Originally posted by country1000
Beta ray bill has the same strength as thor, silver surfer can amp himself to get as strong as thor. Gladiator is the strongest member of the annilhiators and bill and surfer are members. Orion, adam, lobo, thor and bill cannot muster up enough strength to bust a planet with no outside help. Gladiator is the strongest on the field. I see this place has a battle zone section, i challenge you or anyone else in a strength contest concerning gladiator vs any other herald level character.
Any other herald?
Are you serious, bro?
I imagine Gladiator's shitty ass breaking apart an ill-defined planetoid with a handful of strikes is this great strength feat you're clinging to?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNo. But let me ask you this since i detect a little bias in you about that " planetoid ". Why do you call that planet a planetoid? Have you discovered a method unknown to other members on here to tell the size of that planet? 2. Why is it (shitty) to you? 3. If its ill-defined, why do YOU try and define it? What's your secret method jake?
Any other herald?Are you serious, bro?
I imagine Gladiator's shitty ass breaking apart an ill-defined planetoid with a handful of strikes is this great strength feat you're clinging to?
Originally posted by carver9
The comic stated it was a planet, not a planetoid.
Who the hell cares?
For all intents and purposes, it was a barren, lifeless, floating space rock which Gladiator vented out on. Impressive? Sure. But acting like this single feat, which Gladiator has never replicated again, puts him on a level somehow beyond people as Hulk, Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel, etc. is just about the most retarded logic I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. When pit against foes such as those I mentioned, Gladiator never overpowers them with this supposedly greater strength he possesses...which is conveniently chalked up to the equally absurd confidence excuse. "Gladiator wasn't fully confident then, so it doesn't matter."
Bullshit.
He's confident unless its stated or shown otherwise, and considering we have several examples of this on panel, we know exactly what to look for. And Gladiator, like it or not, has gotten his ass kicked without confidence being an issue. At all.
I could give a flying phuck if Gladiator didn't have as many appearances as some of the other elites, but he's been around long enough to justify where he stands in the grand scheme of things. And at best, he's an Upper Mid-Herald with some High Herald feats. He's not in the same league as people like Thor or Superman and certainly not above them, retarded leaps of faith be damned.
Originally posted by country1000
No. But let me ask you this since i detect a little bias in you about that " planetoid ". Why do you call that planet a planetoid? Have you discovered a method unknown to other members on here to tell the size of that planet? 2. Why is it (shitty) to you? 3. If its ill-defined, why do YOU try and define it? What's your secret method jake?
Bias lol.
Planet/planetoid/giant space rock, I don't care what you call it, really. It's impressive in the fact that he destroyed it in enough strikes. Do I think it's beyond the likes of his peers and superiors based on what they have done in combat and out of combat? Absolutely not. That's the reality of it. When Gladiator decisively overpowers Thor or Hulk or something similar, maybe we can talk about Kallark being the strongest herald ever. Until then, I'll stick with character portrayals and feats as a whole instead of clinging to perhaps the single most overhyped feat on the internet.
I don't have a secret method of deducing the size, mass, or composition of said planet. It's unknown, which is precisely why I don't think I should splooge at the thought of Gladiator breaking it apart with his bare hands. Feel free to, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBINGO!! The truth has come out as to why you try to downgrade that planet to a planetoid. You dont want gladiator to be above hulk, thor, superman or captain marvel. Well im sorry, he's stronger than them, he' faster than them plus he's meaner than them. Only hulks anger makes it debatable with him. Besides, not one of them has punched a " planetoid " to dust with their fists, well hulk did slam into a asteriod twice the size of earth with flight assist. Oh, this was for jakes post that started out with... who the hell cares.
Bias lol.Planet/planetoid/giant space rock, I don't care what you call it, really. It's impressive in the fact that he destroyed it in enough strikes. Do I think it's beyond the likes of his peers and superiors based on what they have done in combat and out of combat? Absolutely not. That's the reality of it. When Gladiator decisively overpowers Thor or Hulk or something similar, maybe we can talk about Kallark being the strongest herald ever. Until then, I'll stick with character portrayals and feats as a whole instead of clinging to perhaps the single most overhyped feat on the internet.
I don't have a secret method of deducing the size, mass, or composition of said planet. It's unknown, which is precisely why I don't think I should splooge at the thought of Gladiator breaking it apart with his bare hands. Feel free to, though.
Originally posted by country1000
BINGO!! The truth has come out as to why you try to downgrade that planet to a planetoid. You dont want gladiator to be above hulk, thor, superman or captain marvel. Well im sorry, he's stronger than them, he' faster than them plus he's meaner than them. Only hulks anger makes it debatable with him. Besides, not one of them has punched a " planetoid " to dust with their fists, well hulk did slam into a asteriod twice the size of earth with flight assist.
He's not above them, so what I want is irrelevant. Being honest, I'd want Wonder Man to be officially upgraded to Thor level in strength. I want Quicksilver to be at least as fast as Jay Garrick. I want Alan Scott to rage stomp Hal Jordan into dust because Hal's a boring shell of a character nowadays. I want Thor to mind rape someone with Mjolnir, not because it makes sense, but because it would be epically retarded and hilarious as another random plot device power of the hammer.
What I want, ludicrous and idiotic as it sounds, does not coincide with comics. And comics don't support Gladiator being as strong or - excuse me while I lol - stronger than Hulk, Superman, Thor, or Captain Marvel, or a vast variety of heralds out there. Lol at him being faster than Superman, btw.
Assuming you're not a troll/sock who will get banned, feel free to start a feat war with Superman and Gladiator. Gladiator's confidence will spiral into the murky depths of depression and suicidal thoughts if you do that to him.
If you really believe Gladiator is clearly stronger than Superman, Thor, Hulk, etc., then you're going to have to settle on one of two things.
A.) If said planet busting feat is intended to be legitimate than that's easily his best feat ever outside of combat (ie. space cheese feat). And if that one and only feat is what you're using to justify Gladiator being > those guys, you really don't want to see the high end feats from them. Usually when one character is stronger than another, there's multiple examples to justify it, not just one feat (the only feat) in which people cling to for deal life.
B.) Said feat, while impressive, is nothing to brag about as we don't know anything about the planet/planetoid and we already know how Gladiator fares in direct combat with his peers such as Hulk and Thor.
Spoiler:
he gets his ass kicked
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's not above them, so what I want is irrelevant. Being honest, I'd want Wonder Man to be officially upgraded to Thor level in strength. I want Quicksilver to be at least as fast as Jay Garrick. I want Alan Scott to rage stomp Hal Jordan into dust because Hal's a boring shell of a character nowadays. I want Thor to mind rape someone with Mjolnir, not because it makes sense, but because it would be epically retarded and hilarious as another random plot device power of the hammer.What I want, ludicrous and idiotic as it sounds, does not coincide with comics. And comics don't support Gladiator being as strong or - excuse me while I lol - stronger than Hulk, Superman, Thor, or Captain Marvel, or a vast variety of heralds out there. Lol at him being faster than Superman, btw.
Assuming you're not a troll/sock who will get banned, feel free to start a feat war with Superman and Gladiator. Gladiator's confidence will spiral into the murky depths of depression and suicidal thoughts if you do that to him.
You leave Hal out of this. uhuh
Originally posted by -Pr-
You leave Hal out of this. uhuh
Hey, I like Hal, but lately I feel as if Johns has dropped the ball with him. He's really unlikeable in the pages of JL, and in Green Lantern he's being completely overshadowed by Sinestro, which while I'd imagine is the point at this time due to the arc, I'm honestly getting a little sick of.
Though, Alan's clearly the superior character between the two. biscuits
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hey, I like Hal, but lately I feel as if Johns has dropped the ball with him. He's really unlikeable in the pages of JL, and in Green Lantern he's being completely overshadowed by Sinestro, which while I'd imagine is the point at this time due to the arc, I'm honestly getting a little sick of.Though, Alan's clearly the superior character between the two. biscuits
I think there's a point to the JLA stuff, tbh, and I've liked his little moments in GL, as long as he follows through.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
I think there's a point to the JLA stuff, tbh, and I've liked his little moments in GL, as long as he follows through.orly
I think Johns, being a clever guy, is probably purposefully making Hal look kind of like an idiot because people know he's obviously a big supporter of all things Green Lantern and doesn't want to be accused of pushing him too much. I just feel that Hal's character development, which has been pretty good since Rebirth, has hit something of a snag now.
And yes, imo, Alan's a better character than Hal, not just more powerful. But I'll always be a JSA fan at heart, ironically, mostly due to Johns himself.
Originally posted by country1000Lol I like you already
Beta ray bill has the same strength as thor, silver surfer can amp himself to get as strong as thor. Gladiator is the strongest member of the annilhiators and bill and surfer are members. Orion, adam, lobo, thor and bill cannot muster up enough strength to bust a planet with no outside help. Gladiator is the strongest on the field. I see this place has a battle zone section, i challenge you or anyone else in a strength contest concerning gladiator vs any other herald level character.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankFirst of all, thor and BRB wrecked planets with their hammers. Now if gladiator can wreck one with his fist, what does that tell you? Second. I dont care who beat who in a comic. If we use that, then look at all the fights that are settled... thor vs superman. winner superman. non-canon but... storm vs WW. Winner storm. spidey vs firelord. winner spidey... In other words, characters will be limited to what they can do in a comic. example. Odin stripped thor of his Godly powers but left him with his full strength, thor got beaten by the wrecker because the wrecker had his strength and his asgardian powers. Wonderman claimed he was stronger than thor and was beating thor. Thor threw his hammer away and hulk beat him up. Now people will cry foul. Thor was either sick, hurt or depowered or missing his hammer. They cry foul. BUT when gladiator is dumped in radiation or forgets his speed advantage????? Do you see where this is going?
If you really believe Gladiator is clearly stronger than Superman, Thor, Hulk, etc., then you're going to have to settle on one of two things.A.) If said planet busting feat is intended to be legitimate than that's easily his best feat ever outside of combat (ie. space cheese feat). And if that one and only feat is what you're using to justify Gladiator being > those guys, you really don't want to see the high end feats from them. Usually when one character is stronger than another, there's multiple examples to justify it, not just one feat (the only feat) in which people cling to for deal life.
B.) Said feat, while impressive, is nothing to brag about as we don't know anything about the planet/planetoid and we already know how Gladiator fares in direct combat with his peers such as Hulk and Thor.
Spoiler:
he gets his ass kicked
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think Johns, being a clever guy, is probably purposefully making Hal look kind of like an idiot because people know he's obviously a big supporter of all things Green Lantern and doesn't want to be accused of pushing him too much. I just feel that Hal's character development, which has been pretty good since Rebirth, has hit something of a snag now.And yes, imo, Alan's a better character than Hal, not just more powerful. But I'll always be a JSA fan at heart, ironically, mostly due to Johns himself.
That, or he's going to show us Hal learning a hard lesson that will sort him out.