Originally posted by country1000
Wait a minute, superman did not speed himself up to match them. He himself admitted he WAS speeded up. Not his doing. Leo you are right, context is a lost art is it not?
No, that was his excuse for why a seemingly non poweded Clark could be overiding a time stop, you know secret identitiy and all
Originally posted by country1000
Proof please, but i have no problem with it if its true.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is another nano-second feat from superman
Scan doesn't work. Show both nano second fts.
Originally posted by abhilegendI will ask you again, show me a scan of superman fighting or blitzing someone at light speed. Dont show m scans of him CLAIMING or saying things, because i could put up scans of him saying he cannot outrun light. But that's just talk also. I dont want talk, i want to see him fighting at or blitzing someone at light speed, nothing more nothing less. And scans of him beating up lobo at high speeds will not cut it either, i could make the same arguement for lobo too...
^The other feat is posted on the last page. Now hurry to find something and discredit that feat carv like "humans were pulling too".
Originally posted by country1000
I will ask you again, show me a scan of superman fighting or blitzing someone at light speed. Dont show m scans of him CLAIMING or saying things, because i could put up scans of him saying he cannot outrun light. But that's just talk also. I dont want talk, i want to see him fighting at or blitzing someone at light speed, nothing more nothing less. And scans of him beating up lobo at high speeds will not cut it either, i could make the same arguement for lobo too...
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7604/1076499-lobovssupermanaos464_7_super.jpg
Dude stop it. Superman can react, move and fight much faster than Thor. Theres no doubt about that.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dude stop it. Superman can react, move and fight much faster than Thor. Theres no doubt about that.
Yeah, he's asking to prove Superman is a rocket, when all he needs to be is a bullet train to Thor's Ferrari..
Personally, I wouldn't put Superman's reflexes in, say, Monica Rambeau's class, but that's not necessary to prove here..
Originally posted by abhilegend
^ He's from CBR Darth, what do you expect?
Gladiator being a high end speedster is a cbr thing, true, but arguing Thor is faster than Superman is purely a Thor fan thing. I know some of the better CBR posters who don't even believe Thor's faster than Nefaria, and he's either sub sonic or barely super sonic..
Originally posted by h1a8... what? You think a telepathic blast is slower than a bullet? Why would that even matter? Thor's batted bullets away so he's faster than bullets anyway... And what scans are you referring to? I haven't even posted anything yet.
Faster than thought is still super slow. It's not even bullet speed. Thor would literally be a statue. Thor Omnidirectional blasts aren't purely omnidirectional. Look at the scans again and you will see spaces between the blast.
Originally posted by h1a8... I... kinda made a Respect Thread for that purpose...
Prove it. Show me Thor doing an AOE godblast from his body in context.
Originally posted by h1a8....
The speed of thought is pretty slow you know. It's not even .00000001% of the speed of light. Why bring up that stupid stuff? And don't talk to me about Thor's feat against Phoenix as1. That attack wasn't faster than light since it had visible fire like energy on it and was shown to move in time.
2. Phoenix telegraphed by pointing her hands at Thor before the blast came out.Also Thor can't draw HV or any beam into the hammer (especially when it is behind him), he must block it. Otherwise, show me Thor absorbing a beam attack at him without having the block it first.
1. ... x2
2. ... Thor hadn't moved his arms into position until after the blast had already been fired... I... kinda left out the dozens upon dozens of feats where it's possible/likely that Thor telegraphed...
Originally posted by h1a8... I... I am going to run out of periods...
Mjolnir cannot travel light speed or faster instantly. It must take serious time to accelerate to those speeds. In one scan it took Thor many seconds just to reach light speed flying with it. In others, Thor had to whirl the hell out of Mjolnir before throwing it at fast speeds. Thor has no showings where the hammer reached faster than light speeds after throwing it without spending the time whirling it first.
... h1a8... do me a favor and give me a comment that does not leave me dumbfounded and/or speechless... please... ?
Starscream is Daffy Duck..
Originally posted by Starscream MOk. Let's try and engage in a constructive discussion.
ODG, are you suggesting thor can keep up with superman's speed?
What exactly do you mean by "keep up"? Like... keeping pace move for move? Or merely being able to counter given sufficient opportunity (that would be afforded by... let's say really high-end durability/stamina)?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0what I mean is if superman actually used his speed and tried to blitz thor, that thor can even distinguish superman from a blur and be able to even comprehend his movement and then defend against superman's full speed? I really don't see it happening. You can argue superman won't use his full speed, and I can at least accept that as a possibility.
Ok. Let's try and engage in a constructive discussion.What exactly do you mean by "keep up"? Like... keeping pace move for move? Or merely being able to counter given sufficient opportunity (that would be afforded by... let's say really high-end durability/stamina)?
Originally posted by Starscream MI do see it happening. Light, lasers and bullets don't even leave blurs. They're faster. So are speedsters. So are superspeedsters. Thor's dealt with them all throughout his career. Superman's not special in that regard just because he's Superman.
what I mean is if superman actually used his speed and tried to blitz thor, that thor can even distinguish superman from a blur and be able to even comprehend his movement and then defend against superman's full speed? I really don't see it happening. You can argue superman won't use his full speed, and I can at least accept that as a possibility.
I'm not arguing that Superman won't be using his full combat superspeed -- that combat superspeed which is based on his on-panel feats that likely matches, possibly surpasses light speed. I'm just arguing that Thor will be using his full superspeed reflexes -- those superspeed reflexes which is also based on his on-panel feats that has matched, and countered light speed attacks.
I'll understand if you think that's unfair.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That's what i have been asking them to do. Show superman attacking any character at speeds that thor cannot or have not already countered. I have seen not one scan nor have i seen superman attack or blitz at light speed. Thor HAS countered those types of attacks as has beta ray bill. I know superman is fast, but he has never shown anything that thor cannot handle.
I do see it happening. Light, lasers and bullets don't even leave blurs. They're faster. So are speedsters. So are superspeedsters. Thor's dealt with them all throughout his career. Superman's not special in that regard just because he's Superman.I'm not arguing that Superman won't be using his full combat superspeed -- that combat superspeed which is based on his on-panel feats that likely matches, possibly surpasses light speed. I'm just arguing that Thor will be using his full superspeed reflexes -- those superspeed reflexes which is also based on his on-panel feats that has matched, and countered light speed attacks.
I'll understand if you think that's unfair.
Originally posted by abhilegendQuicksilver amped on Isotope E? Because in Bloodties, which you referenced, Exodus wtfpwned Quicksilver with a tp blast when Quicksilver was trying to speed around:
So tell me what feats does thor posses that prove he's lightspeed fast? Digging a trench or reacting to gladiator or reacting to surfer? Don't bring up "whirling mjolnir at bazillion times lightspeed", that so many thor fans likes to show. Quicksilver evaded the mental bolt of Exodus, so whether exodus beat him or not is moot.
Originally posted by abhilegendI wasted all my "..." on h1a8. You just get exasperated smilies. 😬
I think wolverine has also done some things like that, I am not sure though.
Originally posted by abhilegendStop acting like vibrating intangible is a wtfpwnerz Flash/Zoom+ speed feat. Speed of the noob Young Avengers can go intangible and make people/objects intangible through things:
Actually majority of time superman is just under the speed of flash unless you can show me some other speedster becoming intangible
Originally posted by abhilegendMjolnir's far exceeded traveling light years in minutes. And neither of those even approach Flash's upper levels of speed at all. You really think Flash can't travel light years' worth of distance in minutes? And matching the specific frequency of an interdimensional object doesn't exactly depend on the upper limits of Flash/Zoom superspeed. It was more about precisely imitating that dimension's frequency. Like Superman singing Darkseid out of existence with specific counterfrequencies wasn't exactly superspeeding his tonsil's vibrations but more precisely attuning the sounds he created to that counterfrequency.
and has done things with speed not even flashes have done (vibrating an entire planet to another dimension, travelling lightyears in minutes).
Originally posted by abhilegend... phucking christ. There are Zoom and Professor Zoom fanboys here who will rip you to pieces over this stupidity. Don't say I didn't warn you.
You are wrong, bizzaro has stalemated Zoom in footrace and Kal stopped Professor zoom in mid blitz after which Thawne admitted that his reflexes are nearly same to his own.
Originally posted by abhilegendBarry and Wally were approaching (and were just surpassing) light speed in that scene of Final Crisis you're referring to. Barry specifically states how fast they were going:
He has also reacted and identified Barry while he was going at top speed in final crisis. But to you all of that is PIS, isn't it? If you are trying to prove superman and thor are in the same speed department, at least try to know superman's feats. I get it, you have tried to convince everyone for years that Thor is a speedster, good luck with that.
That's not Barry's top speed at all. You've fit a helluva lot o phail in your post, dude. And nearly all of it concerns simple facts in the comics... not even arguable opinions/interpretations. Christ.
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