Originally posted by leonidas
fair enough. at his best, he'd have prep before the match and have access to all his gear. if that is indeed what the thread starter was going for, then i agree, strange wins handily. 👆generally, i assume at their best means use best 'un-amped' showings but you may very well be right.
Haha, sorry btw if my post sounded combative; didn't mean it to be!
Originally posted by leonidasthough you must admit this comes largely in part due to stranges reluctance with using black magic. When he does he goes beast mode on people and tears their skulls out through their rectum.
and went zom on him.when? when he never did it......
of course his feats pale to strange's, but the hotm arc fleshed them out some. umar certainly seemed unable to do much against this version of hulk. satellite=irrelevent to this discussion where hulk is far far superior to that version.
sigh... his victories over mephisto and dormmy are littered with context. he needs prep. both have been shown to be more powerful--far more powerful on some occasions--than strange. even with prep AND doom's help strange barely escaped hell. his 'defeat' of the inbetweener is also misleading. chaos and order allowed that defeat. ib was shown to be far beyond strange in their initial encounter and ib wasn't out to destroy strange at any point in either confrontation. and the whole ig thng is again out of context for a couple reasons and strange needed all his items to even do what he did. nebula had no clue what she was doing with it so that showing is pretty irrelevent. the death showing was a good one though, but unquantifiable and may even be a unique showing given the context of where strange was and who the enemy was. its effectiveness is difficult to gauge for those reasons. if he could replicate it i said it likely should be enough. maybe.
anyway, like i said, lots of inaccuracies and/or misrepresentations.
he has no prep here, no weapons, no anything. so yeah, i don't see this as spite.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know if this means anything since people are bringing up recent showings but it was referenced multiple of times that Strange can not stop Hulk and here is one of the Times.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319250/Incredible_Hulks_633_010.jpg.html
this doesnt prove, what your suggesting
All that scan says is:
Strange says that so far, he is unable to BFR him permanently.
Jen says Strange cannot stop him.
And carver, remember the thread a while back where I said on panel feats trumped statements made by people who wouldn't know better (for example, Spiderman saying the Sentry stalemated Galactus)? Yeah, this is one of those times. Classic Strange has on panel feats, which trump some lawyer Hulk-wannabe.
This is where someone corrects me and says that's not Jen, and I get embarrassed, isn't it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All that scan says is:Strange says that so far, he is unable to BFR him permanently.
Jen says Strange cannot stop him.
And carver, remember the thread a while back where I said on panel feats trumped statements made by people who wouldn't know better (for example, Spiderman saying the Sentry stalemated Galactus)? Yeah, this is one of those times. Classic Strange has on panel feats, which trump some lawyer Hulk-wannabe.
This is where someone corrects me and says that's not Jen, and I get embarrassed, isn't it?
Thats not Jen you muppet!
Haha just kidding I have no idea. But you're right, all character statements should be taken with a pinch of salt. Although I think Narrator statements should be taken much more seriously.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All that scan says is:Strange says that so far, he is unable to BFR him permanently.
Jen says Strange cannot stop him.
And carver, remember the thread a while back where I said on panel feats trumped statements made by people who wouldn't know better (for example, Spiderman saying the Sentry stalemated Galactus)? Yeah, this is one of those times. Classic Strange has on panel feats, which trump some lawyer Hulk-wannabe.
This is where someone corrects me and says that's not Jen, and I get embarrassed, isn't it?
Classic Strange SHOULD win this plus he could BFR all day long but to call it spite against WBH is exaggerating.
Originally posted by The SorrowThere is nothing I can see that classic strange can do that would hurt Hulk THAT BADLY so in my opinion there is only BFR option.
Jennifer would know Hulks capabilities better than anyone besides maybe Rick, to be fair though this Strange pales in comparison to his Sorcerer Supreme days anyway.Classic Strange SHOULD win this plus he could BFR all day long but to call it spite against WBH is exaggerating.
Other than that 👆
Originally posted by carver9That's not what the scan shows. Do you know how to read?
Don't know if this means anything since people are bringing up recent showings but it was referenced multiple of times that Strange can not stop Hulk and here is one of the Times.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319250/Incredible_Hulks_633_010.jpg.html
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Jennifer would know Hulks capabilities better than anyone besides maybe Rick, to be fair though this Strange pales in comparison to his Sorcerer Supreme days anyway.Classic Strange SHOULD win this plus he could BFR all day long but to call it spite against WBH is exaggerating.
But would she know STRANGE'S capabilities, that's the point I'm trying to make.
Originally posted by leonidas
and went zom on him.when? when he never did it......
So you agree that he didn't prove INCAPABLE to harm Hulk, he chose not to attack at all. He wanted a peaceful resolution.
Originally posted by leonidas
sigh... his victories over mephisto and dormmy are littered with context. he needs prep. both have been shown to be more powerful--far more powerful on some occasions--than strange. even with prep AND doom's help strange barely escaped hell. his 'defeat' of the inbetweener is also misleading. chaos and order allowed that defeat. ib was shown to be far beyond strange in their initial encounter and ib wasn't out to destroy strange at any point in either confrontation. and the whole ig thng is again out of context for a couple reasons and strange needed all his items to even do what he did. nebula had no clue what she was doing with it so that showing is pretty irrelevent. the death showing was a good one though, but unquantifiable and may even be a unique showing given the context of where strange was and who the enemy was. its effectiveness is difficult to gauge for those reasons. if he could replicate it i said it likely should be enough. maybe.
He has gone toe-to-toe against the enemies I mentioned and held his own for extended period of time, which proves he has similar power level than them. Even when Mephisto was supercharged (back when he kidnapped Sue and Reed) Dr. Strange could fight him in Mephisto's own realm, without any external help, until Reed figured out a solution to defeat him. I do agree though, that quite often the above-mentioned opponents were a bit above him -- but Dr. Strange could always give them a good fight.
Originally posted by leonidas
he has no prep here, no weapons, no anything. so yeah, i don't see this as spite.
He should have everything he would typically carry, as per the forum rules. That includes at least the Eye of Agamotto (which was successfully used even against Adam Warlock and the Infinity Gauntlet).
Originally posted by Magnon
So you agree that he didn't prove INCAPABLE to harm Hulk, he chose not to attack at all. He wanted a peaceful resolution.He has gone toe-to-toe against the enemies I mentioned and held his own for extended period of time, which proves he has similar power level than them. Even when Mephisto was supercharged (back when he kidnapped Sue and Reed) Dr. Strange could fight him in Mephisto's own realm, without any external help, until Reed figured out a solution to defeat him. I do agree though, that quite often the above-mentioned opponents were a bit above him -- but Dr. Strange could always give them a good fight.
He should have everything he would typically carry, as per the forum rules. That includes at least the Eye of Agamotto (which was successfully used even against Adam Warlock and the Infinity Gauntlet).
i never said he proved incapable of HARMING hulk. i said he was incapable of snuffing him out with barely a twitch. small difference there...
thor and ss have both battled mephisto for extended periods of time as well. not saying strange doesn't have some good showings--saying most of the ones typically cited have some heavy context behind them that is more often than not ignored.
and i agreed already with this last--if the thread starter intended for him to have all his weapons and some prep, he wins. no weapons, no prep it's much closer (sans bfr) than most think, imo.
Originally posted by Uriel005
though you must admit this comes largely in part due to stranges reluctance with using black magic. When he does he goes beast mode on people and tears their skulls out through their rectum.
yeah, but at best does NOT imply out of character so i wouldn't think black magic would be an option here. but again, it's not my thread. if we are actually using a singular version of strange, then, again, he wins handily. however, JUST because it;s classic strange does not necessarily imply victory like many people seem to want to believe.
^ Almost always. And Mephisto dominated Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom. Doom's mother's soul was their only chance.
Originally posted by leonidasI think this implies Doc would be somewhat out of character:
yeah, but at best does NOT imply out of character so i wouldn't think black magic would be an option here. but again, it's not my thread. if we are actually using a singular version of strange, then, again, he wins handily. however, JUST because it;s classic strange does not necessarily imply victory like many people seem to want to believe.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Doc is at his best.Both are bloodlusted.
Who wins?
