Originally posted by country1000
Look jake, if thor beats gladiator into a pulp, i dont care. I want you to show me where thor puts his hammer on his side and crush gladiator. That hammer is the only way thor can beat gladiator. You might not know this, but thor has never hit gladiator with his fists. Strange but true. Without his hammer, thor is not the powerhouse you make him out to be.
His bare strength w/o Mjolnir was enough to deadlock the Hulk in a test of strength for over an hour, match Hercules in arm wrestling which generated enough force to throw the Earth out of orbit, close dimensional rifts, lift the Midgard Serpent, and move the World Engine and the Nine Realms.
The hammer gives him better striking power than without it, but Thor's physical strength still makes him every bit the powerhouse he is.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI want to hear it from you because if superman lifted half of infinity and CM lifted the other half, that would make them equal in strength because there is no way one lifted more than the other. right?.. But wait now, ultraman lifted it by himself but there is no way he lifted more weight because its all infinite weight. right? Soooo, we can come to the conclusion that those 3 are the strongest beings ever to appear in a comic. right? Because, gladiator, hulk, thor, kurse, the destroyer, thanos, tyrant, galactus, odin, zeus and no one else short of classic beyonder can lift infinite weight. right?
The question answers itself.
Originally posted by country1000
I want to hear it from you because if superman lifted half of infinity and CM lifted the other half, that would make them equal in strength because there is no way one lifted more than the other. right?.. But wait now, ultraman lifted it by himself but there is no way he lifted more weight because its all infinite weight. right? Soooo, we can come to the conclusion that those 3 are the strongest beings ever to appear in a comic. right? Because, gladiator, hulk, thor, kurse, the destroyer, thanos, tyrant, galactus, odin, zeus and no one else short of classic beyonder can lift infinite weight. right?
How would they know if they haven't tried?
On a more serious note, are we really trying to apply logic to a clear cut, on-panel event?
Might as well argue why the gamma bomb didn't give Banner cancer instead of making him a raging green monster....
Originally posted by country1000
I want to hear it from you because if superman lifted half of infinity and CM lifted the other half, that would make them equal in strength because there is no way one lifted more than the other. right?.. But wait now, ultraman lifted it by himself but there is no way he lifted more weight because its all infinite weight. right? Soooo, we can come to the conclusion that those 3 are the strongest beings ever to appear in a comic. right? Because, gladiator, hulk, thor, kurse, the destroyer, thanos, tyrant, galactus, odin, zeus and no one else short of classic beyonder can lift infinite weight. right?
In terms of pure feats, yes, Ultraman lifting it by himself is the best strength feat of comics. Cap and Superman lifting it together, however they tried to split the weight, still lifted infinity.
Does that make those three the strongest beings in comics? According to on panel feats, they certainly have the best ones. In terms of depiction in the overall grand scheme of things, no, I wouldn't cite them as being the strongest beings in comics.
In any case, busting a planet is, well, infinitely inferior to lifting infinite weight if we want to play the high end feat game. If we do what I and most people do, finding a baseline average for feats, Superman still certainly shines better than Gladiator. So does Hulk, Thor, etc.
Originally posted by country1000
I want to hear it from you because if superman lifted half of infinity and CM lifted the other half, that would make them equal in strength because there is no way one lifted more than the other. right?.. But wait now, ultraman lifted it by himself but there is no way he lifted more weight because its all infinite weight. right? Soooo, we can come to the conclusion that those 3 are the strongest beings ever to appear in a comic. right? Because, gladiator, hulk, thor, kurse, the destroyer, thanos, tyrant, galactus, odin, zeus and no one else short of classic beyonder can lift infinite weight. right?
Nice rant. Wonder woman lifted half of eternity too. It was you who was saying that because gladiator busted a piece of rock(albeit a giant rock), he's the strongest herald. Now Bill destroyed planetS in his fight with stardust, so now he is the strongest one, right? These space cheese feats are meaningless, superman turned the wheels of Maggedon who was bigger than entire solar system and pushed a ship through hyperspace which was towing earth and moon simultaneously. He also nearly broke earth by just free falling from upper atmosphere while nearly dead and almost powerless. Don't try to get in a feat war with Superman/Thor. Not even surfer has feats like them, gladiator who?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice rant. Wonder woman lifted half of eternity too. It was you who was saying that because gladiator busted a piece of rock(albeit a giant rock), he's the strongest herald. Now Bill destroyed planetS in his fight with stardust, so now he is the strongest one, right? These space cheese feats are meaningless, superman turned the wheels of Maggedon who was bigger than entire solar system and pushed a ship through hyperspace which was towing earth and moon simultaneously. He also nearly broke earth by just free falling from upper atmosphere while nearly dead and almost powerless. Don't try to get in a feat war with Superman/Thor. Not even surfer has feats like them, gladiator who?
And of course, you have Lobo, who doesn't do logical.....thus making any application of logic useless in a debate.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Because you know FULL well that superman does NOT have anywhere close to infinite strength. Do you not see where he tries to put hulk, thor and superman in the same boat and neither of them can lift infinite weight? By his logic, superman is stronger than a warrior madness thor wearing his belt of strength because thor would still have a cap on his strength.
How would they know if they haven't tried?On a more serious note, are we really trying to apply logic to a clear cut, on-panel event?
Might as well argue why the gamma bomb didn't give Banner cancer instead of making him a raging green monster....
But Jake's point (I think) was that if you were to simply take a single, illogical high end feat, and apply it for your character, then he would do the same, and whip out Superman and the infinite book.
On AVERAGE, would you say that Gladiator is stronger than Superman, and if so, what would you offer in terms of proof, I guess is a less combative way of putting it.
Still not sure what the discussion on strength levels would serve when Lobo threatens the comic writer to ensure he wins lol.....
Originally posted by country1000
Because you know FULL well that superman does NOT have anywhere close to infinite strength. Do you not see where he tries to put hulk, thor and superman in the same boat and neither of them can lift infinite weight? By his logic, superman is stronger than a warrior madness thor wearing his belt of strength because thor would still have a cap on his strength.
How do you know? Can you tell me what is the cap of superman's strength or Thor's strength?
Originally posted by country1000
Because you know FULL well that superman does NOT have anywhere close to infinite strength. Do you not see where he tries to put hulk, thor and superman in the same boat and neither of them can lift infinite weight? By his logic, superman is stronger than a warrior madness thor wearing his belt of strength because thor would still have a cap on his strength.
Based on that one feat, yes, he does. And as much as it pains me to admit, if we were to use that one feat to judge Superman's strength, well, he is far and away stronger than Thor and the Hulk and especially Gladiator.
Which is why I don't tend to use single one time feats as the means to gauge someone's strength, power, speed, etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Jake's point (I think) was that if you were to simply take a single, illogical high end feat, and apply it for your character, then he would do the same, and whip out Superman and the infinite book.On AVERAGE, would you say that Gladiator is stronger than Superman, and if so, what would you offer in terms of proof, I guess is a less combative way of putting it.
Still not sure what the discussion on strength levels would serve when Lobo threatens the comic writer to ensure he wins lol.....
Exactly. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendI tell you what. Lets have a feat war but we will use feats where the character fails to do certain tasks or struggle trying to do them. We will use planets, moons, asteriods and on down to cars ok? You show me gladiator failing to lift something or needing help to move or destroy something and i will do the same for superman or thor.
Nice rant. Wonder woman lifted half of eternity too. It was you who was saying that because gladiator busted a piece of rock(albeit a giant rock), he's the strongest herald. Now Bill destroyed planetS in his fight with stardust, so now he is the strongest one, right? These space cheese feats are meaningless, superman turned the wheels of Maggedon who was bigger than entire solar system and pushed a ship through hyperspace which was towing earth and moon simultaneously. He also nearly broke earth by just free falling from upper atmosphere while nearly dead and almost powerless. Don't try to get in a feat war with Superman/Thor. Not even surfer has feats like them, gladiator who?
Originally posted by country1000
I tell you what. Lets have a feat war but we will use feats where the character fails to do certain tasks or struggle trying to do them. We will use planets, moons, asteriods and on down to cars ok? You show me gladiator failing to lift something or needing help to move or destroy something and i will do the same for superman or thor.
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C'mon, man.
What does that prove? If I show you, say, Superman struggling or grunting holding up a pyramid, does that somehow invalidate Superman assisting in towing the moon? Or lifting infinite weight?
Is that what you're trying to get at? Because to me, this seems like an attempt to somehow discredit Thor and Superman's high end feats, focus on their low ones, while simultaneously clinging to Gladiator's single feat as if it were the gospel.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou will get the picture soon enough, just watch.
😆C'mon, man.
What does that prove? If I show you, say, Superman struggling or grunting holding up a pyramid, does that somehow invalidate Superman assisting in towing the moon? Or lifting infinite weight?
Is that what you're trying to get at? Because to me, this seems like an attempt to somehow discredit Thor and Superman's high end feats, focus on their low ones, while simultaneously clinging to Gladiator's single feat as if it were the gospel.