, in terms of healing, Creed is marginally superior to Logan due to the fact that he has fully embraced his feral side. The same is true concerning enhanced senses.

When it comes to speed, Creed is almost always the one who is shown to hold the advantage. Hell, even when Sabretooth had adamantium and Wolverine didn't, Creed was faster.

As far as skill goes, the difference is negligible at best. Wolverine has more showings keeping himself calm and focused, and therefore allowing him to better show case his martial arts capabilities. Conversely, Sabretooth much prefers to just cut loose and go into a berserker rage when he fights. Again I would mainly contribute Logan's ability to better control his anger to the fact that he won't completely give in to his feral nature, whereas Creed has embraced it fully. But, given their history and training backgrounds, I'd say the skill is there on both sides.

Looks like we agree on strength.

Yes. There are several encounters involving Creed and Logan where Logan ends up winning. However, there are just as many (dare I say more?) that Creed finishes victorious.

Originally posted by X-Logan
Sabretooth beats caps.

But no way in hell he is better than wolverine. Sabretooth is stronger but Logan is more skilled, has adamantium wich makes him more durable and is much smarter.

They are equal in the healing factor department as in both cases it depends on the writer.The same goes for speed and reflexes.

Logan have already beaten creed plenty of times.Just to name a few, Logan recently beat both Sabretooth and wildchild AoA in uncanny x-force. Easily take creed down twice in Inferno Saga, kicked creed´s ass before gettin tha adamantium back from apocalipse, almost killed creed puttin a bone claw through his brain one time, beat the crap out of him in the horrible chuck austen run on the xmen...That´s just those ones I remember in the moment, Im sure there is a lot more.

Nah, Creeds better than Logan.

Wolverine is more skilled sure, but his intelligence isn't on another level than Creed's infact Creed tends to play mindgames with Logan more often than the opposite. And no, Creed has a better healing factor than Logan as Logan admitted to it. Also his speed has always been superior to Logan's throughout their entire history.

Logan beating AoA Sabretooth isn't that impressive, we already knew AoA Sabretooth isn't on the same level as 616 Creed. Wolverine does have some wins over tooth but has also admitted that Tooth beats him the vast majority of the time, on top of which those fights are not even taken seriously by Creed. He thinks it's playtime quite literally.

I respectfuly disagree with you my friend.

Wolverine has much more winning against Sabretooth than losts unless you are counting the pre adamantium Wolverine era.

The only one time I remember Wolverine saying that Creed has a better healing factor than Logan was after the weapon x enhancement on Frank tiere´s run(which creed already lost).BUt if you compare feats, Logan has better showings of healing, however as a said I d put than on the same level because it mostly depends on the writer.The same goes for speed and reflexes feats.