Pre retcon Molecule Man vs Thanos w/Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Universe didn't go anywhere.

That was Eternity's first appearance in a Silver Surfer issue almost 25 years ago.

Again, it was the writer/artists introducing a new entity to his readers.
The best way for us to understand what he's conveying
was to illustrate space taken on form,
which simply defines Eternity as what he is, the Universe.

Eternity has done this before in old Dr Strange issues just to talk.

When the M-body concept was introduced to Marvel
we learned of a new method for abstract beings taking on form.

But, it's kinda funny
yall think Eternity coming to have a conversation with Galactus and/or Strange,
results needing to manifest his full power.

Yet when his freakin existence is on the line (IG scenarios)
yall think he comes with something less.

😐

Really? That's happened when Eternity has conversed with Strange? Ok what issue and do you have scans? And I'm talking about 616 reality not some pocket universe or adjacent mystic dimension. I'll wait patiently.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I also agree that Zivan was never meant to be portrayed as taking the IG's power better than the rest of the Abstracts. I concur.

Seriously? Then it's just an odd coincidence that he was shown on his feet while others were thrown around like ragdolls not once but twice?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You can repeat till you're blue in the face and it'll be as in vain
as telling me Elephants can fly.

Still nothing, still repeating nothing.

I appreciate the effort friend, but not yet.

The fact that it's all right there on panel is completely lost on you isn't it? The LT's "opponent" just wanted to feast in peace, the LT made that happen by opening a gate into another dimension and sending his "opponent" there. What's so great or newsworthy about this? I'm still trying to figure it out.

Yea, and by slaying that M-body Maelstrom became the Anomaly.

Dude, are you messing with me?

Cause I gotta get high too if we're gonna joke around.

GIve me 10 minutes, I'm about to light up,
I'll be back and we can laugh together.

forgetu

He couldn't have slain the abstract Anomaly, otherwise the Quartet would be discussing what to do with him when they were divvying up who got to keep who. Quasar even says, Maelstrom bragged about killing Anomaly but he must have killed an M-body instead. And since the same writer (Mark Gruenwald)wrote BOTH incidents, I'm guessing he knows what he's talking about.

So, I'll se ya after I'm stoned

You sound like you're stoned now. How would I tell the difference? 😕

Originally posted by zopzop
Seriously? Then it's just an odd coincidence that he was shown on his feet while others were thrown around like ragdolls not once but twice?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think any attention was paid to Ziran at all. I also don't think Ziran is stronger than Eternity who got blown away both times, IIRC.

I do, otherwise how else can you explain the fact that ONLY he and the LT stood their ground (although the LT did it effortlessly while Ziran struggled).

And yes, I DO NOT THINK Ziran is more powerful than Eternity. Luckily they were merely M-bodies that were present at the trial as was explained in a later issue of Quasar. Who knows how much power the abstracts that they represent endowed in those particular M-bodies.

^ To suggest that we should disregard Eternity getting blown away both times is to assume that the Abstracts purposefully (and arbitrarily) bestowed their M-Bodies with differing levels of power. For no reason, Eternity bestowed his M-Body with less power. So him being blown away means nothing, comparatively speaking. Otherwise, Ziran was more powerful than Eternity. Ok.

If you do arbitrarily assume that the Abstracts bestowed their M-Bodies with differing levels of power, then contemplate this: there's nothing stopping a Galactus fanboy from suggesting that Galactus also bestowed his M-Body with much less power. So him being blown away the first time means nothing. This extends to all the Abstract entities.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ To suggest that we should disregard Eternity getting blown away both times is to assume that the Abstracts purposefully (and arbitrarily) bestowed their M-Bodies with differing levels of power. For no reason, Eternity bestowed his M-Body with less power. So him being blown away means nothing, comparatively speaking. Otherwise, Ziran was more powerful than Eternity. Ok.

If you do arbitrarily assume that the Abstracts bestowed their M-Bodies with differing levels of power, then contemplate this: there's nothing stopping a Galactus fanboy from suggesting that Galactus also bestowed his M-Body with much less power. So him being blown away the first time means nothing. This extends to all the Abstract entities.

Then the Galactus fanboy would have a point. Anthromorpho himself said, even powerful cosmic beings (non abstracts) contract out M-bodies to events they consider important enough to be a part of but not feel like personally attending. I'll get the scan if you want.

^ That's not really necessary. While it's possible what you said is true, then there's literally no reason to see Ziran as being superior to any of the other Abstracts. Clearly Eternity must have provided diminished power, maybe the other ones did as well and Ziran didn't. For the same arbitrary reasons that Eternity would.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's not really necessary. While it's possible what you said is true, then there's literally no reason to see Ziran as being superior to any of the other Abstracts. Clearly Eternity must have provided diminished power, maybe the other ones did as well and Ziran didn't. For the same arbitrary reasons that Eternity would.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I DO NOT see Ziran as being more powerful than Order/Chaos/Eternity that were thrown around while he withstood. No one knows how much power those abstracts placed in those M-bodies.

Here is the scan anyway about beings using M-bodies to be a part of an event that they consider worthy of attention but they can't be personally bothered to attend (I'm paraphrasing). Fifth panel :

^ I saw what you were arguing before. I don't see Ziran standing his ground as being proof that M-Bodies were used simply because others (who are clearly more powerful) were not able to stand their ground. I don't think Starlin gave a second thought to it. He asked Angel Medina to draw the Abstracts being blown away. That's it. I see no reason suggesting that we should read more into how each of those characters specifically reacted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I saw what you were arguing before. I don't see Ziran standing his ground as being proof that M-Bodies were used simply because others (who are clearly more powerful) were not able to stand their ground. I don't think Starlin gave a second thought to it. He asked Angel Medina to draw the Abstracts being blown away. That's it. I see no reason suggesting that we should read more into how each of those characters specifically reacted.

But they were!

Everyone at the Trial was an M-body with the sole exception of Adam Warlock.

Considering Eternity already knew what the IG was capable of, yet he still went into that trial with plans of directly confronting Warlock, it seems illogical to assume he'd endow his m-body with anything less than full power. Imo.

Regardless, Ziran displaying better footing than Eternity vs. Warlock's blast, certainly doesn't imply overall superiority. Again, just MO.

^ Pretty sure that rotiart ended up explaining one particular triple negative statement made by Eternity that suggested he was only there as an M-Body.

Originally posted by zopzop
But they were!

Everyone at the Trial was an M-body with the sole exception of Adam Warlock.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pretty sure that rotiart ended up explaining one particular triple negative statement made by Eternity that suggested he was only there as an M-Body. So who cares how Ziran reacted compared to everyone else present.

Because they were merely M-bodies and not the totality of the abstract they represent. So when Eternity claimed that the blast Warlock used to humble him at the trial wouldn't have phased him if he wasn't merely an M-body, he wasn't just talking smack (besides why would he, the LT would have known if he was lying).

Once you said Ziran is more powerful and/or more durable than Eternity,
I knew it was time to cease from debating any further.

But I'll continue to derail scans presented fallaciously.

Originally posted by zopzop

Here is the scan anyway about beings using M-bodies to be a part of
an event that they consider worthy of attention but they can't be
personally bothered to attend (I'm paraphrasing). Fifth panel :

He's talking about physical beings in particular, NOT abstracts,
like Galactus, who's specifically mentioned in the page:

Anthro even clearly points out how the newby Fractals are given this job.

Seriously, friend, are you even reading these scans?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ I saw what you were arguing before. I don't see Ziran standing his ground as being proof that M-Bodies were used simply because others (who are clearly more powerful) were not able to stand their ground. I don't think Starlin gave a second thought to it. He asked Angel Medina to draw the Abstracts being blown away. That's it. I see no reason suggesting that we should read more into how each of those characters specifically reacted.

Simple and put.

Originally posted by Galan007
Considering Eternity already knew what the IG was capable of, yet he still went into that trial with plans of directly confronting Warlock, it seems illogical to assume he'd endow his m-body with anything less than full power. Imo.

But Eternity himself said that he didn't! It's on panel. Some said that was just Eternity talking smack but it was later confirmed in this Quasar issue I'm quoting/posting from. They were ALL M-bodies, with the exception of Adam Warlock.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Once you said Ziran is more powerful and/or more durable than Eternity,
I knew it was time to cease from debating any further.

But I'll continue to derail scans presented fallaciously.

Good lord, this has nothing to do with Conceptual entities.

He's talking about [b]physical beings in particular, NOT abstracts,
like Galactus, who's specifically mentioned in the page:

Anthro even clearly points out how the newby Fractals are given this job,
while the Abstracts get the experienced Fractals.

Seriously, friend, are you even reading these scans? [/B]

I am, that was in reply to OneDumbGO's Galactus comment. EVERYONE AT THE TRIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADAM WARLOCK WAS AN M-BODY. It's right there on panel.

^ I agree they were M-Bodies. But it has nothing to do with how Ziran reacted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pretty sure that rotiart ended up explaining one particular triple negative statement made by Eternity that suggested he was only there as an M-Body.

Originally posted by rotiart
In the room of manifestations you are given a faux body by the antromirpho entity

eternity stated his totality would have been destroyed if it wasn't a mere visualizaion of him...

Hence had the ig truly did that same blast it would have destroyed eternity if not for the faux body Being only a visualization created by the anthromorpho

All beings that manifest in the Room of m are

Originally posted by zopzop

I am, that was in reply to OneDumbGO's Galactus comment. EVERYONE AT THE TRIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADAM WARLOCK WAS AN M-BODY. It's right there on panel.

Galactus is not an abstract, and others,
and this was definitely not a mere passing moment in history
for them not to attend themselves.