Originally posted by StoicWell it was mine so why did you need to chip in.
[B]That wasn't even my argument to begin with.
I repeat, all you have to do is check out what Nate and Franklin are capable of, and you will get the answer to your question. this is not me being argumentative, I was simply pointing out the obvious.I know what Fanklin and Nate bring, reality warping TP and TK which is not what i was asking, i was asking what do they add in terms of STRENGTH and DURABILITY as that was the whole point in regards to Carver giving the excuse about Thor n co rocking Onslaught saying he wasnt at full power implying Frankiln/Nate amped his durability when he fought Hulk same goes fro the strength issue of Hulk slugging it out.
Now if the results of that answer are above what you expected them to be, what do you want me to do about it? How do you know that Onslaught did not utilize Nate, and Franklin's power set anyways? Did it specifically ever state that Onslaught didn't?Simple he never once showed it.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
The Hulk that Thanos fought doesn't even exist anymore and it's not hyperbole if after nearly 50 years worth of comics and some of the craziest strength feats to be seen in a comic we still haven't seen a limit.
Did Thanos overpower and mock the hulk the only time they locked up in a battle of strength? A hulk who had help.. True or no?
Originally posted by StoicHaving a well to draw power from and not having been able to reach levels surpassing Thanos are two totally different things.
overpowering the Hulk in one instant somewhat bypasses the Hulks powerset, and completely ignores what it means to have an unlimited strength well to draw from.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Having a well to draw power from and not having been able to reach levels surpassing Thanos are two totally different things.
That's when your opinion is your opinion, and not everyones. Using one scene to say that Thanos could overpower the Hulk in a drawn out fight is simply flawed reasoning, especially when you consider that Wonderman also went toe to toe with merged Hulk, and stalemated with him. This is a far less powerful version of the character, and seems like a clear lowball, and an attempt to ignore the fact that the Hulk can outlift anything that Thanos lifts. This is based on company belief. If not they would call Thanos the strongest one there is, and not the Hulk.
You are also ignoring the fact that it no longer takes the Hulk loads of time to ramp up his strength like it once did. he goes from base, to being able to lift a planet and beyond in seconds. Of course you can say that we can't take what the Beyonder said about his powerset to be anything other than hyperbole, but when it is in the handbooks as well, there comes a time when I have to say that marvel holds more weight in their opinion in regards to their creation than you. me or any other poster has. It was written.
Originally posted by StoicI am not ignoring anything I simply said on panel Hulk has always had aid against Thanos. The guy has never once taken him on his own. That should tell you something. In a direct comparison Thanos overpowered him and quite easily. I have seen nothing beyond a top tier to suggest he's closed the enormous gap.
That's when your opinion is your opinion, and not everyones. Using one scene to say that Thanos could overpower the Hulk in a drawn out fight is simply flawed reasoning, especially when you consider that Wonderman also went toe to toe with merged Hulk, and stalemated with him. This is a far less powerful version of the character, and seems like a clear lowball, and an attempt to ignore the fact that the Hulk can outlift anything that Thanos lifts. This is based on company belief. If not they would call Thanos the strongest one there is, and not the Hulk.You are also ignoring the fact that it no longer takes the Hulk loads of time to ramp up his strength like it once did. he goes from base, to being able to lift a planet and beyond in seconds. Of course you can say that we can't take what the Beyonder said about his powerset to be anything other than hyperbole, but when it is in the handbooks as well, there comes a time when I have to say that marvel holds more weight in their opinion in regards to their creation than you. me or any other poster has. It was written.
Hulk is the strongest elite top tier but Thanos has never been an elite top tier. He wrestles with characters who'd make the Hulk wet the bed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not ignoring anything I simply said on panel Hulk has always had aid against Thanos. The guy has never once taken him on his own. That should tell you something. In a direct comparison Thanos overpowered him and quite easily. I have seen nothing beyond a top tier to suggest he's closed the enormous gap.Hulk is the strongest elite top tier but Thanos has never been an elite top tier. He wrestles with characters who'd make the Hulk wet the bed.
Thanos overpowered the Hulk that was locked at a certain level (Merged Hulk) shit Maestro whipped the hell out of Merged Hulk worse than Thanos ever did. All Thanos did was take two guys that weighed far less than he could lift, and mash their heads together, he simply exploited their centers of gravity. There was no fight. Again this was merged Hulk that he did this to, and not the Hulk of today who doesn't need time to ramp up. I don't know how long people will hold onto that one scene to prove absolutely nothing. They never fought. Never.
What we do know though, is that Thanos has never once on panel lifted more than the Hulk has on panel.
Originally posted by StoicMaestro isn't in the same league as Thanos and Thanos has defeated far superior characters than Maestro. It's not even close.
Thanos overpowered the Hulk that was locked at a certain level (Merged Hulk) shit Maestro whipped the hell out of Merged Hulk worse than Thanos ever did. All Thanos did was take two guys that weighed far less than he could lift, and mash their heads together, he simply exploited their centers of gravity. There was no fight. Again this was merged Hulk that he did this to, and not the Hulk of today who doesn't need time to ramp up. I don't know how long people will hold onto that one scene to prove absolutely nothing. They never fought. Never.What we do know though, is that Thanos has never once on panel lifted more than the Hulk has on panel.
Thanos overpowered Hulk and the Thing. It wasn't just Hulk. Thanos mocked their strength making it quite clear he's considerably stronger not like he used skill to achieve the feat. I see you ignore their encounters I would to if I were a Hulk fan. Denial is an ugly thing.
Feats don't determine superiority of strength. Never have and never will.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maestro isn't in the same league as Thanos and Thanos has defeated far superior characters than Maestro. It's not even close.Thanos overpowered Hulk and the Thing. It wasn't just Hulk. Thanos mocked their strength making it quite clear he's considerably stronger not like he used skill to achieve the feat. I see you ignore their encounters I would to if I were a Hulk fan. Denial is an ugly thing.
Feats don't determine superiority of strength. Never have and never will.
Again this is all your opinion, and we can go back and forth, but Thanos can not, and has not ever on panel lifted more than the Hulk has lifted on panel. And you did contradict yourself as Psycho Gundam stated.
You seem not to be able to grasp that he only mashed their heads together, and that he did this to the merged Hulk. You seem to ignore that it was also not a fight, and that I can't take Thanos saying that he was strength personified by just his words. How many times has other characters said this only to have their asses handed to them? Too many to count.
Aside from this not being a throw down thread and it being a who can lift more thread. Thanos has no on panel feats that says that he can hang with the Hulk in a lifting contest. Not one. Anything outside of this fact, is just spam, and this should have never gone past page one.
Hulk wins.
Originally posted by StoicNo, he was incorrect I at no point ignored anything. If you want me to go on and explain why both you and he are incorrect I can do so. I kinda wanted to hear him out so I could kindly tell him the difference.
Again this is all your opinion, and we can go back and forth, but Thanos can not, and has not ever on panel lifted more than the Hulk has lifted on panel. And you did contradict yourself as Psycho Gundam stated.You seem not to be able to grasp that he only mashed their heads together, and that he did this to the merged Hulk. You seem to ignore that it was also not a fight, and that I can't take Thanos saying that he was strength personified by just his words. How many times has other characters said this only to have their asses handed to them? Too many to count.
Aside from this not being a throw down thread and it being a who can lift more thread. Thanos has no on panel feats that says that he can hang with the Hulk in a lifting contest. Not one. Anything outside of this fact, is just spam, and this should have never gone past page one.
Hulk wins.
When heroes are attacking you it is a fight. Granted it was a short altercation Thanos still easily overpowered both of them. The meaning of the scan is plain to see Thanos is stronger than the Hulk. It's ok to admit that. You will feel so much better.
This thread is about who is stronger. The answer is Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did Thanos overpower and mock the hulk the only time they locked up in a battle of strength? A hulk who had help.. True or no?
This thread was about who has the better strength feats and there is no way in hell Thanos has more impressive strength feats than Hulk unless the only arc you have read with him in is WWH.
Originally posted by Stoic
That's when your opinion is your opinion, and not everyones. Using one scene to say that Thanos could overpower the Hulk in a drawn out fight is simply flawed reasoning, especially when you consider that Wonderman also went toe to toe with merged Hulk, and stalemated with him. This is a far less powerful version of the character, and seems like a clear lowball, and an attempt to ignore the fact that the Hulk can outlift anything that Thanos lifts. This is based on company belief. If not they would call Thanos the strongest one there is, and not the Hulk.You are also ignoring the fact that it no longer takes the Hulk loads of time to ramp up his strength like it once did. he goes from base, to being able to lift a planet and beyond in seconds. Of course you can say that we can't take what the Beyonder said about his powerset to be anything other than hyperbole, but when it is in the handbooks as well, there comes a time when I have to say that marvel holds more weight in their opinion in regards to their creation than you. me or any other poster has. It was written.
All of this is pointless since that was a weaker Hulk. Thanos wouldnt have a prayer in doing current Hulk like that. Thanos needs a amp.
Originally posted by carver9😂 Thanos has looked better in a direct comparison the only way for someone to claim Hulk is stronger is looking at a feat(story Thanos isn't in) and pretending Thanos couldn't do it.
Modern day comics, you will never find anyone doing anything like that in a comic minus the Hulk.