Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

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Originally posted by Spire
Lol.

Don't respond to him. Save the scans. He is just a troll. I mean really. Look:

First thing I saw was his mention of "whatever superman that is" which leads me to believe he doesn't know that is in fact post crisis Superman.

Second, his argument is retarded. It is basically that because Flash is faster than Superman, Superman is slow.

Next, we have Superman isn't as fast as you make him out to be. This is equally retarded as Superman is as fast as the scans have just shown him to be.

Could you please clear it up for me then, since i was talking about current superman (post crisis ). When he said " byrnes superman ( a weaker version ) and you said one was " jurgens superman" ( a more powerful one ) I got to thinking that, well, lets see which superman is faster, jurgens superman, or byrne superman.. In other words, dont try and use a superman with different writers to show his speed. I use the term current superman and you 2 bring up jurgens and byrne superman. And superman is no-where near flash in speed.
http://thelowerfrequencies.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/flash-vs-superman.jpg

^That's when barry was black flash and pwning other speedsters too, so it's inadmissable. What did you expect from Geoff johns? Nobody is as fast as a flash, what's that supposed to prove?

Originally posted by country1000
Thor has Godlike reflexes and superman cannot attack at light speed anyway.

Im pretty sure he can. Although it may be his higher end feats, but he has done it.

Originally posted by country1000
The only speedsters that could move beyond light speed in an attack ( well at least 2 that are worth mentioning ) are flash and gladiator.

😕

^ He's from CBR Darth, what do you expect?

Damn superman flew right through him without even trying. To show how fast superman was going, ss whiffed on thanos when he tried to grab the IG from him.

Originally posted by country1000
Could you please clear it up for me then, since i was talking about current superman (post crisis ). When he said " byrnes superman ( a weaker version ) and you said one was " jurgens superman" ( a more powerful one ) I got to thinking that, well, lets see which superman is faster, jurgens superman, or byrne superman.. In other words, dont try and use a superman with different writers to show his speed. I use the term current superman and you 2 bring up jurgens and byrne superman. And superman is no-where near flash in speed.
http://thelowerfrequencies.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/flash-vs-superman.jpg

Which Superman is faster? This is basically asking is Superman more powerful than Superman?

The answer is no. Also, comics aren't written for battle boards.

John Byrne was given the go ahead to revamp Superman. He was a proponent of "Superman is too powerful," and when he took over drastically weakened him and took a Marvelized approach to the character.

This was different from your father's Superman:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.06/myth.html

http://www.quora.com/Superman/Why-are-writers-fixated-on-making-Superman-an-Everyman-filled-with-doubt-fear-etc-when-its-not-conducive-to-the-character

No more Superman being causally punched through time, shrugging it off and flying back in the in page. However, Byrne still held the position that Superman is Superman. He is as strong as he needs to be. He tried to go with the psionic based Superman TK fields that protected his clothes and let him lift heavy objects with out them collapsing under their own weight.

Jurgens continued with this basically as pretty much every writer has. Jurgens also, explored that Superman was constantly suppressing his power on a sub-conscious level. It wasn't simply holding back. Jurgens showed a weakened and near death Superman getting his ass kick all over town by Doomsday. This dying Superman in his final moments picked himself up, the mental blocks came down and he killed a team wrecker his bare hands in moments.

Jurgens, has also said Superman takes 99 out of 100 fights while being generous Silver Surfer and that he is a lot more powerful than Thor. As for battle board speed feats, Jurgens definitely. Hell, he even had Flash and Supes race.

That is why I said Jurgens is one of the most powerful Supes writers.

I dunno about most powerful, really, but Jurgens on the super titles was one of my favorite times in reading Superman, all the death of superman, funeral, the Supermen, the war for metropolis, etcetc

It was really when he came back from the dead that he started going all powered up.

re: the famous supes appearing as a statue issue: unlike flash, superman does not REMAIN in a state of hyperspeed. he has to AVTIVELY enter that state, and he needs to focus his powers, including his own mental processes. superman can and has remained in a state of hyperspeed for prolonged periods of time, effortlessly. here he actually catches flash after he WILLFULLY searches for him, and goes on to have a full 6-7 pg conversation with him in a hyperspeed state. flash is still the flash and is easily the fastest character in comics, but this serves to show just how fast kal CAN be when he chooses to be:

http://imageshack.us/f/854/superman709008.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/809/superman709009.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/superman709010.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/641/superman709011.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/37/superman709012.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/407/superman709016.jpg/

Originally posted by leonidas
re: the famous supes appearing as a statue issue: unlike flash, superman does not REMAIN in a state of hyperspeed. he has to AVTIVELY enter that state, and he needs to focus his powers, including his own mental processes. superman can and has remained in a state of hyperspeed for prolonged periods of time, effortlessly. here he actually catches flash after he WILLFULLY searches for him, and goes on to have a full 6-7 pg conversation with him in a hyperspeed state. flash is still the flash and is easily the fastest character in comics, but this serves to show just how fast kal CAN be when he chooses to be:

http://imageshack.us/f/854/superman709008.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/809/superman709009.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/superman709010.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/641/superman709011.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/37/superman709012.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/407/superman709016.jpg/

this is why its such a joke to me when ppl say superman's speed isn't a HUGE advantage against thor

superman is VASTLY faster than thor, and it is an OVERWHELMING advantage

Originally posted by Starscream M
this is why its such a joke to me when ppl say superman's speed isn't a HUGE advantage against thor

superman is VASTLY faster than thor, and it is an OVERWHELMING advantage

i partially agree with you--i think in some of their battles that speed would indeed be played up and be an overwhelming advantage. in others, it wouldn't be played up as much. i try and look at ways the battle might go out of 10. for years i've said i'd take kal over thor for the slimmest majority, but i could actually see each battle being quite a bit different from one another.

With the speed of flash, a normal human can hit as hard as superman, now if superman uses the speed of flash and hits with his level of strength, how powerful will his punch be?

Originally posted by Diesldude
With the speed of flash, a normal human can hit as hard as superman, now if superman uses the speed of flash and hits with his level of strength, how powerful will his punch be?
As hard as Flash

Originally posted by leonidas
re: the famous supes appearing as a statue issue: unlike flash, superman does not REMAIN in a state of hyperspeed. he has to AVTIVELY enter that state, and he needs to focus his powers, including his own mental processes. superman can and has remained in a state of hyperspeed for prolonged periods of time, effortlessly. here he actually catches flash after he WILLFULLY searches for him, and goes on to have a full 6-7 pg conversation with him in a hyperspeed state. flash is still the flash and is easily the fastest character in comics, but this serves to show just how fast kal CAN be when he chooses to be:

http://imageshack.us/f/854/superman709008.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/809/superman709009.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/superman709010.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/641/superman709011.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/37/superman709012.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/407/superman709016.jpg/

No one is saying superman is slow. I know superman is faster than thor, but when it comes to combat speed, thor can and has countered speeds reaching light. I know that superman has caught flash like in the scans you posted, but my scan shows what happens when flash does not want to bother with superman, a big difference. The zoom flash fight shows that supermans combat speed is far less than flash and flash borrowed speed to reach light speed in an instant. ( combat speed and superman was a statue ) The scans i have seen here are impressive, but show me superman fighting at light speed or better yet, show me him fighting at a speed that thor has not countered.

Not trying to be funny, but i wonder what CBR has to say about KMC since people keep bringing up that im from that place. ( which im not )

Originally posted by abhilegend
^ He's from CBR Darth, what do you expect?
No i am not. Nice picture of superman on your page by the way. Tells me all i need to know.

Originally posted by country1000
No one is saying superman is slow. I know superman is faster than thor, but when it comes to combat speed, thor can and has countered speeds reaching light. I know that superman has caught flash like in the scans you posted, but my scan shows what happens when flash does not want to bother with superman, a big difference. The zoom flash fight shows that supermans combat speed is far less than flash and flash borrowed speed to reach light speed in an instant. ( combat speed and superman was a statue ) The scans i have seen here are impressive, but show me superman fighting at light speed or better yet, show me him fighting at a speed that thor has not countered.

Not trying to be funny, but i wonder what CBR has to say about KMC since people keep bringing up that im from that place. ( which im not )

Would this help

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/speedblitzor1.jpg

I already answered that on previous page, barry was black flash at the time and wally had absorbed Bart,Jay and Liberty belle's speed and spoken Johnny quick's formula which increases a speedster's speed twofold. If you want to stick to the notion that thor can easily counter Kal's speed why don't you post his reaction feats instead of lowballing superman?

Originally posted by country1000
No i am not. Nice picture of superman on your page by the way. Tells me all i need to know.

Yes, you're from cbr, I'm on cbr too by the same user name. WTH is that supposed to mean; that I am biased towards superman? Feel free to think that.

Originally posted by country1000
No one is saying superman is slow. I know superman is faster than thor, but when it comes to combat speed, thor can and has countered speeds reaching light.

really? sustained, light or near-light speed attacks? i'd love to see him counter h2h superspeed.

I know that superman has caught flash like in the scans you posted, but my scan shows what happens when flash does not want to bother with superman, a big difference.

sort of irrelevent. flash>kal. who's ever said otherwise. i don't see why flash>kal implies anything about the way kal can move and attack relative to thor. 😕

The zoom flash fight shows that supermans combat speed is far less than flash

well, it IS slower. what MY scans show is that their speed also WORKS differently, and so your own scan isn't entirely relevent, or can, at least, be explained. superman needs to actively access his speed, unlike flash. superman couldn't initially see or even RECOGNIZE flash in my scans. it took him a second to focus. IN that second, flash of course could have done umpteen thousands of actions. however, once he DID focus, he could not only PERCEIVE flash, he could match and catch him, and even sustain hyperspeed for prolonged periods, effortlessly. were thor in that diner, there is no reason imo to believe that thor wouldn't have been a statue.

and flash borrowed speed to reach light speed in an instant. ( combat speed and superman was a statue ) The scans i have seen here are impressive, but show me superman fighting at light speed or better yet, show me him fighting at a speed that thor has not countered.

you say he's countered lightspeed. where exactly? you mean deflecting lasers with his hammer and those types of attacks? show me thor countering a true near-lightspeed, h2h attack. could he? maybe. but i'm curious to see your 'definitive' proof that he can do so.

Not trying to be funny, but i wonder what CBR has to say about KMC since people keep bringing up that im from that place. ( which im not )

have no idea. never been there........

http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/252266793710657011

Originally posted by Spire
http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/252266793710657011

😂 ODG and Rage are going to kill Brevoort.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was an energy blast the originated from Thor, not a lightning bolt from the sky. Do you even read the scans I post?
Yes I read it. Thor say's he is the god of thunder and then you see a bolt from the sky aimed on him. Almost Shazam like. I seen that scan before though several times.

Depends on whether or not you count it as a God Blast. I personally don’t, ODG might. Either way, it’s sufficiently powerful enough to finish off Superman.

It's not a god blast so I disagree. It may hurt Superman but Superman at his best has endured far worst magical blasts and remained in the fight. He even endured Kryptonite and Red Sun radiation when he was determined enough.

It was an omni-directional explosion when Thor struck the Midgard Serpent, it counts.

No it wasn't. It was multi-directional but not omni.

Still sufficiently powerful enough to suit the needs of this discussion.

No it isn't. Supes can avoid it if it's not omnidirectional or just by attacking Thor before he does it. And it isn't powerful enough to finish Superman off, maybe hurt him but not finish him off.

Please stop talking out of your ass, it was cannon.

I accepted it, did you read ALL of my post? Why waste your time and energy here?

What’s your definition of omni-directional?

ALL directions covered. No space between.

What the hell are you talking about? We can see the energy blast being projected from Thor.

I said I accept that one too. Read my post again. It just look like something from the top though. Why talk as if I didn't accept it?

In all of those instances I posted, he draws the energy into the hammer. Thor pointing Mjolnir at the source isn’t prove that he can’t absorb energy without pointing in that direction.

I have no idea why I’m indulging your stupidity but here he doesn’t even point the hammer towards the energy source:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/NullBombAbsorb.jpg

You didn't understand me. I said a BEAM. He can't absorb a beam (like a laser) without pointing towards the beam. For, example if a beam is shot from behind him. Then even if Mjolnir can try to absorb it, the beam would go straight through Thor (if it is strong enough) in order for Mjolnir to try to absorb is since the angle of the beam with the hammer is negligible. Note: This is assuming that Thor can even absorb beams without even blocking the beam straight on.

Skuttlebutt flies past Thor at many times the speed of light. The Odinson turns around and immediately catches up to it. This proves that he doesn’t need to whirl his hammer or any other such bullshit to hit speeds far faster than light.

Huh? I never said Thor needs to whirl the hammer to fly faster than light. I said he needs the whirl it to throw the hammer faster than light. Once in flight Thor can always accelerate without whirling the hammer. You got me all messed up here. Also, it took Thor time to catch up with it, it wasn't instant. Also, I'm referring to speed from rest and not speed when someone is already going faster than light. It takes time for Thor to reach light speed from rest. This is all that matters in this fight.

I’m not going to indulge your trolling.

How did I troll? I accepted some of the feats as omnidirectional. I even made new arguments for them. But clearly you are arguing for ODG since he was the one who claimed GOD blast when it wasn't shown to be.

Not a likely scenario.

He isn’t withstanding those attacks and then counterattacking in that manner.

You claim that the scene with Durok is irrelevant and yet you reference it here as evidence that a God Blast weakens Thor?

I’ve proven otherwise.

It's more likely than Thor doing a omnidirectional blast from the bell. If he does it then Superman pops him before he tries or at worst Superman withstands enough HV through Thor.

It wasn't a god blast. Comics already portrayed the God blast weakening Thor after awhile of emitting it. Should we throw that out? Or should we accept (without on panel evidence) that Thor contradicts what was shown before and can God blast for eternity without ever getting weak from it?

1) Like I said, depends entirely on ODG definition. If he wants to call it a God Blast type attack, you are really in no position to argue with him.

Of course I am. Actually it isn't an opinion. Nothing exists in comics until proven otherwise. The onus is to prove it is a God blast. After all he made the claim. If he can't do that then it isn't by default (and thus a fact).

2) That’s a blatant lie.

If it is a lie then which scan shows Thor absorbing a BEAM without pointing towards it?

3) That’s a blatant lie.
Show me the scan where Thor reaches light speed from rest without any time passing by and then it will be an untruth on my part (not a blatant lie though lol).

4) What?

I brought that point up against ODG and it wasn't refuted by the scans.