Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually I have that issue,
and I posted the relevant scans in the LT respect I created years ago.I have to disagree here though friend.
The LT one shot Slorioth into another dimension,
it was not just a bfr.I don't know who came up with that a while back but it's not true.
It's absolutely true. The LT merely BFRed a willing opponent into another dimension where he could feast in peace. That's all that happened.
a) M-bodys contain the Full power of the Concept they embody.
I have proof but I'm not in the mood to find the issue and crop,
but I will if I must."Ziran?" ... come on, the artist was just being diverse in the action,
I really don't think the artist was trying to make your point.
How would that be possible since there are multiple M-bodies of cosmic beings representing them even after the events they were present at have already transpired? The dimension of manifestations was full of M-bodies from various time periods. Every single one of those M-bodies has the full power of the abstract it represents? Really? Then during the Infinity War, Magus with the 5 CCU's never had Eternity in a coma, because in that very issue where Quasar discovers Eternity in a coma, there's another M-body of Eternity at the Trial of Adam Warlock alive and conscious.
And the fact remains, that BOTH times Adam was discharging energy from the IG, Ziran held his ground while supposedly more powerful abstracts were sent flying. How can that be if the M-bodies contain the full power of the abstract or cosmic they represent?
Originally posted by zopzopIt's absolutely true. The LT merely BFRed a willing opponent into another dimension where he could feast in peace. That's all that happened.
How would that be possible since there are multiple M-bodies of cosmic beings representing them even after the events they were present at have already transpired? The dimension of manifestations was full of M-bodies from various time periods. Every single one of those M-bodies has the full power of the abstract it represents? Really? Then during the Infinity War, Magus with the 5 CCU's never had Eternity in a coma, because in that very issue where Quasar discovers Eternity in a coma, there's another M-body of Eternity at the Trial of Adam Warlock alive and conscious.
And the fact remains, that BOTH times Adam was discharging energy from the IG, Ziran held his ground while supposedly more powerful abstracts were sent flying. How can that be if the M-bodies contain the full power of the abstract or cosmic they represent? [/B]
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Exactly. What is the point of having M Bodies if they always have the full essence of an entity within them. That is non-sensical. Their purpose is so that the entity can have a presence somewhere.
Each of the abstracts embody a universal concept. If their full essence was contained within one of their mbodies then that concept wouldnt exist anywhere else in reality which would obviously be disastrous any time an Mbody was used.
The very fact that there were multiple Eternity M Bodies from different time frames at once as you rightly said zopzop shows that it cant be assumed that Mbodies possess the full power of the entity they are representing. 🙂
Originally posted by zopzop
It's absolutely true.
The LT merely BFRed a willing opponent into another dimension where he could feast in peace.
That's all that happened.
I have the issue, and that's not what happened.
LT one-shotted Slorioth into another dimension, that's what's absolutely true.
Originally posted by zopzop
How would that be possible since there are multiple M-bodies of cosmic beings representing them even after the events they were present at have already transpired? The dimension of manifestations was full of M-bodies from various time periods. Every single one of those M-bodies has the full power of the abstract it represents? Really? Then during the Infinity War, Magus with the 5 CCU's never had Eternity in a coma, because in that very issue where Quasar discovers Eternity in a coma, there's another M-body of Eternity at the Trial of Adam Warlock alive and conscious.
I never said anything about the M-bodies (actually shells)
floating around the Dimension of Manifestations.
I'm talking about M-bodys that are functional,
active and can affect/or be affected by their surroundings.
Now, it's a Marvel comics fact, that the Concepts have t manifest and engage,
they do this by using M-bodys to manifest their full power.
Originally posted by zopzop
And the fact remains, that BOTH times Adam was discharging energy from the IG, Ziran held his ground while supposedly more powerful abstracts were sent flying. How can that be if the M-bodies contain the full power of the abstract or cosmic they represent?
Warlock blew everyone away,
and the only one that obviously was immune was the LT.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah.I have the issue, and that's not what happened.
LT one-shotted Slorioth into another dimension, that's what's absolutely true.
Uhm you provided the scan MM. The LT BFRed a willing opponent. He BFRed him into another dimension where he could continue to feast. That's all that happened.
You're driving yourself into a circle of unattached logic.I never said anything about the M-bodies (actually shells)
floating around the Dimension of Manifestations.I'm talking about M-bodys that are functional,
active and can affect/or be affected by their surroundings.Now, it's a Marvel comics fact, that the Concepts have t manifest and engage,
they do this by using M-bodys to manifest their full power.
But this isn't true. Even the "old" M-bodies in the Dimension of Manifestations were conversing with others that were NOT part of the timeline where the events took place. Quasar first stumbled upon Eternity's M-body during Warlock's trial. The M-body looked pissed and refused to talk to him, the LT's M-body was enraged that they were interrupting the proceedings and Anamoly shooed them away. How can they interrupt an event that already took place? Obviously those M-bodies were functional and aware of their surroundings.
You keep on with the artist's freedom of keeping the scene with traffic,
when at no time is there any mention of Ziran being able to withstand,
or being able to do anything at all special that differentiates him from the rest.Warlock blew everyone away,
and the only one that obviously was immune was the LT.
Ziran was NEVER blown back. He was on his feet and bracing against the attack. Other M-bodies representing supposedly more powerful abstracts were thrown around though.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah.I have the issue, and that's not what happened.
LT one-shotted Slorioth into another dimension, that's what's absolutely true.
Thats what he said. Both of your descriptions pertain to LT removing and depositing Slorioth into another dimension. I take it Zopzop just didnt make it read as impressive as you'd like? 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're driving yourself into a circle of unattached logic.I never said anything about the M-bodies (actually shells)
floating around the Dimension of Manifestations.I'm talking about M-bodys that are functional,
active and can affect/or be affected by their surroundings.Now, it's a Marvel comics fact, that the Concepts have t manifest and engage,
they do this by using M-bodys to manifest their full power.
They are entities that embody a universal concept. The M Bodies are merely there to provide a physical presence for them because they have none. Whilst im not doubting that if they wished to imbue an M Body with their full essence they could the fact that doing so would necessitate robbing the rest of the universe of that concept they embody makes it very unlikely that they ever would do. Otherwise they would be destroying that which they are there to protect...the universe.
If Eternity is the embodiment of time in the whole universe and he sums all of his essence in an M Body, there would be no time anywhere else. That has not happened. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
You keep on with the artist's freedom of keeping the scene with traffic,
when at no time is there any mention of Ziran being able to withstand,
or being able to do anything at all special that differentiates him from the rest.Warlock blew everyone away,
and the only one that obviously was immune was the LT.
Come on mate 😬 Its clearly depicted in the comic that the abstract M Bodies get blown away like rag dolls whilst the Celestial despite visibly taxed, remains on his feet at ground zero 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exactly. What is the point of having M Bodies if they always have the full essence of an entity within them. That is non-sensical. Their purpose is so that the entity can have a presence somewhere.Each of the abstracts embody a universal concept. If their full essence was contained within one of their mbodies then that concept wouldnt exist anywhere else in reality which would obviously be disastrous any time an Mbody was used.
The very fact that there were multiple Eternity M Bodies from different time frames at once as you rightly said zopzop shows that it cant be assumed that Mbodies possess the full power of the entity they are representing.
You're using your own rendered logic completely unsupported btw,
to contradict Marvel facts.
Those multiple M-bodies are meaningless,
empty PAST reflections of M-bodys created used and then left there in the D of M:
Further proven when Quasar was only after ONE,
the one that corresponds to the Present,
that one that contains a conduit to the actual Universe,
the one that represents what's happening in the Universe NOW!
Although I know this undeniable proof will make little difference,
over here on the East Coast of the USA, it's kinda late,
so we'll continue this some other time.
Peace and love friend.
Originally posted by Mr Master\
We've been through this before old friend.You're using your own rendered logic completely unsupported btw,
to contradict Marvel facts.Those multiple M-bodies are meaningless,
empty PAST reflections of M-bodys created used and then left there in the D of M:Further proven when Quasar was only after ONE,
the one that corresponds to the Present,
that one that contains a conduit to the actual Universe,
the one that represents what's happening in the Universe NOW!Although I know this undeniable proof will make little difference,
over here on the East Coast of the USA, it's kinda late,
so we'll continue this some other time.Peace and love friend.
I get what your saying, I have the issue. But that scan doesn't really prove anything, especially if you are saying all M-bodies have all the power of the abstract they represent. That ONE M-body that represented a specific period of time was comatose. Eternity had other M-bodies around alive and conscious (see the trial in that issue). If they were merely past reflections with no other significance to them, why would the LT's be enraged that they were interrupting a trial that already took place?
The scan you provided even said : This aspect of Eternity is in the grip of some evil force.......
Originally posted by GalacticStormThats what he said. Both of your descriptions pertain to LT removing and depositing Slorioth into another dimension. I take it Zopzop just didnt make it read as impressive as you'd like?
Originally posted by GalacticStormThey are entities that embody a universal concept. The M Bodies are merely there to provide a physical presence for them because they have none. Whilst im not doubting that if they wished to imbue an M Body with their full essence they could the fact that doing so would necessitate robbing the rest of the universe of that concept they embody makes it very unlikely that they ever would do. Otherwise they would be destroying that which they are there to protect...the universe.
If Eternity is the embodiment of time in the whole universe and he sums all of his essence in an M Body, there would be no time anywhere else. That has not happened.
I have this scanned from the Marvel Handbook (2009) but it's the same here:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the full power ofd the original being"
Originally posted by GalacticStormCome on mate Its clearly depicted in the comic that the abstract M Bodies get blown away like rag dolls whilst the Celestial despite visibly taxed, remains on his feet at ground zero
Originally posted by Mr Master
This wasn't addressed to you "lawya" man, but I'll reply once,
he said the LT merely teleported Slorioth away (that kinda bfr)
when the LT actually boom bashed Slorioth (that kinda one-shot)
into another dimension.
Dude the freaking scan is in your respect thread! He merely BFRed him into another dimension where he could continue to feast. It says so on panel!
Marvel facts >>> your logic, every day all day, you know that mate.
I have this scanned from the Marvel Handbook (2009) but it's the same here:http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the [b]full power
ofd the original being"You found yourself a friend, enjoy. 🙂 [/B]
A) On panel evidence >>>>>>>>>>>handbooks.
B) Even assuming what you quoted is accurate how do you explain this?
http://imageshack.us/f/101/ltrulesig10cf.jpg/
Again from your own thread. Ziran stands his ground while ALL OTHER M-bodies aside from the LT's are flung around like rag dolls. This happened not once, but TWICE :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/ltrulesig56ys.jpg/
Originally posted by zopzop
I get what your saying, I have the issue.
But that scan doesn't really prove anything,
especially if you are saying all M-bodies have all the power of the abstract they represent.
The only M-body containing Eternity's full power is the one containing his Temporal Spirit at the moment,
and that M-body can only be his latest fractal form or "M-body:
Originally posted by zopzop
That ONE M-body that represented a specific period of time was comatose.
Eternity had other M-bodies around alive and conscious (see the trial in that issue).
If they were merely past reflections with no other significance to them,
why would the LT's be enraged that they were interrupting a trial
that already took place?
That aside,
Those other M-bodys are/were and will always be meaningless,
they're merely stuck in time-loop replaying shit that happened almost 30 years ago,
like Beyonder talking to the Cosmics in Secret Wars:
You really think this nonsense has some kinda significance or relevance on purpose or reality? 😆
Originally posted by zopzop
The scan you provided even said :
This aspect of Eternity is in the grip of some evil force.......
Originally posted by Mr Master
This wasn't addressed to you "lawya" man, but I'll reply once,
he said the LT merely teleported Slorioth away (that kinda bfr)
when the LT actually boom bashed Slorioth (that kinda one-shot)
into another dimension.
Since when is BFR seen in any way other than forcibly against the persons will? My point still stands, ZopZop said the same thing you did he just didnt exaggerate the feat to your desired level. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel facts >>> your logic, every day all day, you know that mate.I have this scanned from the Marvel Handbook (2009) but it's the same here:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the [b]full power
ofd the original being"You found yourself a friend, enjoy. 🙂 [/B]
An Mbody having access to an entity's full power and the entity and all their essence being summed up within an Mbody are too completely different things.
If you would take the time out to appreciate said difference then i would have to spend a whole lot less time correcting you 🙂
As i stated previously, which you obviously overlooked or maybe failed to comprehend, whilst i have no doubt that if an abstract wished to imbue the entirety of their essence within an Mbody they could, doing so would mean an absence of that concept elsewhere because all of that concept would be summed up within that Mbody.
Instead, the abstracts have Mbodys which can tap into as much power as they require, without necessitating the full presence of the entity in question.
I hope you found that useful 😎
Originally posted by zopzop
Dude the freaking scan is in your respect thread! He merely BFRed him into another dimension where he could continue to feast. It says so on panel!
Originally posted by zopzop
A) On panel evidence >>>>>>>>>>>handbooks.
Originally posted by zopzop
B) Even assuming what you quoted is accurate how do you explain this?
http://imageshack.us/f/101/ltrulesig10cf.jpg/
I explained that to ya before, geesh.
Eternity was trying to win a case,
he said some nonsense to distract Warlock's confidence,
yet it wasn't true cause Thanos stomped him the prior issue,
and we know Eternity came to battle, at full power,
or is it that yall think a Concept never manifests at full power? 😐
Cause all I keep seeing is, "oh well, it was an M-body so .. " huh?
So when is it not just a so-called diminished M-body, when is it full power?
This is just me entertaining yall for I know M-bodys ARE the FULL Power of the Concept.
Originally posted by zopzop
Again from your own thread. Ziran stands his ground while ALL OTHER M-bodies aside from the LT's are flung around like rag dolls. This happened not once, but TWICE :
Heh, friend, again, that's the artists just displaying variety in his art.
the artist was not trying to make your point,
for everyone there were insects to Warlock and the LT.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSince when is BFR seen in any way other than forcibly against the persons will?
I said the LT one-shotted Slorioth.
Uhh, you know,
I'ma hit ya so hard you gonna go flyin into someplace else, yeeah.
Originally posted by GalacticStormMy point still stands, ZopZop said the same thing you did
he just didnt exaggerate the feat to your desired level.
You got a problem, email Marvel and ask why did that.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAn Mbody having access to an entity's full power and the entity and all their essence being summed up within an Mbody are too completely different things.
If you would take the time out to appreciate said difference then i would have to spend a whole lot less time correcting you 🙂
As i stated previously, which you obviously overlooked or maybe failed to comprehend, whilst i have no doubt that if an abstract wished to imbue the entirety of their essence within an Mbody they could, doing so would mean an absence of that concept elsewhere because all of that concept would be summed up within that Mbody.
Instead, the abstracts have Mbodys which can tap into as much power as they require, without necessitating the full presence of the entity in question.I hope you found that useful
I always do enjoy how you make me smile though.
See ya friend.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Go get it and post it where that is stated and depicted,
then I'll go get scans saying otherwise,
then we'll see who's copy perpetuating fraud. 😂
Originally posted by Mr MasterLT says, the Totality of Slorioth is too vast for any Universe, and his necessity to feed on more than Universes will continue to expand"
So LT gestures,
and ONE shots Slorioth into another Universe, (NOT Teleportation) where he can feed in piece.
As you can see Slorioth is Physically being boom bashed away. 🙂
The Defenders are blinked back to their proper Plane of existence
The Living Tribunal gestures again and whisks away the Vishanti and himself:
The LT BFRed Sloriath into another dimension where he could feast in peace. You even said this when you first created teh respect thread! Sloriath wouldn't have reason to resist since the LT wasn't depriving him of food merely moving him into another dimension where he can feast his lil heart out.
You have no on panel evidence or handbook evidence the like,
so why you're bringing that up is strange.
Merely stating that on panel evidence holds more sway than handbook entries. You quoted a handbook/website.
Why would you assume, why don't you just read,
it's the first paragraph under powers.
I wouldn't advise just looking at others' cropped scans getting a piece of the story
and then come out blasting characters without knowing the context behind the scans.I explained that to ya before, geesh.
Eternity was trying to win a case,
he said some nonsense to distract Warlock's confidence,
yet it wasn't true cause Thanos stomped him the prior issue,
and we know Eternity came to battle, at full power,
or is it that yall think a Concept never manifests at full power? 😐Cause all I keep seeing is, "oh well, it was an M-body so .. " huh?
So when is it not just a so-called diminished M-body, when is it full power?
This is just me entertaining yall for I know M-bodys ARE the FULL Power of the Concept.
Good lord, so you really believe Ziran is more powerful/and or durable than Chaos,
Eternity and the rest?Heh, friend, again, that's the artists just displaying variety in his art.
the artist was not trying to make your point,
for everyone there were insects to Warlock and the LT.
M-bodies are not always filled up with all an abstracts power (if at all) that's why Ziran withstood the shockwave TWICE while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away. That's why Magus comatosing one M-body of Eternity is pointless. Hell he even showed up with Infinity later on, no worse for wear telling the Magus he didn't understand jack about reality.
Originally posted by zopzopThe LT BFRed Sloriath into another dimension where he could feast in peace. You even said this when you first created teh respect thread! Sloriath wouldn't have reason to resist since the LT wasn't depriving him of food merely moving him into another dimension where he can feast his lil heart out.
The scans themselves have me saying the LT one-shotted Slorioth,
not the simple bfr you're suggesting.
Originally posted by zopzop
Merely stating that on panel evidence holds more sway than handbook entries. You quoted a handbook/website.
Originally posted by zopzop
M-bodies are not always filled up with all an abstracts power (if at all) that's why Ziran withstood the shockwave TWICE while other supposedly more powerful abstracts were blown away. That's why Magus comatosing one M-body of Eternity is pointless. Hell he even showed up with Infinity later on, no worse for wear telling the Magus he didn't understand jack about reality.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm
"living fractal ... can assume form for abstract beings.
These forms have access to the full power of the original being"
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Let me know when you have proof of any kind that even remotely suggests
that M-bodys come in fragmented scales of power,
or any other idea you're attempting to push other than the Marvel established fact.
Yeah, I always found the M-body = depowered argument a copout, because ANYTIME you see an abstract interacting in the physical plane, it will be via an M-body. Generally, if you can see them as a character, they're using an M body, because without one they're just a formless concept... hence, abstract being.
