Originally posted by Mr Master
😐The scans themselves have me saying the LT one-shotted Slorioth,
not the simple bfr you're suggesting.
He BFRed an opponent so he could eat at a different location! His opponent didn't even have a reason to fight back, since he could now eat in peace without interruption. That's not exactly a spectacular feat.
On panel doesn't say otherwise, I've researched this subject in-depth friend,
this debate's been done ample times in the past.Your perspective on what Ziran never did doesn't change this Marvel fact:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the [b]full power
of the original being"------------------------------
Let me know when you have proof of any kind that even remotely suggests
that M-bodys come in fragmented scales of power,
or any other idea you're attempting to push other than the Marvel established fact. [/B]
My proof is the on panel time Ziran resisted Warlock's shockwaves at the Trial while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away. He resisted, not once, but twice! On panel. How could this be unless M-bodies are NOT the totality of the abstract exactly like Eternity said at the trial?
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know since I never said the LT bfr'd anyone.I said the LT one-shotted Slorioth.
Uhh, you know,
I'ma hit ya so hard you gonna go flyin into someplace else, yeeah.And your point's still wrong. As I simply cleared up how the feat went.
So youre trying to say that LT struck Slorioth who was then propelled to another location or would you say LT struck him with energy and Slorioth was subsequently transported elsewhere. Which of those actually happened? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Mr Master
You got a problem, email Marvel and ask why did that.
Oh dont be silly mate. You're no problem at all 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not at all since for the most part it has nothing to do with Marvel Comics.
You mean it has nothing to do with how you see Marvel comics 🙂
I will once again reiterate my very logical points.
M-bodys are there for entities to have a physical presence either because they lack one or they cant physically get to where they want to be represented
As stated Mbodys can access the full power of an entity
However there is a difference between an Mbody being able to tap into an abstracts energy reserves and the abstract and all of their essence being summed up and contained within an Mbody
If all that Eternity is, if the sum of his being was contained within an Mbody, then the concept of time would not exist anywhere outside of that Mbody for Eternity is the sum of the chronal axis within any given Marvel reality.
Case in point-
Here is an example of when Eternity summons all his essence, all that he represents and takes it away from reality-
It collapses.
Eternity and Death joined in a single entity leave one universe and walk into another timeless, deathless universe thereby introducing the concepts of time and death to it allowing time to progress and the Big Bang to go off in this alternate universe-
The original universe robbed of the concepts of time and death because the abstracts summed it up into one form collapses on itself-
In the same way if Eternity was to gather up all of his essence and imbue it in an Mbody, there would be no time anywhere else and the effects on the universe would be catastrophic. We have never seen this happen in 616 when Eternity has utilized Mbodies.
Why?
Because whilst they house some of his essence and can access his full power, they DO NOT contain his full essence otherwise the universe would end and we would see that very visibly on panel 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I always do enjoy how you make me smile though.
Are you sure i make you smile Mr Master? 😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
See ya friend.
Ciao 😎
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If all that Eternity is, if the sum of his being was contained within an Mbody, then the concept of time would not exist anywhere outside of that Mbody for Eternity is the sum of the chronal axis within any given Marvel reality.
That didn't happen when Magus supposedly comatosed Eternity during Infinity War.
Originally posted by cdtmYeah, I always found the M-body = depowered argument a copout, because ANYTIME you see an abstract interacting in the physical plane, it will be via an M-body. Generally, if you can see them as a character, they're using an M body, because without one they're just a formless concept... hence, abstract being.
Originally posted by zopzop
He BFRed an opponent so he could eat at a different location! His opponent didn't even have a reason to fight back, since he could now eat in peace without interruption. That's not exactly a spectacular feat.
The fact is though,
that the LT struck (one-shotted) Slorioth into another dimension.
The LT did NOT bfr (as in teleport) Slorioth someplace else.
btw. I wasn't trying to quantify this feat with impression,
I was only correcting the specifics of the feat.
The LT has done much greater than this.
Originally posted by zopzop
My proof is the on panel time Ziran resisted Warlock's shockwaves
at the Trial while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away.
He resisted, not once, but twice! On panel.
Not even something that might possibly allude to your point being valid?
Nice,
so please return when you have something of significance to counter friend.
Yea, a Celestial's shell resisted (in any way) the IG's fury. ❌
Yea,
the same shells that have been cracked by Thor, & Phoenix and Galactus. 😂
Originally posted by zopzop
How could this be unless M-bodies are NOT the totality of the
abstract exactly like Eternity said at the trial?
Oh,
you mean Eternity who came to battle the IG in the prior story,
yet got stomped and his totality replaced?
Stomped!
Replaced!
Mr M ~~~> eagerly awaits the next bull shit to dismantle.
You must've overlooked this,
it was my reply to your question regarding Eternity at the trial:
Originally posted by Mr MasterI explained that to ya before, geesh.
Eternity was trying to win a case,
he said some nonsense to distract Warlock's confidence,
yet it wasn't true cause Thanos stomped him the prior issue,
and we know Eternity came to battle, at full power,
or is it that yall think a Concept never manifests at full power? 😐Cause all I keep seeing is, "oh well, it was an M-body so .. " huh?
So when is it not just a so-called diminished M-body, when is it full power?
This is just me entertaining yall for I know M-bodys ARE the FULL Power of the Concept.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSo youre trying to say that LT struck Slorioth who was then propelled to another location or would you say LT struck him with energy and Slorioth was subsequently transported elsewhere. Which of those actually happened?
The LT attacked Slorioth, and Slorioth went hurtling into another dimension.
Now did the LT open a portal before hand
and them bashed Slorioth into it, can't say.
Did the LT bash Slorioth so hard
that he caused Slorioth to rip through & into another dimension, can't say.
What I do know for sure,
is that the LT did not harmlessly teleport Slorioth away.
This is why I simply put it as,
the LT one-shotted Slorioth into another dimension,
cause that's all the on panel evidence shows.
Originally posted by GalacticStormOh dont be silly mate. You're no problem at all
Originally posted by GalacticStormI will once again reiterate my very logical points.
Originally posted by GalacticStormM-bodys are there for entities to have a physical presence either because
they lack one or they cant physically get to where they want to be representedAs stated Mbodys can access the full power of an entity
Originally posted by GalacticStormHowever there is a difference between an Mbody being able to tap into an abstracts energy reserves
and the abstract and all of their essence being summed up and contained within an Mbody
If all that Eternity is, if the sum of his being was contained within an Mbody, then the concept of time would not exist anywhere outside of that Mbody for Eternity is the sum of the chronal axis within any given Marvel reality.
Case in point-
Here is an example of when Eternity summons all his essence,
all that he represents and takes it away from reality-
It collapses.
Eternity and Death joined in a single entity leave one universe and walk into another timeless, deathless universe thereby introducing the concepts of time and death to it allowing time to progress and the Big Bang to go off in this alternate universe-
The original universe robbed of the concepts of time and death because the abstracts summed it up into one form collapses on itself-
In the same way if Eternity was to gather up all of his essence and imbue it in an Mbody, there would be no time anywhere else and the effects on the universe would be catastrophic. We have never seen this happen in 616 when Eternity has utilized Mbodies.
Why?
Because whilst they house some of his essence and can access his full power, they [B]DO NOT contain his full essence otherwise the universe would end and we would see that very visibly on panel [/B]
That "What If" story he's using from 25 years ago has nothing to do with our debate,
in fact, there was no knowledge or understanding or info in Marvel regarding M-bodys.
M-bodys is a concept that was developed years later.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate,
and in fact, all it does is strengthen my case.
But to entertain his post:
That's the story of the "Entity" a being composed of Eternity/Death and mutants of Earth.
The Entity took it's form (years later known as M-body) which houses it's spirit/consciousness,
and left it's current Universe to produce another under its own terms.
By purposely removing it's spirit/consciousness (Space-Time) from its location,
to designate it in another continuum, this of course left the continuum they left behind, empty.
Since well, in that "What If" story Eternity/Death were the Universe,
so simply no Eternity/no Death, = no universe.
Originally posted by zopzopCorrect!
Originally posted by zopzopDon't forget that time in 616 reality when Eternity was speaking to
Galactus face to face, he manifested totally in an M-body totally and
the universe disappeared. It stayed gone till he exited his M-body.
Dude seriously, ya gotta stop copying fragmented scans
and posting them as the whole story.
The Universe didn't disappear. 😂 The Universe is Eternity,
at that time (again with these freaking 20+ years ago examples)
Eternity manifested in this way,
by materializing out of the stuff surrounding the page.
In that scenario with Galactus, Silver Surfer and Nova witnessed the whole thing,
and described it afterward.
You're again taking the artist's interpretation and flipping it upside down.
The artist is conveying the idea that a living Universe materializes into a form,
in order to do this (first time in an SS book btw)
the artist shows us the reality around swirling and becoming a figure which is Eternity.
You do realize
it doesn't work that way anymore,
you do realize
that Concepts use M-bodys which are retrieved from the Dimension of Manifestations.
Originally posted by zopzopThat didn't happen when Magus supposedly comatosed Eternity during Infinity War.
Since Eternity's M-body was comatose,
the actual physical Universe was in disarray and easy pickings.
Proof that current M-body = direct link to the actual concept they represent.
This is why Maelstrom
was able to replace Anomaly simply by taking out the M-body.
This is why Thanos replaced Eternity by simply taking out the M-body
Originally posted by Mr Master
Spectacular or not, is up to the individual.The fact is though,
that the LT struck (one-shotted) Slorioth into another dimension.The LT did NOT bfr (as in teleport) Slorioth someplace else.
btw. I wasn't trying to quantify this feat with impression,
I was only correcting the specifics of the feat.The LT has done much greater than this.
So you still have absolutely NO proof at all?
Not even something that might possibly allude to your point being valid?
Nice,
so please return when you have something of significance to counter friend.Yea, a Celestial's shell resisted (in any way) the IG's fury. ❌
Yea,
the same shells that have been cracked by Thor, & Phoenix and Galactus. 😂... "like Eternity said?" ...
Oh,
replaced?
you mean Eternity who came to battle the IG in the prior story,
yet got stomped and his [b]totalityStomped!
Replaced!
Mr M ~~~> eagerly awaits the next bull shit to dismantle.
You must've overlooked this,
it was my reply to your question regarding Eternity at the trial: [/B]
Wall of texts don't prove anything.
A) Sliorath was BFRed into another dimension where he could feed in peace (even you said this in your original respect thread). THis isn't much of a feat since the LT didn't defeat Sliorath in any way. Sliorath wouldn't resist the BFR because he's not being deprived of food just being transported to a dimension where he could eat without being harassed by others.
B) M-bodies are not the totality of the abstract because at the Trial of Adam Warlock, Ziran withstood Warlock's tantrums while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away or on their knees. This happened not once but twice.
C) Proof that that ONE M-body of Eternity was in a coma while others were alive and well in the Dimension of Manifestations. Maelstrom didn't kill Anomaly we've gone through this before. The Cosmos in Collision arc and the followup issues make this clear. When Eternity/Infinity and Death/Oblivion were discussing who keeps who because of the new contract, Anomaly's name isn't mentioned at all. Later still in this issue we are discussing, Anomaly appears and is POed that Quasar invoked his aspect without asking him (during the Cosmos in Collision arc in Quasar), why would he be pissed if he was DEAD at the time. How could Quasar ask a dead being for permission?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Incorrect!😆
Dude seriously, ya gotta stop copying fragmented scans
and posting them as the whole story.The Universe didn't disappear. 😂 The Universe is Eternity,
at that time (again with these freaking 20+ years ago examples)
Eternity manifested in this way,
by materializing out of the stuff surrounding the page.In that scenario with Galactus, Silver Surfer and Nova witnessed the whole thing,
and described it afterward.You're again taking the artist's interpretation and flipping it upside down.
The artist is conveying the idea that a living Universe materializes into a form,
in order to do this (first time in an SS book btw)
the artist shows us the reality around swirling and becoming a figure which is Eternity.You do realize
it doesn't work that way anymore,
you do realize
that Concepts use M-bodys which are retrieved from the Dimension of Manifestations.Heh, .... all that happened in Infinity War was:
Since Eternity's M-body was comatose,
the actual physical Universe was in disarray and easy pickings.Proof that current M-body = direct link to the actual concept they represent.
This is why Maelstrom
was able to replace Anomaly simply by taking out the M-body.This is why Thanos replaced Eternity by simply taking out the M-body
Where did the rest of the universe go when Galactus and Eternity were having their little conversation? With the exception of Galactus/Nova/Surfer/Eternity there was nothing there but a white plane.
Originally posted by zopzopWall of texts don't prove anything.
Nah.
Originally posted by zopzopA) Sliorath was BFRed into another dimension where he could feed in peace (even you said this in your original respect thread). THis isn't much of a feat since the LT didn't defeat Sliorath in any way. Sliorath wouldn't resist the BFR because he's not being deprived of food just being transported to a dimension where he could eat without being harassed by others.
All I did was clear up the fallacy of how he rid that reality of Slorioth.
Originally posted by zopzopB) M-bodies are not the totality of the abstract because at the Trial of Adam Warlock, Ziran withstood Warlock's tantrums while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away or on their knees. This happened not once but twice.
And ... You're repeating the same un-supported fantasy.
No need to reply to this with anything different.
Originally posted by zopzopC) Proof that that ONE M-body of Eternity was in a coma while
others were alive and well in the Dimension of Manifestations.
Sorry friend, still nothing.
I'll reply in-depth as I always do,
when something of significance exists to counter.
Originally posted by zopzopMaelstrom didn't kill Anomaly we've gone through this before.
The Cosmos in Collision arc and the followup issues make this clear.
When Eternity/Infinity and Death/Oblivion were discussing who
keeps who because of the new contract, Anomaly's name isn't
mentioned at all. Later still in this issue we are discussing, Anomaly
appears and is POed that Quasar invoked his aspect without asking
him (during the Cosmos in Collision arc in Quasar), why would he
be pissed if he was DEAD at the time. How could Quasar ask a dead
being for permission?
As soon as maelstrom lost that station,
the original sentience returned to rightful place.
This is the same exact scenario as Thanos replacing Eternity.
As soon as Thanos lost his position as the Eternity,
the original sentience instantly returned to it's rightful place.
Now, had Thanos or Maelstrom erased/nullified the concept itself,
then, the original sentience is truly dead, and the affect is then felt on reality.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh but you wall of OVER-SIZED scans does?Nah.
I never said anything about the LT defeating Slorioth.
All I did was clear up the fallacy of how he rid that reality of Slorioth.
Addressed above:
And ... You're repeating the same un-supported fantasy.
No need to reply to this with anything different.
Addressed as well.
Sorry friend, still nothing.
I'll reply in-depth as I always do,
when something of significance exists to counter.The original sentience of the abstract Concept embodying the Anomaly
was not erased, ... it was replaced.As soon as maelstrom lost that station,
the original sentience returned to rightful place.This is the same exact scenario as Thanos replacing Eternity.
As soon as Thanos lost his position as the Eternity,
the original sentience instantly returned to it's rightful place.Now, had Thanos or Maelstrom erased/nullified the concept itself,
then, the original sentience is truly dead, and the affect is then felt on reality.
A) The LT merely removed Sliorath from one reality and into another where he could feast in peace. Saying anything more than that is reaching. Badly.
B) Ziran resisted TWICE while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were thrown about, the only other M-body that held it's ground was the LT's. This wouldn't be the case if every M-body housed the abstracts full power, seeing as how there were other M-bodies floating around that Dimension fully conscious and going about their business (the Trial of Adam Warlock being just one example).
C) Maelstrom claimed he killed Anomaly, all he did was slay an M-body. Quasar even made mention of this in the issue where he was searching for Eternity.
Yes you 'reply in depth' but most of it is bloviating based on how you think events should have gone down and not what was shown on panel.
Originally posted by zopzopWhere did the rest of the universe go when Galactus and Eternity
were having their little conversation? With the exception of
Galactus/Nova/Surfer/Eternity there was nothing there but a white plane.
That was Eternity's first appearance in a Silver Surfer issue almost 25 years ago.
Again, it was the writer/artists introducing a new entity to his readers.
The best way for us to understand what he's conveying
was to illustrate space taken on form,
which simply defines Eternity as what he is, the Universe.
Eternity has done this before in old Dr Strange issues just to talk.
When the M-body concept was introduced to Marvel
we learned of a new method for abstract beings taking on form.
But, it's kinda funny
yall think Eternity coming to have a conversation with Galactus and/or Strange,
results needing to manifest his full power.
Yet when his freakin existence is on the line (IG scenarios)
yall think he comes with something less.
😐
Originally posted by zopzopA) The LT merely removed Sliorath from one reality and into
another where he could feast in peace. Saying anything more than
that is reaching. Badly.
Originally posted by zopzopB) Ziran resisted TWICE while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were thrown about, the only other M-body that held it's ground was the LT's. This wouldn't be the case if every M-body housed the abstracts full power, seeing as how there were other M-bodies floating around that Dimension fully conscious and going about their business (the Trial of Adam Warlock being just one example).
I appreciate the effort friend, but not yet.
Originally posted by zopzopC) Maelstrom claimed he killed Anomaly, all he did was slay an M-body. Quasar even made mention of this in the issue where he was searching for Eternity.
Dude, are you messing with me?
Cause I gotta get high too if we're gonna joke around.
GIve me 10 minutes, I'm about to light up,
I'll be back and we can laugh together.
Originally posted by zopzopYes you 'reply in depth' but most of it is bloviating based on how
you think events should have gone down and not what was shown
on panel.
So, I'll se ya after I'm stoned
