Orion,Black Adam,Lobo Vs Thor,BRB,Gladiator

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who the hell cares?

For all intents and purposes, it was a barren, lifeless, floating space rock which Gladiator vented out on. Impressive? Sure. But acting like this single feat, which Gladiator has never replicated again, puts him on a level somehow beyond people as Hulk, Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel, etc. is just about the most retarded logic I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. When pit against foes such as those I mentioned, Gladiator never overpowers them with this supposedly greater strength he possesses...which is conveniently chalked up to the equally absurd confidence excuse. "Gladiator wasn't fully confident then, so it doesn't matter."

Bullshit.

He's confident unless its stated or shown otherwise, and considering we have several examples of this on panel, we know exactly what to look for. And Gladiator, like it or not, has gotten his ass kicked without confidence being an issue. At all.

I could give a flying phuck if Gladiator didn't have as many appearances as some of the other elites, but he's been around long enough to justify where he stands in the grand scheme of things. And at best, he's an Upper Mid-Herald with some High Herald feats. He's not in the same league as people like Thor or Superman and certainly not above them, retarded leaps of faith be damned.

He's right, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's right, though.

Originally posted by country1000
BINGO!! The truth has come out as to why you try to downgrade that planet to a planetoid. You dont want gladiator to be above hulk, thor, superman or captain marvel. Well im sorry, he's stronger than them, he' faster than them plus he's meaner than them. Only hulks anger makes it debatable with him. Besides, not one of them has punched a " planetoid " to dust with their fists, well hulk did slam into a asteriod twice the size of earth with flight assist. Oh, this was for jakes post that started out with... who the hell cares.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Only 44% of that post was right...

Which 44%?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which 44%?

But we were most wrong about the most overhype feat in the Internet stuff

Originally posted by TheHulk
They are all mixed so I can't really explain..... 🙁

But we were most wrong about the most overhype feat in the Internet stuff

You made the claim. *shrug* I don't mind if you think I'm wrong, but I do ask you at least make an attempt to point out where I was wrong and why.

It's debatable, but really, that feat ranks in as one of the most hyped feats of all time from where I'm sitting as people seriously think that it somehow elevates Gladiator to a level where the top tier elites stand and in the minds of some, beyond them. Personally, I don't think we should have to wait for someone like Thor or Superman to bust a planet when it's obvious they have the feats to justify them doing so and can look at fights to see how they stand up against someone who has done so on panel. If you start using collateral damage as a measuring stick of how powerful someone is instead of direct comparisons, you're going to get to some stupid conclusions.

Originally posted by TheHulk
They are all mixed so I can't really explain..... 🙁

But we were most wrong about the most overhype feat in the Internet stuff

Originally posted by country1000
Wow. Gladiator destroys a planet on panel and he rants and try to downgrade the feat, yet superman says ( hyperbole ) his dial goes to 11 and he praises that ONE time saying as if its solid gold.

I don't have to cite Superman's hyperbolic statements (which absolutely shit on virtually everyone in comics) to justify him beating Gladiator. His actual feats do that. And when did I praise Superman's "dials going to 11!" speech like solid gold? Him barely beating Thor and turning around and claiming he was perhaps the single toughest opponent he ever faced is as much a feat for him as it is for Thor...which is inadmissible by the rules of the forum anyway.

Superman lifting half of infinity (which is still infinity) and the weight of eternity (ie. The Spectre) crap on Gladiator pounding away on some planet with hardly any substantial information.

Gladiator's all time one time showing of him destroying a planet with a few blows doesn't justify him being stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You made the claim. *shrug* I don't mind if you think I'm wrong, but I do ask you at least make an attempt to point out where I was wrong and why.

It's debatable, but really, that feat ranks in as one of the most hyped feats of all time from where I'm sitting as people seriously think that it somehow elevates Gladiator to a level where the top tier elites stand and in the minds of some, beyond them. Personally, I don't think we should have to wait for someone like Thor or Superman to bust a planet when it's obvious they have the feats to justify them doing so and can look at fights to see how they stand up against someone who has done so on panel. If you start using collateral damage as a measuring stick of how powerful someone is instead of direct comparisons, you're going to get to some stupid conclusions.

Originally posted by country1000
What feats do thor and superman have to make you believe that they can bust a planet ( its a planet when you use superman and thor huh? ) with their strength of arm?

The fact that Thor threw Earth out of orbit when arm wrestling with Hercules? The fact he's closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands? The fact his blows with Mjolnir have reverberated across all planes of reality? The fact his blows have shaken entire planets foundations? The fact that Masterson Thor nearly killed Gladiator and Thor himself beat the holy hell out of a Gladiator from the future who was bloodlusted, had prep, was a coward who used civilians to get the edge on Thor, and initiated the fight by shooting Jake Olsen with heat vision?

Superman? I'll let Pr handle that.

Conversely, what feats suggest Gladiator can move the Nine Realms? Or lift infinity?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't have to cite Superman's hyperbolic statements (which absolutely shit on virtually everyone in comics) to justify him beating Gladiator. His actual feats do that. And when did I praise Superman's "dials going to 11!" speech like solid gold? Him barely beating Thor and turning around and claiming he was perhaps the single toughest opponent he ever faced is as much a feat for him as it is for Thor...which is inadmissible by the rules of the forum anyway.

Superman lifting half of infinity (which is still infinity) and the weight of eternity (ie. The Spectre) crap on Gladiator pounding away on some planet with hardly any substantial information.

Gladiator's all time one time showing of him destroying a planet with a few blows doesn't justify him being stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by country1000
So now you claim superman has infinite strength? Answer this please, who is stronger, the superman that lifted half of infinity ( which is still infinity ) or pre-crisis superman who who could only lift planets?

Originally posted by country1000
So now you claim superman has infinite strength? Answer this please, who is stronger, the superman that lifted half of infinity ( which is still infinity ) or pre-crisis superman who who could only lift planets?

I said he lifted half of infinity on panel, which he did. Big difference. Also nice strawman technique. 👆

Pre-Crisis Superman fluctuated all over the place for one thing; it's a big misnomer that Pre-Crisis Superman is this unstoppable being as his feats could place him no higher than mid herald or far and beyond that.

Lifting half of infinity (which is still infinity) is still perhaps one of the greatest single strength feats in comics. Since you're citing Gladiator's ultimate one time feat as the sole reason why he's > Superman, I guess I'll do the same thing for Kal and whip out his single greatest strength feat ever. Only fair.

And I'll take lifting half of infinity over breaking apart a planet with a handful of blows every single time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The fact that Thor threw Earth out of orbit when arm wrestling with Hercules? The fact he's closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands? The fact his blows with Mjolnir have reverberated across all planes of reality? The fact his blows have shaken entire planets foundations? The fact that Masterson Thor nearly killed Gladiator and Thor himself beat the holy hell out of a Gladiator from the future who was bloodlusted, had prep, was a coward who used civilians to get the edge on Thor, and initiated the fight by shooting Jake Olsen with heat vision?

Superman? I'll let Pr handle that.

Conversely, what feats suggest Gladiator can move the Nine Realms? Or lift infinity?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I said he lifted half of infinity on panel, which he did. Big difference. Also nice strawman technique. 👆

Pre-Crisis Superman fluctuated all over the place for one thing; it's a big misnomer that Pre-Crisis Superman is this unstoppable being as his feats could place him no higher than mid herald or far and beyond that.

Lifting half of infinity (which is still infinity) is still perhaps one of the greatest single strength feats in comics. Since you're citing Gladiator's ultimate one time feat as the sole reason why he's > Superman, I guess I'll do the same thing for Kal and whip out his single greatest strength feat ever. Only fair.

And I'll take lifting half of infinity over breaking apart a planet with a handful of blows every single time.

Originally posted by country1000
So now you claim superman has infinite strength? Answer this please, who is stronger, the superman that lifted half of infinity ( which is still infinity ) or pre-crisis superman who who could only lift planets?

You don't know what are you talking about. Quit while you're ahead. FYI superman has koed PC Mon-el with a single slam who transported a star to another solar system and was tossing moons at Time-trapper. He has also taken on PC superboy and Three PC kryptonians and held his own.

Originally posted by country1000
My god man, calm down. Goodness... Ok, Those feats are nothing compared to busting a planet. No hammer feats please. Last, when was gladiator bloodlusted? From what i recall, gladiator punched thor across the sky for 60 seconds, yet thor made no attempt to right himself ( he was koed ) And gladiator helped thor save a plane full of people?? Yet you claim he was bloodlusted? You are reaching there my friend.

I'm perfectly calm, thanks.

Nothing? Really? News to me, broski. Discounting Mjolnir, eh? Tried and true tactic to try to cling to any semblance of Gladiator's superiority which doesn't exist.

He was trying to kill Thor the entire fight. It's the whole reason why he was sent to the present in the first place. He didn't punch Thor across the sky for 60 seconds, either. He disarmed him from Mjolnir to revert him to Jake Olsen. By the time Thor landed, his time was up, which triggered the transformation. Gladiator helped Thor save the plane due to Gladiator being an idiot the whole time. The fact that Gladiator's crusade endangered innocent people pissed Thor off - and rightfully so - and with a few blows, promptly crushed Gladiator when he announced he was no longer holding back. Gladiator even said that Thor was too powerful for him to beat, which is true. Everything I've said is shown on panel.

If you want to discount that feat as invalid as it's not Gladiator from the present time line, something Carv does a lot, you can always look at Masterson Thor vs. Gladiator, in which Eric nearly kills Gladiator and has to have Wonder Man and Vision stop him from doing so.

Originally posted by country1000
How much does infinity weigh?

The question answers itself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm perfectly calm, thanks.

Nothing? Really? News to me, broski. Discounting Mjolnir, eh? Tried and true tactic to try to cling to any semblance of Gladiator's superiority which doesn't exist.

He was trying to kill Thor the entire fight. It's the whole reason why he was sent to the present in the first place. He didn't punch Thor across the sky for 60 seconds, either. He disarmed him from Mjolnir to revert him to Jake Olsen. By the time Thor landed, his time was up, which triggered the transformation. Gladiator helped Thor save the plane due to Gladiator being an idiot the whole time. The fact that Gladiator's crusade endangered innocent people pissed Thor off - and rightfully so - and with a few blows, promptly crushed Gladiator when he announced he was no longer holding back. Gladiator even said that Thor was too powerful for him to beat, which is true. Everything I've said is shown on panel.

If you want to discount that feat as invalid as it's not Gladiator from the present time line, something Carv does a lot, you can always look at Masterson Thor vs. Gladiator, in which Eric nearly kills Gladiator and has to have Wonder Man and Vision stop him from doing so.