Originally posted by leonidas
welll, that's a pretty typical stance, as incorrect as it is, or at least as divested of context as it is. but i suspect i'll be and remain in the minority here, so i'll just leave you to your opinions.
Being in the minority doesn't make one right, and in this particular case it is you who are wrong.
Already back in the Defenders days Dr. Strange could casually bind down an enraged savage Hulk. After a futile struggle against Strange's spell Hulk would eventually give up, calm down, and resort to name-calling instead ("dumb magician"😉. Savage Hulk might not have the same base strength as the more modern versions but his potential was still the same.
More recently, WWH could not win against Dr. Strange in a direct confrontation, so he had to fake friendship and then make a surprise attack against unsuspecting Strange instead. In a versus fight such a tactic is a non-issue.
Originally posted by Magnonyea id on't think so
Being in the minority doesn't make one right, and in this particular case it is you who are wrong.Already back in the Defenders days Dr. Strange could casually bind down an enraged savage Hulk. After a futile struggle against Strange's spell Hulk would eventually give up, calm down, and resort to name-calling instead ("dumb magician"😉. Savage Hulk might not have the same base strength as the more modern versions but his potential was still the same.
More recently, WWH could not win against Dr. Strange in a direct confrontation, so he had to fake friendship and then make a surprise attack against unsuspecting Strange instead. In a versus fight such a tactic is a non-issue.
Originally posted by Magnon
Being in the minority doesn't make one right, and in this particular case it is you who are wrong.Already back in the Defenders days Dr. Strange could casually bind down an enraged savage Hulk. After a futile struggle against Strange's spell Hulk would eventually give up, calm down, and resort to name-calling instead ("dumb magician"😉. Savage Hulk might not have the same base strength as the more modern versions but his potential was still the same.
More recently, WWH could not win against Dr. Strange in a direct confrontation, so he had to fake friendship and then make a surprise attack against unsuspecting Strange instead. In a versus fight such a tactic is a non-issue.
and...... what did strange feel he had to do, exactly, to try and end the hulk's threat? saying he could snuff him with a twitch is all well and good but (1) he proved incapable of doing so, and (2) the hulk we're talking about here is FAR superior to that hulk so it is doubly irrelevent. hyperbolic statements<<<<on panel depiction. 😬
as far as your claim that i am somehow 'wrong': read my post--i said strange should win, but he certainly isn't snapping his fingers to victory unless he bfr's and i do not see this as spite as many seem to. you're previous post was riddled with inaccuracies and out of context references however.
Originally posted by leonidas
and...... what did strange feel he had to do, exactly, to try and end the hulk's threat?
Dr. Strange felt he had to try to talk to Hulk, resolve the conflict peacefully.
Originally posted by leonidas
saying he could snuff him with a twitch is all well and good but (1) he proved incapable of doing so,
When?
Originally posted by leonidas
and (2) the hulk we're talking about here is FAR superior to that hulk so it is doubly irrelevent. hyperbolic statements<<<<on panel depiction. 😬
Still, his feats (which arn't many) pale in comparison to Classic Strange's. If we ignore the hyperbolic statements, as you suggest, the most impressive thing WBH did was to cause some city-wide damage with a stomp.. nothing Thor or others couldn't do as well. WBH was then promptly defeated by some satellite attack from the orbit (= on-panel depiction).
Classic Strange has generally been shown superior to Hulk in their confrontations, although he and the WBH version of the Hulk have never fought. We can also look at their overall feats and... well, standing against the Infinity Gauntlet >>>> shaking a city with a stomp.
Originally posted by leonidas
as far as your claim that i am somehow 'wrong': read my post--i said strange should win, but he certainly isn't snapping his fingers to victory unless he bfr's and i do not see this as spite as many seem to. you're previous post was riddled with inaccuracies and out of context references however.
Point out the inaccuracies then.
Originally posted by Magnon
Dr. Strange felt he had to try to talk to Hulk, resolve the conflict peacefully.When?
Still, his feats (which arn't many) pale in comparison to Classic Strange's. If we ignore the hyperbolic statements, as you suggest, the most impressive thing WBH did was to cause some city-wide damage with a stomp.. nothing Thor or others couldn't do as well. WBH was then promptly defeated by some satellite attack from the orbit (= on-panel depiction).
Classic Strange has generally been shown superior to Hulk in their confrontations, although he and the WBH version of the Hulk have never fought. We can also look at their overall feats and... well, standing against the Infinity Gauntlet >>>> shaking a city with a stomp.
Point out the inaccuracies then.
WTF...you must haven't seen the latest showings of WBH?
Originally posted by Magnon
Dr. Strange felt he had to try to talk to Hulk, resolve the conflict peacefully.When?
Still, his feats (which arn't many) pale in comparison to Classic Strange's. If we ignore the hyperbolic statements, as you suggest, the most impressive thing WBH did was to cause some city-wide damage with a stomp.. nothing Thor or others couldn't do as well. WBH was then promptly defeated by some satellite attack from the orbit (= on-panel depiction).
Classic Strange has generally been shown superior to Hulk in their confrontations, although he and the WBH version of the Hulk have never fought. We can also look at their overall feats and... well, standing against the Infinity Gauntlet >>>> shaking a city with a stomp.
Point out the inaccuracies then.
and went zom on him.
when? when he never did it......
of course his feats pale to strange's, but the hotm arc fleshed them out some. umar certainly seemed unable to do much against this version of hulk. satellite=irrelevent to this discussion where hulk is far far superior to that version.
sigh... his victories over mephisto and dormmy are littered with context. he needs prep. both have been shown to be more powerful--far more powerful on some occasions--than strange. even with prep AND doom's help strange barely escaped hell. his 'defeat' of the inbetweener is also misleading. chaos and order allowed that defeat. ib was shown to be far beyond strange in their initial encounter and ib wasn't out to destroy strange at any point in either confrontation. and the whole ig thng is again out of context for a couple reasons and strange needed all his items to even do what he did. nebula had no clue what she was doing with it so that showing is pretty irrelevent. the death showing was a good one though, but unquantifiable and may even be a unique showing given the context of where strange was and who the enemy was. its effectiveness is difficult to gauge for those reasons. if he could replicate it i said it likely should be enough. maybe.
anyway, like i said, lots of inaccuracies and/or misrepresentations.
he has no prep here, no weapons, no anything. so yeah, i don't see this as spite.
Originally posted by guy222
happy holidays leo 🙂hardcore hulk fans will chant for hulk i am sure the thread starter wants strange to win
there's the quandary
No doubt, but the hulk fans have a problem in that WB Hulk doesn't really have many feats under his belt that would put him up against classic Strange at his best. This may be because the character is new, or simply because he cannot compete with classic Strange at his best, bloodlusted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85🙄
No doubt, but the hulk fans have a problem in that WB Hulk doesn't really have many feats under his belt that would put him up against classic Strange at his best. This may be because the character is new, or simply because he cannot compete with classic Strange at his best, bloodlusted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Says who? OP said Doc at his best, and seeing as he is at his best when having prep and with artefacts (as you yourself would agree with), why wouldn't you allow them?
fair enough. at his best, he'd have prep before the match and have access to all his gear. if that is indeed what the thread starter was going for, then i agree, strange wins handily. 👆
generally, i assume at their best means use best 'un-amped' showings but you may very well be right.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No doubt, but the hulk fans have a problem in that WB Hulk doesn't really have many feats under his belt that would put him up against classic Strange at his best. This may be because the character is new, or simply because he cannot compete with classic Strange at his best, bloodlusted.
hulk has feats
and if the battle is in the dark dimension he simply wishes strange away
i know bout doc
he's battled many....lost as well
again....strange fans want doc to win...that's cool
hulkies as myself and carver...want hulk to win
fair as it can get
Don't know if this means anything since people are bringing up recent showings but it was referenced multiple of times that Strange can not stop Hulk and here is one of the Times.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319250/Incredible_Hulks_633_010.jpg.html
Originally posted by guy222
happy holidays leo 🙂hardcore hulk fans will chant for hulk i am sure the thread starter wants strange to win
there's the quandary
there's a thread about the time keepers and count abyss wanna lend ur expertise
😂
that will always be the case. funny thing is, i'm not generally counted among the hardcore hulk fan lot. though i've always loved the character.
i'll take a peek at your thread. 🙂
