Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

Originally posted by Stoic
I’m actually looking. It wasn’t in Superman 175 though where he battles DD Rex.

I made a mistake and posted this in the wrong thread to my embarrassment, but this is what someone stated that Superman can do based upon his speed.

SUPERMAN, WE'RE CURIOUS, HOW SUPER ARE YOU?

We've clocked Superman at mach 9350 inside earth’s atmosphere. That speed equates to around 2000/miles per second. Simple multiplication shows us that Superman's speed within our atmosphere is 120,000/miles per minute.
While on a galactic mission for peace, Superman triggered a malfunction inside our deep system satellite, the “Hubble-Millennia”. Sagantech was interviewed about the reported malfunction and we were all shocked to find out “a malfunction is the built in response to an object breaking light speed".
Let's assume (not my favorite thing to do) the fight was with an Earthling, Jet Li perhaps. Superman has just dodged an 80 mph 3 piece combo leaving Jet Li, out of JP8 for the next 60 seconds.
Superman moves at 120,000/miles per minute. There are 5,280 feet in a mile. That means Superman can move at 633,000,000/feet per minute. His first punch is launched from two feet away at mach 9350. Superman retracts his fist the same 24 inches and fires again.
We have 2 feet required for each knuckle sandwich being delivered and 2 feet needed to load the next. Superman’s fist moves at 633,000,000/feet per minute. When we divide that number by the 4 feet required each time he jacks Jet's jaw, we can inform Miss Lane at the “Planet” we're certain that
SUPERMAN CAN GIVE 158,400,000 punches in one minute.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Methinks thou protest too much. If you stick to on-panel evidence rather than preconceived notions/extrapolations, you might find less reason to fuss about it.

Rebirth Superman punched DD like over 4000 times. I think that's what Stoic is trying to remember

ODG, you’re not quite understanding how a battle board works. At one time I too made this mistake. While we are limited to using on panel evidence to show how powerful these characters are, things differ slightly under battle board conditions. For one, we eliminate plot that may show us our favorite character being beaten up by far less than it should really take to defeat them. We do this by using the full capacity rule. This means that Superman is allowed to use his full speed in combat, just like the Hulk is allowed to use his full unbridled strength.

You seem to be trying to ignore Superman’s full speed as well as his full strength and powers. He can even increase his speed by purposely slowing his opponent down with freeze breath, which in my honest opinion would be overkill here.

^ I have no nefarious plan to overthrow how every poster must consider battleboard fights. I asked you a question:

Originally posted by ODG
I suppose in a similar way that similar opponents have reacted when Superman does that on-panel. Would that notion offend you?

I just feel the subsequent conversation has been full of goal-post moving.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I have no nefarious plan to overthrow how every poster must consider battleboard fights. I asked you a question: Maybe let's reset. Forget whether the notion offends you. You do seem to disagree with the notion. So I am inviting you to show me these on-panel instances you're relying on. You don't have to. I'll walk away from this... inquiry... question... challenge??? of mine? To me it's just a request. Unnecessary to argue about it.

I just feel the subsequent conversation has been full of goal-post moving.

I could not find the comic that Superman launches what I believe was over 3000 punches. H1 may have been correct of the era, but again I could not find it. What I am saying is that we can not ignore his ability to move far faster than the characters listed here. He would literally be able to avoid every physical strike launched upon him. He would alway beat them to the punch. What you see in comic books is always plot induced. For example; the Flash should almost never have fights that last longer than one second based upon how fast he actually is, or the speeds that he can actually achieve.

You would literally need a character that has an active time dilating machine and a high powered computer rigged by a character like Iron Man to do battle with Superman, and then you have his other extreme attributes. Strength, durability, gravity control, energy projection, etc. just to break even. However, he can then take it up several thousand notches by flying into a star.

My question to you is this, are you willing to ignore his speed advantage? Do you want to argue that he has no super speed, and that he actually moves at the same rate of speed as the characters in this thread? If you argue that he is as slow as they are, we really have a completely different opinion, and this will become a circular argument. However I am more than certain, that( do not actually have to look for a citing to establish that Superman is much faster than they are.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I have no nefarious plan to overthrow how every poster must consider battleboard fights. I asked you a question: Maybe let's reset. Forget whether the notion offends you. You do seem to disagree with the notion. So I am inviting you to show me these on-panel instances you're relying on. You don't have to. I'll walk away from this... inquiry... question... challenge??? of mine? To me it's just a request. Unnecessary to argue about it.

I just feel the subsequent conversation has been full of goal-post moving.

Think you should give up on this. He's debating off of his interpretation rather than providing on panel proof. Think you've asked him to show scans but he has as of yet to post them. You have the patience of steel.

ODG, are you claiming that these characters can speed up enough to react to Superman nearly going blow for blow with him? It’s arguable, but that would be the absolute only way for that to actually be possible. We know that in a foot race, Superman would lap the Hulk in a race around the planet many many times. This attributes greatly to the literal differences in the rate of speed that they can do things like throw punches, or again to run. If we were to look at this with any amount of logic, we would have to take these things into consideration. Durability at this point is questionable, as well as strength if we are to consider both sides. But time travel is something that would slip through their fingers. He never has to allow them the opportunity to strike him because at super speed, he is always far ahead of them because of the way that time operates. He simply perceives things far faster than they do, or we would have to ignore his massive speed level in comparison to his.

Why do you want me to show you things that you already know exist? I am considering their powers. Can Thor bend time in order to keep up with Superman in a fight? If so, why is he being tagged by everyone? Superman gets tagged, but we have also seen that he has a defense against being tagged. He simply vibrates through it. I’ve never seen Thor or the Hulk, and Iron Man do this.

I’ve seen Tony have his armor removed piece by piece by FTL characters, so he has nothing either. Unless it’s when he transcended to cosmic. It’s just the way that it is if counting gear and the full capabilities being cited. Superman is fast enough to hurt them at a greater rate than they can hurt him. You ever watch a boxing match? MMA style fight? Same thing here.

I can point out that Superman and possibly Thor may be able to bend time with Mjolnir, but then again evidence points to the contrary. Gladiator for example should almost always beat Thor, but they’ve turned off the invulnerability and replaced it with guesstimates.

Unless it is being claimed that Superman did not have the power to hurt them? Can this be proven. It is already canon and official that Superman is far faster than these guys.

Superman vs Doomsday Rex Carver. Is that proof enough? It’s in Superman 175. Go check it out. J’onn is pretty darned fast, and DD caught his punch, so we now truly know without a doubt, that Doomsday has legit super speed. Superman in a scene phases through his punches showing his superior speed, and even attacking him on multiple fronts before DD could react to hit him. So you brought up an excellent reference point from the start. Do we ignore this?

Carver did you ever bother to read the OP and the full implications of it?

Superman 175 may be all that is needed after all.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman vs Doomsday Rex Carver. Is that proof enough? It’s in Superman 175. Go check it out. J’onn is pretty darned fast, and DD caught his punch, so we now truly know without a doubt, that Doomsday has legit super speed. Superman in a scene phases through his punches showing his superior speed, and even attacking him on multiple fronts before DD could react to hit him. So you brought up an excellent reference point from the start. Do we ignore this?

There's also this:

A fight that took....4 or 5 issues to complete, had large-scale destruction, the United Planets showing up, extended conversations, lots of action - and in comic terms, only took 10 minutes. The art may not support it, but it is happening at superspeed.

Then there is this:

No blurs, no anime style art to say it is at high speed - but it is clearly, based on the text, taking place at superspeed.

In short, just because it isn't drawn like an anime, doesn't mean it isn't at high speed. People get swayed by pretty pictures, and don't read the words.

Lmmfao

@Stoic, I think ODG is looking for fts like this...

https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight12-19.jpg

And this...

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF29.jpg

And this...

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_22.jpg

Thanks KM for the scans.

Originally posted by -Pr-
*****, you didn't even read my post. Don't try weighing in when you have no idea what's even being talked about.

Originally posted by Stoic
ODG, are you claiming that these characters can speed up enough to react to Superman nearly going blow for blow with him? It’s arguable, but that would be the absolute only way for that to actually be possible. We know that in a foot race, Superman would lap the Hulk in a race around the planet many many times. This attributes greatly to the literal differences in the rate of speed that they can do things like throw punches, or again to run. If we were to look at this with any amount of logic, we would have to take these things into consideration. Durability at this point is questionable, as well as strength if we are to consider both sides. But time travel is something that would slip through their fingers. He never has to allow them the opportunity to strike him because at super speed, he is always far ahead of them because of the way that time operates. He simply perceives things far faster than they do, or we would have to ignore his massive speed level in comparison to his.

Why do you want me to show you things that you already know exist? I am considering their powers. Can Thor bend time in order to keep up with Superman in a fight? If so, why is he being tagged by everyone? Superman gets tagged, but we have also seen that he has a defense against being tagged. He simply vibrates through it. I’ve never seen Thor or the Hulk, and Iron Man do this.

I’ve seen Tony have his armor removed piece by piece by FTL characters, so he has nothing either. Unless it’s when he transcended to cosmic. It’s just the way that it is if counting gear and the full capabilities being cited. Superman is fast enough to hurt them at a greater rate than they can hurt him. You ever watch a boxing match? MMA style fight? Same thing here.

I can point out that Superman and possibly Thor may be able to bend time with Mjolnir, but then again evidence points to the contrary. Gladiator for example should almost always beat Thor, but they’ve turned off the invulnerability and replaced it with guesstimates.

Unless it is being claimed that Superman did not have the power to hurt them? Can this be proven. It is already canon and official that Superman is far faster than these guys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also this:

A fight that took....4 or 5 issues to complete, had large-scale destruction, the United Planets showing up, extended conversations, lots of action - and in comic terms, only took 10 minutes. The art may not support it, but it is happening at superspeed.

Then there is this:

No blurs, no anime style art to say it is at high speed - but it is clearly, based on the text, taking place at superspeed.

In short, just because it isn't drawn like an anime, doesn't mean it isn't at high speed. People get swayed by pretty pictures, and don't read the words.

Agreed, and there is no realistic way around it. Imagine getting your shit torn apart without knowing what, or who was doing it. Or, just plainly getting KO’d because you had no way of tensing up defensively in time to avoid sleepy time.

It comes down to if you are willing to admit that Superman has legit speed. Or, remain blissfully ignorant on the subject.

Originally posted by carver9
Lmmfao

Wow, you really don’t get it. Superman is ruthlessly pissed per OP. Abhi’s first response should have ended this entire farce right there.

Imagine a guy that is faster than Northstar, and billions of times stronger, more durable, and more powerful, hitting Thor, or Hulk with multiple punches. Superman actually has scenes that show him in the process of throwing multiple punches at once. I just can not remember the book, but it does exist. However with Superman 175 being used as evidence, it is all that is needed.

Originally posted by ODG
So given the years that have passed, I had considered undoing the ignore function on the few active posters that remain on my ignore list...

I'd ask that the community forgive my non-responses to certain posters.

Originally posted by carver9
It's understandable tbh

Originally posted by Stoic
ODG, are you claiming that these characters can speed up enough to react to Superman nearly going blow for blow with him?

Granted, I'm not saying Thor would handle them in exactly the same way. Because when you keep referring to Superman speedblitzing Doomsday Rex in Superman #175, well... Doomsday Rex looks like he's completely no-selling the speedblitz:

I mean, there's a reason I asked you to maybe reread that fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Imagine a guy that is faster than Northstar, and billions of times stronger, more durable, and more powerful, hitting Thor, or Hulk with multiple punches. Superman actually has scenes that show him in the process of throwing multiple punches at once. I just can not remember the book, but it does exist. However with Superman 175 being used as evidence, it is all that is needed.

Originally posted by ODG
I don't recall saying anything like that. I'm also not sure how this non sequitur contributes to answering the original question I posed to you. I assume this is unintentional but your responses strike me as deflections (at best) or strawmans (at worst). Maybe if I re-recontextualize my initial posts to you: I might argue that Thor would handle Superman's speedblitzes in a similar manner to the way Thor-level opponents have handled them on-panel. And I will consider on-panel citations to these speedblitzes.

Granted, I'm not saying Thor would handle them in exactly the same way. Because when you keep referring to Superman speedblitzing Doomsday Rex in Superman #175, well... Doomsday Rex looks like he's completely no-selling the speedblitz:

I mean, there's a reason I asked you to maybe reread that fight. Methinks thou protest too much. If you stick to on-panel evidence rather than preconceived notions/extrapolations, you might find less reason to fuss about it. I can explain further but we don't have to if you're not interested.

More reason Doomsday Rex would stomp Thor too.