Pre retcon Molecule Man vs Thanos w/Infinity Gauntlet.

Started by zopzop12 pages
Originally posted by Nihilist
Him wiping the floor with Sloriath the omniverse(whatever it was called) and LT was gonna replace the main 616 universe with the ultimate universe with a simple gesture.

Yup I'm aware of those.

a) He didn't beat Sloriath in a fight. He BFRed him to another dimension and Sloriath didn't fight back because he was able to continue to feed (that's basically all he wanted to do anyway).

b) Could that have been an idle threat? When has the LT ever done anything on that level on panel?

Stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stalemate.
Really?

Please tell me how you think this, and this is not me been a usual ass..im generly intrested to know.

Originally posted by zopzop
[B]Yup I'm aware of those.

a) He didn't beat Sloriath in a fight. He BFRed him to another dimension and Sloriath didn't fight back because he was able to continue to feed (that's basically all he wanted to do anyway).

So him not been scared to face someone Onmiversal in power proves LT not wanting to face Beyonder as pure bullshit.

b) Could that have been an idle threat? When has the LT ever done anything on that level on panel?
No as LT was all set to do it untill talked out of it.

That lvl!! he reversed the effect of the IG with a twitch of his finger, the same IG power that was able to become the main 616 universe itself.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So him not been scared to face someone Onmiversal in power proves LT not wanting to face Beyonder as pure bullshit.

No as LT was all set to do it untill talked out of it.

That lvl!! he reversed the effect of the IG with a twitch of his finger, the same IG power that was able to become the main 616 universe itself.

He knew all Sloriath wanted to do was feast, so he opened up a gate into a new realm where he could feast in peace. This is at best a BFR feat on willing opponent.

Regarding the IG affair :
a) the affected beings were only M-bodies of the actual cosmics, Eternity said so himself during the trial and it was repeated again during a later issue of Quasar. that whole trial was a clusterfxxk, how could Eternity and Order/Chaos be swept away in that blast, yet Ziran the Celestial stand his ground?
b) he only had control over the Gems once Warlock submitted to his judgement. Since if he could shut them off without the Gem wielders consent, he would have done so at the beginning and wouldn't have to worry about a universe wrecking fight.

Slorioth the Omnivorous

And scene with Ziran is awesome

Told yall Celestials rock

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Originally posted by bbrem123

so wait...wouldnt 616 be consider a multiverse?


Nah.

The 616 Reality is a single Universe.

BUT! ...

The 616 Reality is the core of the Marvelverse, the foundation of all that is,
and in fact,
it is from 616 that all other diverged/alternate/parallel universes derive from.

Therefore while Eternity/Infinity's Conceptual purpose spans all creation,
the center of that expansion is 616.

Originally posted by

He knew all Sloriath wanted to do was feast, so he opened up a
gate into a new realm where he could feast in peace.
This is at best a BFR feat on willing opponent.


Actually I have that issue,
and I posted the relevant scans in the LT respect I created years ago.

I have to disagree here though friend.

The LT one shot Slorioth into another dimension,
it was not just a bfr.

I don't know who came up with that a while back but it's not true.

Originally posted by


Regarding the IG affair :
a) the affected beings were only M-bodies of the actual cosmics,
Eternity said so himself during the trial and it was repeated again
during a later issue of Quasar. that whole trial was a clusterfxxk,
how could Eternity and Order/Chaos be swept away in that blast,
yet Ziran the Celestial stand his ground?

b) he only had control over the Gems once Warlock submitted to
his judgement. Since if he could shut them off without the Gem
wielders consent, he would have done so at the beginning and
wouldn't have to worry about a universe wrecking fight.


a) M-bodys contain the Full power of the Concept they embody.
I have proof but I'm not in the mood to find the issue and crop,
but I will if I must.

"Ziran?" ... come on, the artist was just being diverse in the action,
I really don't think the artist was trying to make your point.

What Eternity said was bull shit
proven when he came at Thanos full force and was stomped in one move,
in the prior story.

He's lied before too.
I remember him trying to pull that visualization drivel on Protege
when Beyonder and Protege blew his form apart.
The thing is, they were within the Dimension of Manifestations,
and Eternity instantly could've reconstituted a new Fractal form
since there's an infinite amount of m-body shells of Eternity just lying around.
Eternity embodies the consciousness of all living things including clever humans and more,
he says whatever he has to say at times to get his resolve.

The Quasar scenario
has been torn out of context completely by agenda minded individuals.

b) The LT was above the IG, simple and put.

The LT allowing Warlock to submit was standard issue for the LT,
the LT demonstrated his superiority when he not only withstood but reversed the IG affect completely,
and then went on to state: "I represent forces that dwarf even your might"

Obviously signifying that since he represents the power of TOAA in this incident,
his power is above Warlock.
Warlock is dubious about the LT's firm statement
but later admitted that he obeyed the LT, it wasn't just simple "must" consent.

I agree though, the LT would have had to battle for the IG, a battle the LT would've won.

Interestingly and coincidentally, during Infinity War, the follow up to the Infinity Gauntlet affair,
the LT powered up the Gauntlet with a single phrase.

So, IMO from the evidence I've gathered, it has always stood, that as long the LT's faces agree,
he's basically unstoppable with the anomaly exceptions that are THOTI
and Protege a millennia later accompanied by the mysterious Scathan.

That aside, Owen Reece still wins here stomp style. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interestingly and coincidentally, during Infinity War, the follow up to the Infinity Gauntlet affair,
the LT powered up the Gauntlet with a single phrased.
He didn't power the gems up so much as lift his former ruling that they could not be used in unison, no?

Originally posted by Galan007

He didn't power the gems up so much as lift his former ruling that they could not be used in unison, no?


Right, but it seems that translates to the IG's significance depending on the LT.

I think I used the wrong term, I didn't mean he literally gives the IG its power,
we all know the IG's power is inherent from the Infinity Being.
I meant it's up to the LT (at that time at-least) for that power to be relevant or not.

You feel me?

^ Figured that's what you meant. Just didn't know if something had been brought to the table that I was unaware of. 👆

Concerning LT's power/authority, I think these scans speak volumes...

"The infinite embassy. It sits at the top of earth's cluster of dimensions, overlooking them all. And yes, I know, bear with me... It was created by the Living Tribunal, head-judge of all the exists[...] They say that all realities' embassies are one in the same. And if you know the way you can emerge anywhere, and anywhen[...] But everyone agrees on one thing: you come in peace. Otherwise the Living Tribunal gets a tad touchy. And generally speaking, unless you want your existence privileges revoked, that's a bad idea":

Sidenote: LT is quite an uber techie. 😉

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"Is he God?"

"No, he's not God. He's just the biggest kid in all the playgrounds... And if he knows the principal, he' not exactly chatty about it":

^^ Nice. 👆

I don't even have those ... damn, the ol' Mr M is out the loop.

Ah well, there's always the *ganja stoned

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They're from Journey Into Mystery #627 if you're interested.

Thanks. I'll get right on those seems like my kinda read indeed.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And in the same breath it was said Thanos could only be defeated if he wanted too, and the simple reason Thanos never effected other universes is because he never wanted too. LOL why should i get warned all i said was you lied and used BS.

He was never defeated because he never fought the Tribunal or anyone at the multiversal level. He affected on universe while MM fixed the entire multiverse. If he's never done it before, the burden is on you to prove he can affect the multiverse and as easily as MM did. Good luck. He ain't got feats to support it.


You on the other hand constantly ignored what i asked several times and continued to post childish stuff again and again No it was pis ,Owen didnt do a single thing battle wise LT couldnt do

How come he stood by while Beyonder erased Death? He was clearly against it and yet it was MM who was the only making threats. The only one Beyonder even recognized as a challenge to him? LT didn't do squat. He stood on the sidelines while MM fought the Beyonder. At least with the IG, he reversed it's attack like it meant nothing. He had power and authority over it. Yet against Beyonder, he objected to it and yet couldn't do a thing. This isn't hard.

hmm did lt know beyonder was gonna lose

i have always wondered that

shooter still is writing good books

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Originally posted by guy222

did lt know beyonder was gonna lose

i have always wondered that [/B]


Considering Beyonder never lost at the end of SSII, I'd say no.

That aside, I'd bet Beyonder was incomprehensible to the LT
since the LT and all reality around him was but a drop of water to his ocean.

Basically meaning, the LT was unaware of Beyonder's destiny,
that,
and the fact that Beyonder was Shooter's poster boy for his own "god-like" complex.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He was never defeated because he never fought the Tribunal or anyone at the multiversal level. He affected on universe while MM fixed the entire multiverse. If he's never done it before, the burden is on you to prove he can affect the multiverse and as easily as MM did. Good luck. He ain't got feats to support it.

How come he stood by while Beyonder erased Death? He was clearly against it and yet it was MM who was the only making threats. The only one Beyonder even recognized as a challenge to him? LT didn't do squat. He stood on the sidelines while MM fought the Beyonder. At least with the IG, he reversed it's attack like it meant nothing. He had power and authority over it. Yet against Beyonder, he objected to it and yet couldn't do a thing. This isn't hard.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Considering Beyonder never lost at the end of SSII, I'd say no.

That aside, I'd bet Beyonder was incomprehensible to the LT
since the LT and all reality around him was but a drop of water to his ocean.

Basically meaning, the LT was unaware of Beyonder's destiny,
that,
and the fact that Beyonder was Shooter's poster boy for his own "god-like" complex.

always appreciate the help mr. m 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Considering Beyonder never lost at the end of SSII, I'd say no.

That aside, I'd bet Beyonder was incomprehensible to the LT
since the LT and all reality around him was but a drop of water to his ocean.

Basically meaning, the LT was unaware of Beyonder's destiny,
that,
and the fact that Beyonder was Shooter's poster boy for his own "god-like" complex.


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