Originally posted by Galan007
Amazo can and has used Flash's speed on several occasions. Trying to say that he would fight like an idiot here when the thread starter made it a point to say that he's at his JLA/JSA-wrecking levels, is laughable.Amazo wins handily.
Originally posted by abhilegend
When in his JLA/JSA wrecking he used his speed, he only used it once in his last appearance IIRC? Kryptonians aren't too far behind flashes in speed department. The notion that a flash is untouchable by a kryptonian when it's never been the case in comics is just extrapolation of their high end feats which amazo lacks. You can't give amazo flash's high end feats just like you can't give him superman's high end strength feats.
Not QUITE true, Barry left Kal in his wake in Rebirth #3. And I get your point about just because he has the powers doesn't mean he has the skills.
^Barry was black flash at the time. Later superman caught barry in superman 709 when he was out of control although barry claimed that he let him do it. Even professor zoom who wrecked entire flash family single handedly in Flash:rebirth was unable to blitz superman in Time masters and commented that Kal's reflexes were nearly equal to him. Even great Hunter zoloman has been stalemated in a foot race by bizarro. But all of that are PIS according to flash's fans.
I'm telling you guys, it's not going to come down to all of this stuff. It's going to be about the hop counts. Let's count them okay.
Amazo's hop count.
1. Amazo begins copying Hanks powers
2. Amazo begins forming a firewall against Hanks attack.
3. Amazo begins trying to hack Hank.
Hank's hop count.
1. Hank sends a packet to take over Amazo.
In my opinion Amazo fails to get to 2, as he would already be compromised before his necessary defenses would be in place.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm telling you guys, it's not going to come down to all of this stuff. It's going to be about the hop counts. Let's count them okay.Amazo's hop count.
1. Amazo begins copying Hanks powers
2. Amazo begins forming a firewall against Hanks attack.
3. Amazo begins trying to hack Hank.
Hank's hop count.
1. Hank sends a packet to take over Amazo.
In my opinion Amazo fails to get to 2, as he would already be compromised before his necessary defenses would be in place.
Of course, that depends on Amazo's speed, no? And if he has the processing power of the Flash backing him up....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Of course, that depends on Amazo's speed, no? And if he has the processing power of the Flash backing him up....
It would likely not matter. You realize that HDD's have several different rpm models, and spin at incredible speeds. Sending one packet the size of a bit would take no time at all. Let's just say for kicks that Amazo and Hank had Super HDD's. Flashes speed would not make a lick of difference.
Amazo would likely be crunching computations at the same speed as Hank, but the problem happens in the number of processes that each would make. Hank has less to compute than Amazo, which makes me automatically believe that Amazo would be Hank's new minion.
I could literally see Hank tell Amazo to rip off its own head, and give it to him.
Originally posted by abhilegendPost some speed/reaction feats Henshaw has that put him remotely close to Flash-level. I can post scans of Amazo picking apart the entire JLA (inc. Supes and Wally) by utilizing all/most of the power and versatility at his disposal.
When in his JLA/JSA wrecking he used his speed, he only used it once in his last appearance IIRC? Kryptonians aren't too far behind flashes in speed department. The notion that a flash is untouchable by a kryptonian when it's never been the case in comics is just extrapolation of their high end feats which amazo lacks. You can't give amazo flash's high end feats just like you can't give him superman's high end strength feats.
Hank gets destroyed.
Originally posted by Lord FeronThe speed stealing argument is nothing but a red herring- as it is utterly irrelevant to THIS match.
Has amazo in the past developed instant defenses against the powers he copied? I mean if that was true speed steal should not have worked on amazo.
Why? Hank cannot steal speed. none
Originally posted by Galan007
Post some speed/reaction feats Henshaw has that put him remotely close to Flash-level. I can post scans of Amazo picking apart the entire JLA (inc. Supes and Wally) by utilizing all/most of the power and versatility at his disposal.Hank gets destroyed.
How can you be so adamant about this statement? Have you weighed out the possibility that Amazo may not get the chance to do any of this?
The speed stealing argument is nothing but a red herring- as it is utterly irrelevant to THIS match.Why? Hank cannot steal speed. none [/B]
How does he speed steal an algorithmic impulse?
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Couldn't Hank just co-opt Amazo's body? As powerful as Amazo is, he is still machinery and carbon based matter. Hank could likely just body snatch him and be done with it.
Exactly, and when you account for the fact that Amazo goes into snap on mode adding power after power to it's base function, this gives Hank the moment in time to compromise the node (Amazo). Like I said before, Hank only needs to send one packet, and Amazo would be under his control.
Amazo on the other hand has to make all of these computations, and the more that this discussion goes on, the more likely my theory is the correct one.
