Batman vs Iron fist
1.Both at their best hand to hand combat or CQC who wins?
2.Both can use weopons/gadgets or make use of envt combined with martial arts who wins?
**They say batman has an iron will and as you know I.F plundged his fists into the molten heart of a dragon...who wins in the above both at their best?**
pure h2h no ironfist or amping? no way IF is clearly better. i'll take bats in a battle of skill. bp fought him to a draw, cap's made him look like an amateur and logan is considerably more skilled as well. fist is good, and it wouldn't be a clean sweep either way, but i'll take bats 6/10 and every fight is very close.
with weapons bats outthinks him and ko's via long range weapons.
Yeah, without Ironfist tapping into his superpowers and all that, Bruce should take him down in the first scenario.
In scenario two, I really don't see gadgets stopping Danny from destroying him though. Danny's too versatile and too powerful to fall prey to most of the ordinary gadgets that Bats carries on him.
Originally posted by leonidas
pure h2h no ironfist or amping? no way IF is clearly better. i'll take bats in a battle of skill. bp fought him to a draw, cap's made him look like an amateur and logan is considerably more skilled as well. fist is good, and it wouldn't be a clean sweep either way, but i'll take bats 6/10 and every fight is very close.with weapons bats outthinks him and ko's via long range weapons.
Originally posted by leonidas
pure h2h no ironfist or amping? no way IF is clearly better. i'll take bats in a battle of skill. bp fought him to a draw, cap's made him look like an amateur and logan is considerably more skilled as well. fist is good, and it wouldn't be a clean sweep either way, but i'll take bats 6/10 and every fight is very close.with weapons bats outthinks him and ko's via long range weapons.
Iron Fist was mind controlled against BP, BP has superhuman stats, that was Priest era full Vibranium Suit Panther (who would beat Batman so hard he'd retire if the two fought), and he used tech to win.
Iron Fist is on the same level as Shiva, Dragon and Turner, above Batman. The fact that Wolverine and Cap are better than Iron Fist, is just further proof that Marvel has a deeper pool of street level talent than DC. 😎
Originally posted by leonidas
pure h2h no ironfist or amping? no way IF is clearly better. i'll take bats in a battle of skill. bp fought him to a draw, cap's made him look like an amateur and logan is considerably more skilled as well. fist is good, and it wouldn't be a clean sweep either way, but i'll take bats 6/10 and every fight is very close.with weapons bats outthinks him and ko's via long range weapons.
The only fight between him and cap I know of was in his first series, while he was holding back.
Assuming it's that one, i don't think a young early danny is a good example of how skilled he is.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Fist was mind controlled against BP, BP has superhuman stats, that was Priest era full Vibranium Suit Panther (who would beat Batman so hard he'd retire if the two fought), and he used tech to win.
true, fist was mindcontrolled, but he was also going all out with his chi. with the suit BP would beat bats, without suit, straight skill i'll take bats over BP, like i'd take DD over BP in straight skill, without suit. the same DD who has also stalemated ironfist in a battle of straight skill.....
Iron Fist is on the same level as Shiva, Dragon and Turner, above Batman. The fact that Wolverine and Cap are better than Iron Fist, is just further proof that Marvel has a deeper pool of street level talent than DC. 😎
well, that at least is right. 😄
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Danny's been upgraded since his scuffles with Cap and BP, not just in terms of chi power, but in terms of skill display, as well.I see him dictating the pace of the fight w/o chi and beating Bruce. With chi, it's a god damn massacre.
in terms of skill? hmm, i'm not so sure of that. that run he had in his own series he had some uber damn impressive feats, and in that early powerman and ironfist series he again has some crazy feats--easily some of his best. his chi is better, for sure. his skill? maybe, but not enough to place him 'clearly' and 'well' above bats. i understand a close majority, but there's no chance anyone can convince me danny>>>bats in pure h2h skill.
Originally posted by leonidas
true, fist was mindcontrolled, but he was also going all out with his chi. with the suit BP would beat bats, without suit, straight skill i'll take bats over BP, like i'd take DD over BP in straight skill, without suit. the same DD who has also stalemated ironfist in a battle of straight skill.....well, that at least is right. 😄
Mind control makes characters sloppy.
DD has better body reading than Batgirl, his has trumped a superhuman with legitimate precog. DD is more formidable in melee that Batman is. 😎
Originally posted by leonidas
in terms of skill? hmm, i'm not so sure of that. that run he had in his own series he had some uber damn impressive feats, and in that early powerman and ironfist series he again has some crazy feats--easily some of his best. his chi is better, for sure. his skill? maybe, but not enough to place him 'clearly' and 'well' above bats. i understand a close majority, but there's no chance anyone can convince me danny>>>bats in pure h2h skill.
The BP fight was semi recent so not as much. But he has been portrayed as better since the cap fight which was very early on.
But yeah when mind controlled against BP he was basically just swinging around, even tried to hit him with a car (by driving it) hard to say he was fighting at his best skill wise. :/