Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't care what Eternity states if it contradicts historical facts.Eternity saying the IG would in-affectove against his supposed "totality" is nonsense.
Because Eternity battled Thanos for control of the Universe,
and Thanos stomped and replaced him.I know, I now, now you're gonna try and say Eternity didn't come at full power,
although his existence was on the line.
He was referring to THAT SPECIFIC BLAST against his M-body.
Originally posted by zopzopYou got proof that took place in the dimension of manifestations? I'll wait.
Originally posted by zopzop
No. Because the Beyonder and Protege directed their attack on Eternity's M-body and nothing more that's why the Universe was unaffected. Bubonicus' tumor was infecting the actual universe, not merely an M-body :
That's why when Phoeix IX cauterized the wound, the universe shook and Eternity felt pain. Not because he was merely affecting an M-body but because he was cauterizing the tumor in the ACTUAL universe (which is what Eternity represents).
Originally posted by zopzop
Then how do you explain the LT's anger that Quasar and crew were
interrupting the proceedings if they had already taken place?Because we KNOW for sure this didn't happen in the original trial.
...and that somehow Warlock was still on trial as a "god" with the IG
although that took place back in Feb. of 1992, in the Infinity Watch #1.
Now it all makes sense ... durlaugh
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, if you didn't know that simple fact,
then you shouldn't be discussing the issue.I can see your intransigence will not budge, therefore this is no longer a debate,
and a waste of my time instead.So then,
you believe in August of 1992
when the Infinity Watch had already had 8 comic issues
and all the Gems spread in the group, (Quasar issue)...and that somehow Warlock was still on trial as a "god" with the IG
although that took place back in Feb. of 1992, in the Infinity Watch #1.Now it all makes sense ... durlaugh
Seriously you got scans that say that Protege/Beyonder/Eternity event took place in the Dimension of Manifestations? Just curious because I'd like to see them. I could dig out the issues but this has already been time consuming enough.
Obviously something more is going on in that realm concerning time. Otherwise how do you explain the LT and Anomaly's reaction? Because we KNOW for sure none of that transpired during the original trial.
Originally posted by zopzopSeriously you got scans that say that Protege/Beyonder/Eternity
event took place in the Dimension of Manifestations? Just curious
because I'd like to see them. I could dig out the issues but this has
already been time consuming enough.
Originally posted by zopzopObviously something more is going on in that realm concerning
time. Otherwise how do you explain the LT and Anomaly's reaction?
Because we KNOW for sure none of that transpired during the original trial.
This is we see the stupid trial along with Pre-Retcon Beyonder,
cause all that, regardless of how long ago, took place there.
Anthro said, I posted the scan:
Yes, those M-bodys are there, but they're meaningless.
As far as the LT reacting, I can't give you a definitive answer only that it seems,
these replays must go on as they did originally,
which is why interruption is a no, no.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course I do, but I have too dig into DVDs and it's late now,
tomorrow I'll gladly oblige.Right, but those are the fractals continuously and repeatedly replaying
all the events that have ever taken place in the D of M.This is we see the stupid trial along with Pre-Retcon Beyonder,
cause all that, regardless of how long ago, took place there.Anthro said, I posted the scan:
Yes, those M-bodys are there, but they're meaningless.
As far as the LT reacting, I can't give you a definitive answer only that it seems,
these replays must go on as they did originally,
which is why interruption is a no, no.
Yes I get what you're saying. But my point is, how would the M-bodies know that they were being interrupted if they were only replaying the event like a pre recorded movie? The M-bodies were aware of what was going on when the court was interrupted.
Originally posted by zopzopYes I get what you're saying. But my point is, how would the M-
bodies know that they were being interrupted if they were only
replaying the event like a pre recorded movie? The M-bodies were
aware of what was going on when the court was interrupted.
If you get up and run on stage during a Broadway play,
although they have to repeat the same crap day in and out,
they're gonna notice you.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The M-bodys are alive, they're "Fractals" which is a life-form.If you get up and run on stage during a Broadway play,
although they have to repeat the same crap day in and out,
they're gonna notice you.
They were obviously more than mere fractals. Remember how Anomaly addressed the LT?
Originally posted by zopzopThey were obviously more than mere fractals.
Remember how Anomaly addressed the LT?
That aside, the LT is supposed to exist everywhere simultaneously,
so he's the only one I'd give meaning too.
Still dumbness if he's really there wasting his time,
or, it doesn't really matter cause this isn't real life
so no one has to be held accountable for the contradictions.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't do guess work like you when things are plain as day.The LT attacked Slorioth, and Slorioth went hurtling into another dimension.
Now did the LT open a portal before hand
and them bashed Slorioth into it, can't say.Did the LT bash Slorioth so hard
that he caused Slorioth to rip through & into another dimension, can't say.What I do know for sure,
is that the LT did not harmlessly teleport Slorioth away.This is why I simply put it as,
the LT one-shotted Slorioth into another dimension,
cause that's all the on panel evidence shows.Not me, but your distortion of what happens in comics.
All waffle that doesnt actually provide any counter evidence, you just dont want to agree. LT removed Slorioth from the battlefield. No need to exaggerate the feat. Try just relaying whats depicted and stated clear as day. Just try it 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Personal unrelated logic means little if anything to me,
all I consider is Marvel comic facts.
No. What you consider is how little attention the average pubescent KMC reader pays to your "evidence" allowing you to quite impressively convince them to see that which is not actually on panel 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... I knew it'd come to this sooner or later.That "What If" story he's using from 25 years ago has nothing to do with our debate,
in fact, there was no knowledge or understanding or info in Marvel regarding M-bodys.M-bodys is a concept that was developed years later.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate,
and in fact, all it does is strengthen my case.But to entertain his post:
That's the story of the "Entity" a being composed of Eternity/Death and mutants of Earth.
The Entity took it's form (years later known as M-body) which houses it's spirit/consciousness,
and left it's current Universe to produce another under its own terms.By purposely removing it's spirit/consciousness (Space-Time) from its location,
to designate it in another continuum, this of course left the continuum they left behind, empty.Since well, in that "What If" story Eternity/Death were the Universe,
so simply no Eternity/no Death, = no universe.
Either i consistently over estimate your ability to comprehend and process basic logic or you're just damn good at playing the fool 😱
What those scans show is that when the full essence of an abstract is gathered up, there is an absence of that concept in reality resulting in disastrous consequences as clearly illustrated.
An Mbody being able to access and tap into an abstrcats full power reserve and an Mbody containing the full essence and being of an abstract are two completely different things.
Unless we see an absence of time on panel whenever the Eternity manifests an Mbody then that Mbody conclusively doe snot contain his full essence. It might have access to his full energy reserves, but it does not contain all that is Eternity because all that is Eternity is all that is along the chronal access.
Very simple to understand and with on panel backing.
Eternity is all along the chronal axis, that is his totality, unless an Mbody contains all that is, meaning that there is an absence of time and all along that axis on panel, nothing but that Mbody, then as is obviously the case the Mbody is just a representation of Eternity with access to his full power. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't care what Eternity states if it contradicts historical facts.Eternity saying the IG would in-affectove against his supposed "totality" is nonsense.
Because Eternity battled Thanos for control of the Universe,
and Thanos stomped and replaced him.I know, I now, now you're gonna try and say Eternity didn't come at full power,
although his existence was on the line.
Eternity never said the IG in general would be ineffective, his statement came following an attack from Adam, therefore when taken in context hes referring to that attack specifically.
So what his statement shows you is that Mbodys dont necessarily contain an abstracts full essence, whilst they no doubt could be imbued with an abstracts full essence, doing so would put the universe they tend to at risk. Therefore instead they imbue Mbodys with a portion of their essence and with full access to their power if need be.
On panel proof from the subject in question. If Eternity makes it clear that Mbodies dont necessarily contain an abstracts totality and past on panel evidence shows what happens when an abstracts full essence is gathered up, then its quite clear you are very much mistaken.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAll waffle that doesnt actually provide any counter evidence, you just dont want to agree. LT removed Slorioth from the battlefield. No need to exaggerate the feat. Try just relaying whats depicted and stated clear as day. Just try it
See how easy that is to type. 🙂
The rest is a rotating wheel of inconsequentialities.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNo. What you consider is how little attention the average pubescent KMC reader pays to your "evidence" allowing you to quite impressively convince them to see that which is not actually on panel
See, I can type the same garbage and think I'm 😎 too.
Originally posted by GalacticStormEither i consistently over estimate your ability to comprehend
and process basic logic or you're just damn good at playing the foolWhat those scans show is that when the full essence of an abstract is gathered up, there is an absence of that concept in reality resulting in disastrous consequences as clearly illustrated.
An Mbody being able to access and tap into an abstrcats full power reserve and an Mbody containing the full essence and being of an abstract are two completely different things.
Unless we see an absence of time on panel whenever the Eternity manifests an Mbody then that Mbody conclusively doe snot contain his full essence. It might have access to his full energy reserves, but it does not contain all that is Eternity because all that is Eternity is all that is along the chronal access.
Very simple to understand and with on panel backing.
Eternity is all along the chronal axis, that is his totality, unless an Mbody contains all that is, meaning that there is an absence of time and all along that axis on panel, nothing but that Mbody, then as is obviously the case the Mbody is just a representation of Eternity with access to his full power.
You still the man in the business of such ... 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStormEternity never said the IG in general would be ineffective, his statement came following an attack from Adam, therefore when taken in context hes referring to that attack specifically.
So what his statement shows you is that Mbodys dont necessarily contain an abstracts full essence, whilst they no doubt could be imbued with an abstracts full essence, doing so would put the universe they tend to at risk. Therefore instead they imbue Mbodys with a portion of their essence and with full access to their power if need be.
On panel proof from the subject in question. If Eternity makes it clear that Mbodies dont necessarily contain an abstracts totality and past on panel evidence shows what happens when an abstracts full essence is gathered up, then its quite clear you are very much mistaken.
Originally posted by Mr Master(Up top, under Powers/Abilities)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the full power of the original being"
Originally posted by GalacticStormMr Master you have a lot to learn. Debate to uncover the truth, do not debate merely to try and sway people to believe your views on how things should be in Marvel.
This drivel had me nearly on the floor with laughter in light of the irony.
Originally posted by Mr Master
All waffle that doesnt actually provide any counter evidence, you just dont want to agree.See how easy that is to type. 🙂
The rest is a rotating wheel of inconsequentialities.
No. What you consider is how little attention the average pubescent
KMC reader pays to your "evidence" allowing you to quite
impressively convince them to see that which is not actually on
panel.See, I can type the same garbage and think I'm 😎 too.
Same ol' unsupported mis-interpreted self serving logic
coupled with deliberate contortion of facts sprinkled with a personal touch of bull shitYou still the man in the business of such ... 👆
So with nothing to say you resort to juvenile mocking as expected. Its been your way for 5 years my friend 🙂
Unsupported? Its shown clearly on panel and im just relaying whats shown and stated.
If Eternity is all along the chronal axis, then if he is going to put all he is in an mbody then all that is the chronal axis would not be found anywhere but within that Mbody.
Very simple.
As shown in that What If, if all that is eternity is summed up into a humanoid form then all that he is is no longer present in the universe and the result is catastrophe.
All youve shown of note is that an Mbody can have access to an abstracts full power. Thats not in dispute. However what you fail to comprehend or what youre ignoring and playing dumb to because it doesnt coincide with youre fantasy of a marvel hierarchy is that that is different to all that Eternity is being contained within that Mbody.
Are you serious?
If the Mbody contains all that is the universe, then how does that Mbody walk around within the universe? 🙄
What a mess your theory is.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the Mbody contains all that is the universe, then how does that Mbody walk around within the universe? 🙄
😂
i remember having this debate once upon a time. and yeah, i'm with you. an mbody DOES indeed have access to all the abstract's power, but it cannot logically be the totality of said abstract. i should dig back and see of i can find that particular debate.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂i remember having this debate once upon a time. and yeah, i'm with you. an mbody DOES indeed have access to all the abstract's power, but it cannot logically be the totality of said abstract. i should dig back and see of i can find that particular debate.
Originally posted by leonidas
for those who want to know more about mbodies than anyone needs to, check out THIS classic.....
You had it right back then Leonidas.
No one can credibly argue that Mbodies contain all that is an abstract if what that abstract embodies still exists outside of said Mbody.
Eternity is the embodiment of the chronal axis of the universe. His Mbody cannot sum up and contain all that is Eternity and walk around in the universe that is Eternity.
That is completely nonsensical.
His only evidence is a marvunapp statement saying that the mbodies have access to the full power of the abstract. I dont doubt that, never have, but being able to draw on and tap into an abstracts energy reserves and containing all that is the abstract, all of their essence and being are two separate things.
Ive posted evidence of what happens when Eternity draws all of his essence away into his humanoid form....
Disastrous effects on reality. That doesnt happen everytime Eternity uses an Mbody. Why? Because Eternity doesnt imbue one with all that he is. He allows one full access to his energy reserves without investing in it all of his self.
Eternity is attacked by Adam Warlock and his Mbody his visibly hurt. He then remarks that that same blast would have little affect if it was directed at his totality:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/807/totality.jpg/
What does that tell you? That an Mbody can NOT be assumed to contain an abstracts full essence. Eternity the main entity in question here makes a clear distinction between his totality ( the universe) and his mbody.
