Originally posted by StoicWith Flash's perception speed? No.
How does he speed steal an algorithmic impulse?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankGood feat. Not Flash-level though.Considering Hank did that with a glance and plotted the exact course for where to toss Doomsday, that's a pretty impressive computation feat as is the speed in which he did it.
Originally posted by Galan007
With Flash's perception speed? No.Good feat. Not Flash-level though.
I truly doubt that Amazo would win this, when Hank would only need to send one bit of information to compromise Amazo's entire game.
Amazo has too many computations to complete just to access one snap on power. by the time it imprints, that is going to it's first move. hanks first move is total corruption of its higher functions. Come on man you know what I'm saying.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Amazo would be copying it at Flash-level speed,
Has he ever copied at super speed?
Any time I've read him, a character usually gets enough time to make a move before their power gets copied.
The time the JLA shut him down by disbanding, the copying seemed more of a gradual thing.
It's even questionable if Hanks "ghost" is detectable by Amazo's scans.. He could end up simply seeing Kryptonian DNA and technology, and not the animating being inside of it.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Because Amazo can do the same?
Without Hanks experience, assuming he could even copy it?
And lets say he did copy the power and somehow move in on Hanks body. Than what? Hank could just build himself a new body, but Amazo would basically be a clone of Hank.
Really, Hanks technopathy isn't a power in the strictest sense of the word, it's how he survives. He's basically an energy being that fashions tech to interact with the physical world. Amazo even copy this is questionable, and him being able to use it in a useful way is more questionable, as it's essentially body hopping.. You'd have two wraiths fighting over control of a single host, basically.
Originally posted by Galan007
Amazo copied the Worlogog in an instant, and was able to use it just as well as Hourman. Henshaw's abilities wouldn't be a problem.
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Haven't read that series.
In that case, I conceed he'd copy Hank's ability, but not that it would do him much good.
Because Hank isn't the machine he inhabits, and copying Hanks technopathy doesn't make Amazo less of a machine.
So not sure what copying Hanks technopathy does for Amazo, as Hank isn't a machine himself. If Hank wants to, he can simply let Amazo hack his body, enter Amazo's body, and the two can fight over rights to it or something.
Originally posted by Galan007
The scans he provided are good. They aren't Flash-level though.
Why does it need to be Flash level? You keep bringing this to the table, and have yet to build any momentum on how this no sells Hanks ability to take control of Amazo.
You refused to acknowledge my argument of an algorithmic impulse's speed and may be under the impression that it's slower than the Flash, when in actuality it moves at the same speed.
You refuse to acknowledge the basic rules of combat. You know the one that has one guy make a move while the other one makes a move as well?
The plain fact is that Hank would only need to send a bit of information (a Trojan, worm, or virus D.O.R.A style), which would infiltrate Amazo's higher functions and leave it open for takeover. While Amazo, has to imprint, snap on, form a defensive firewall, and all sorts of other things in order to overpower Hank.
I can acknowledge that if Hank were to sit there, and allow Amazo to make all of these moves, that it would likely be his undoing, but how does that make this a fight between sentient beings, and not one between a sentient, and a rag doll or punching bag?
Fighting to the best of their abilities, Hank does not have to allow Amazo who has only one protocol to begin the fight with, the opportunity to snap on extraneous powers.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Because Amazo can do the same?
Okay, so Amazo while entering this fight has the ability to control other AI? Is this what you're saying? Or are you saying that he has to first imprint this ability from Hank? If it is the latter, Hank does not give him the time to do this.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why does it need to be Flash level? You keep bringing this to the table, and have yet to build any momentum on how this no sells Hanks ability to take control of Amazo.You refused to acknowledge my argument of an algorithmic impulse's speed and may be under the impression that it's slower than the Flash, when in actuality it moves at the same speed.
You refuse to acknowledge the basic rules of combat. You know the one that has one guy make a move while the other one makes a move as well?
The plain fact is that Hank would only need to send a bit of information (a Trojan, worm, or virus D.O.R.A style), which would infiltrate Amazo's higher functions and leave it open for takeover. While Amazo, has to imprint, snap on, form a defensive firewall, and all sorts of other things in order to overpower Hank.
I can acknowledge that if Hank were to sit there, and allow Amazo to make all of these moves, that it would likely be his undoing, but how does that make this a fight between sentient beings, and not one between a sentient, and a rag doll or punching bag?
Fighting to the best of their abilities, Hank does not have to allow Amazo who has only one protocol to begin the fight with, the opportunity to snap on extraneous powers.
Okay, so Amazo while entering this fight has the ability to control other AI? Is this what you're saying? Or are you saying that he has to first imprint this ability from Hank? If it is the latter, Hank does not give him the time to do this.
Yep, he can. And Hank won't speed Blitz, not when Amazo has super speed himself.
I just now read when Amazo stole half of Hourmans power.
That's actually a good argument for why simply copying Cyborgs technopathy doesn't mean he'll win in that arena, as Tyler used his time powers more intelligently than Amazo to erase him from the future (And while it's true Amazo only had half the Warlogogs full power, that's still half of infinite time altering power, yet Amazo used it like a hammer compared to Hourman..)
Ok, Stoic, the thing is, you keep saying that Amazo would be slower because he has to make two hops to Hank's one.
Thought experiment time!
I have a 100m race against Usain Bolt. I do the race by taking exaggerated giant hopping steps. Bolt sprints it
Just because I took fewer steps to reach my destination does not mean I reach my goal faster, because you have ignored the rate at which our legs moved. And so it is here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, Stoic, the thing is, you keep saying that Amazo would be slower because he has to make two hops to Hank's one.Thought experiment time!
I have a 100m race against Usain Bolt. I do the race by taking exaggerated giant hopping steps. Bolt sprints it
Just because I took fewer steps to reach my destination does not mean I reach my goal faster, because you have ignored the rate at which our legs moved. And so it is here.
That is a faulty comparison, Usain Bolt is faster than you are from the onset (I'm guessing), in this fight you would have to prove that the Flash's brain processes data faster than a super computers brain does. This is where we are stuck in speculation.
I understand Galan's side of things, and fully agree with him, that if Hank approached this battle like a doofus, he'd have his mech ass handed to him, but not all fights have to be physical one. I'm just saying that Hank has the option to make this battle logical. When a computer sends bit sized computations, it does it far faster than you or I can possibly ever perceive. Can the flash crunch numbers faster than a super comic book computer?
Galan says that he wants to see a scan of Hank doing these things, well he never will until the writers put it in a book, I'm a certified technician, and I'm just saying how these things work out. There's a web site called "how stuff works", you can visit it to see just how fast a bit slides through gigabit Ethernet, it will blow you away. Now add comic book exaggeration to the mix, and it dwarfs even what I just mentioned.
It's actually risen from 2 hops to 3 or 4 hops, while hank still only has 1. This comes down to personal opinion, or preference. I just can't logically see Hank losing this if he's approaching this battle intelligently.
