Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I agree they were M-Bodies. But it has nothing to do with how Ziran reacted. Here's what I'm talking about:
He's wrong. Eternity said, if this was my totality instead of merely a representation, the gauntlet's effects would be nonexistent (paraphrasing). Let me find the scan.
Originally posted by zopzopI never said otherwise. In fact, I even stated such in my post. However, m-bodies have full access to ALL the power of their host.
But Eternity himself said that he didn't! It's on panel. Some said that was just Eternity talking smack but it was later confirmed in this Quasar issue I'm quoting/posting from. They were ALL M-bodies, with the exception of Adam Warlock.
But like I said before: Ziran retaining better footing than Eternity in no way/shape/form implies any sort of superiority. Hell, Lord Chaos was hanging in there right next to Ziran when Warlock unleashed his blast (as the scan you posted above beautifully depicts.) Is Lord Chaos > Eternity as well? By your line of thinking, he would be. Just saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
I never said otherwise. In fact, I even stated such in my post. However, m-bodies have full access to ALL the power of their host.But like I said before: Ziran retaining better footing than Eternity in no way/shape/form implies any sort of superiority. Hell, Lord Chaos was hanging in there right next to Ziran when Warlock unleashed his blast (as the scan you posted above beautifully depicts.) Is Lord Chaos > LT as well? By your line of thinking, he would be. Just saying.
There is zero proof M-bodies have the FULL power of the beings they represent since there are MULTIPLE M-bodies floating around out there.
Lord Chaos was upside down or something, while Ziran stood his ground bracing. The only two beings that weren't swept away were Ziran's M-body and the LT's M-body. That's indisputable and on panel. That shouldn't be possible, in Ziran's case, if every M-body always has the FULL power of the abstract they represent.
Originally posted by zopzop... rotiart made the exact same conclusion you did. That it was an M-Body that was present. Why would he be wrong?
He's wrong. Eternity said, if this was my totality instead of merely a representation, the gauntlet's effects would be nonexistent (paraphrasing). Let me find the scan.
EDIT: Oh... I see what you're saying. Yeah, I agree. It's an M-Body and Eternity boasts the IG wouldn't have done crap if he were truly there. Could very well be a boast though -- Thanos defeated Eernity on-panel and usurped him. Ultimately, Eternity does state outright he's there as a visualization.
Originally posted by zopzopBut Eternity himself said that he didn't! It's on panel.
Some said that was just Eternity talking smack
Eternity got stomped and replaced in the story before by Thanos.
Please,
do not try and push that Eternity came at anything but full power to fight Thanos.
And he was owned and replaced.
So, his diversionary tactic on Warlock was horse shit
just like when he tried to pull that fast card on Protege
and he was called a LIAR for it.
He tried to trick Protege so Protege would stop rising to the top.
In Warlock's case to shake his confidence.
That, or, geesh, when will ya manifest at full power Eternity,
if not when your existence is on the line?
This is funny friends.
Originally posted by zopzopbut it was later confirmed in this Quasar issue I'm
quoting/posting from. They were ALL M-bodies,
with the exception of Adam Warlock.
The Quasar issue is showing a scenario that took place years before,
those aren't the actual spirit/consciousness containing present M-bodys of the Concepts,
those are the meaningless M-bodys lingering in the Dimension of Manifestation,
repetitively playing out every scene that has ever occurred within it.
Only the recent one matters, only the recent one is significant to reality,
the rest are Fractal shells playing out the drama
for guys like the Contemplator to cruise and enjoy.
Originally posted by zopzopIt was stated that m-bodies CAN access the full power of their host. Why would I not believe it?
There is zero proof M-bodies have the FULL power of the beings they represent since there are MULTIPLE M-bodies floating around out there.Lord Chaos was upside down or something, while Ziran stood his ground bracing. The only two beings that weren't swept away were Ziran's M-body and the LT's M-body. That's indisputable and on panel. That shouldn't be possible, in Ziran's case, if every M-body always has the FULL power of the abstract they represent.
Nope. Lord Chaos is right next to Ziran. His head is cocked slightly forward and to the side. He too is depicted 'tanking' Warlock's blast. Ergo, he too is >> Eternity by your logic.
^^ 👆
Originally posted by zopzopThere is zero proof M-bodies have the FULL power of the beings they represent
(Up top, under Powers/Abilities)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the full power of the original being"
😐
Originally posted by Mr Master
And it was proven again, and again.Eternity got stomped and replaced in the story before by Thanos.
Please,
do not try and push that Eternity came at any but full power to fight Thanos.And he was owned and replaced.
So, his diversionary tactic on Warlock was horse shit
just like when he tried to pull that fast card on Protege
and he was called a LIAR for it.He tried to trick Protege so Protege would stop rising to the top.
In Warlock's case to shake his confidence.That, or, geesh, when will ya manifest at full power Eternity,
if not when your existence is on the line?This is funny friends.
Nah.
The Quasar issue is showing a scenario that took place years before,
those aren't the actual spirit/consciousness containing present M-bodys of the Concepts,
those are the meaningless M-bodys lingering in the Dimension of Manifestation,
repetitively playing out every scene that has ever occurred within it.
A) If Beyonder and Protege really blew Eternity apart, then why wasn't the rest of the universe affected? Oh that's right, because he wasn't lying and it was nothing more than an M-body that bit the dust. Compare this to how the universe reacted when Giruad cauterized Eternity's wound. All creation shook. Eternity stated that it was only a visualization and it was backed up by a later issue of Quasar. Also why would he lie knowing the LT would call him out on his BS? Supposedly the LT is omniscient and would know if Eternity was lying.
B) If they were past reflections, they explain how they were interacting IN REAL TIME with Quasar and Contemplator? Why would LT tell them to leave because they were interrupting a proceeding if the damn thing ALREADY took place?
Originally posted by Mr Master
(Up top, under [b]Powers)http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the full power ofd the original being"
😐 [/B]
Sorry I'm not buying that. I want ON PANEL proof or statements. Quoting a website or handbook doesn't convince me unless it backs up what is shown on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007
It was stated that m-bodies CAN access the full power of their host. Why would I not believe it?Nope. Lord Chaos is right next to Ziran. His head is cocked slightly forward and to the side. He too is depicted 'tanking' Warlock's blast. Ergo, he too is >> Eternity by your logic.
Ergo his M-body has more power bestowed upon it by the abstract it represents than Eternity's M-body.
PS where was this stated on panel that they can access the full power of their host?
Originally posted by zopzopA) If Beyonder and Protege really blew Eternity apart, then why
wasn't the rest of the universe affected? Oh that's right, because he
wasn't lying and it was nothing more than an M-body that bit the dust.
Just cause the M-body (full power) gets owned doesn't mean
it's an auto kill for the Concept it represents.
The Concept has to be erased, for it to affect reality.
Originally posted by zopzopCompare this to how the universe reacted when Giruad
cauterized Eternity's wound. All creation shook.
hm
Originally posted by zopzopEternity stated that
it was only a visualization and it was backed up by a later issue of
Quasar. Also why would he lie knowing the LT would call him out on
his BS? Supposedly the LT is omniscient and would know if Eternity
was lying.
Eternity's totality got stomped by Thanos in the prior story.
That's that.
Originally posted by zopzopB) If they were past reflections, they explain how they were
interacting IN REAL TIME with Quasar and Contemplator? Why
would LT tell them to leave because they were interrupting a
proceeding if the damn thing ALREADY took place?
That shit happened six months before (Feb) in Infinity Gauntlet #1,
the Quasar issue came out in August.
Anyway, if you really believe this is happening in real time:
Ey yall, it's Pre-Retcon Beyonder in Secret Wars 26 Years ago.
Clearly these M-bodys are significant.
Originally posted by zopzopSorry I'm not buying that.
I want ON PANEL proof or statements.
Quoting a website or handbook doesn't convince me unless it backs up
what is shown on panel.
But at-least we have this, a Marvel Comics sponsored site,
which tells us the obvious.
I also want "ON PANEL proof or statements."
You got none at all of any kind,
I got Marvunnapp.
Originally posted by zopzopErgo his M-body has more power bestowed upon it by the abstract
it represents than Eternity's M-body.
Originally posted by zopzopPS where was this stated on panel that they can access the full power of their host?
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're not gonna find any, anywhere, I've dug deep,
it's something that's obvious anyway.But at-least we have this, a Marvel Comics sponsored site,
which tells us the obvious.I also want "ON PANEL proof or statements."
You got none at all of any kind,
I got Marvunnapp.
I provided you with scans stating ON PANEL that these were merely visualizations or M-bodies of the beings in question. If they really had the full power of the beings they represent Eternity, for example, wouldn't have stated to the court that if this had been the TOTALITY of himself and not merely a visualization, the effects of the IG blast would have been nonexistent. If he was lying, the LT who you claim is omniscient, would have know right? 🙄
So on panel proof >>>>>>>> website.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Completely made up with no evidence of any kind to even suggest this to be the case.PS where was this stated on panel that they cannot access the full power of their host,
or that they can access portions of their power?
For God's sake, it was stated on panel by Eternity, in the very issue the trial took place in.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh that's right, cause they didn't erase Eternity, they just blew up his form,
in the Dimension of Manifestations,
a place with an infinite amount of forms for Eternity to replace the old with
but a thought away.Just cause the M-body (full power) gets owned doesn't mean
it's an auto kill for the Concept it represents.The Concept has to be erased, for it to affect reality.
You got proof that took place in the dimension of manifestations? I'll wait.
Oh snap, you mean, the M-body?hm
No. Because the Beyonder and Protege directed their attack on Eternity's M-body and nothing more that's why the Universe was unaffected. Bubonicus' tumor was infecting the actual universe, not merely an M-body :
That's why when Phoeix IX cauterized the wound, the universe shook and Eternity felt pain. Not because he was merely affecting an M-body but because he was cauterizing the tumor in the ACTUAL universe (which is what Eternity represents).
Nothing was backed on panel, stop saying that it's false friend.Eternity's totality got stomped by Thanos in the prior story.
That's that.
"real time?" ... Where'd you get that from?
That shit happened six months before (Feb) in Infinity Gauntlet #1,
the Quasar issue came out in August.Anyway, if you really believe this is happening in real time:
Ey yall, it's Pre-Retcon Beyonder in Secret Wars 26 Years ago.
Clearly these M-bodys are significant.
Then how do you explain the LT's anger that Quasar and crew were interrupting the proceedings if they had already taken place?
Because we KNOW for sure this didn't happen in the original trial.
Originally posted by zopzopI provided you with scans stating ON PANEL that these were merely visualizations or M-bodies of the beings in question. If they really had the full power of the beings they represent Eternity, for example, wouldn't have stated to the court that if this had been the TOTALITY of himself and not merely a visualization, the effects of the IG blast would have been nonexistent. If he was lying, the LT who you claim is omniscient, would have know right?
So on panel proof >>>>>>>> website.
Eternity's totality getting owned, and replaced:
Stomped!
Replaced!
So, yea, Eternity is gabbing Warlock.
Originally posted by zopzopFor God's sake, it was stated on panel by Eternity,
in the very issue the trial took place in.
Eternity saying the IG would in-affectove against his supposed "totality" is nonsense.
Because Eternity battled Thanos for control of the Universe,
and Thanos stomped and replaced him.
I know, I now, now you're gonna try and say Eternity didn't come at full power,
although his existence was on the line.
Originally posted by Mr Master
So you still have nothing. Wonderful.Eternity's totality getting owned, and replaced:
Stomped!
Replaced!
So, yea, Eternity is gabbing Warlock.
What is so hard to understand? Eternity said, the blast Warlock fired off DURING THE TRIAL AGAINST ETERNITY'S M-BODY wouldn't have affected him had he actually been there and wasn't just a visualization. That's all. He realizes the IG was more powerful than himself and even stated so at the trial. He was merely referring to THAT SPECIFIC BLAST. Jesus Christ, this is getting annoying.
